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| Guest5940 |
Posted - 02/07/2011 : 21:43:10
Rumors flying that spezza has been traded to Edmonton for Hemsky and Penner |
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| Mario 66 |
Posted - 02/12/2011 : 12:11:44
"Your point about Tim Thomas really belies a lack of hockey knowledge because everybody knows that goalies take the longest to develop, then defencemen, then forwards"
Belie means disprove or contradict i believe the word you where looking for was emphasizes, highlights or stresses a lack of hockey knowledge but solid effort with the english language. K-I-S-S
Goales such as
Fleury, Vokoun, Ward, Lundqvist, Quick, Luongo, Mason, Price, Hiller, Miller, Rinne, Backstrom, Brodeur........ I could continue going on all these elite level goalies that broke into the league that have been says since a ung age but my little known hockey knowledge and vocabulary do not allow me to continue on.
Mentally goalies develop late and rely more on awareness & hockey iq as they age, talent wise they reduce with age as they are typically less agile with the exception of Thomas but thank you old wise guest. Typically, it is defensman who blossom late and why is this?? There are usually those who excel in the offensive or defensive zone very rarely a complete package d coming into the nhl.The D must improve the other half of their game along with adjusting to the speed at the nhl level and adapting to the array of moves that high level forwards possess in their arsenal.
Your point about Locke may very well be correct and only time will tell but if you read through the entire post you would see i said Jared Cowen is an option to. Leading scorer in the AHL is insignificant right? Would that not mean you are the best offensive player in north america's second highest level of hockey which means surely you possess the skill set to play at the nhl level instead teams feel it is more significant to have guys like Carcillo, Cooke, Avery, Orr, who all bring an element to the game but little to increase the flow & skill set of the game??
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| Guest7936 |
Posted - 02/12/2011 : 11:28:00
Let me add a little specificity for him. Being a ppg player in the ahl is good if you are 18. If you are 26 or 27 and still playing in the ahl, there is a reason for that. Your point about Tim Thomas really belies a lack of hockey knowledge because everybody knows that goalies take the longest to develop, then defencemen, then forwards. Forwards are usually at their career peak around 26 or 27. So if your telling me you have a guy that is 26 or 27 and still playing in the ahl, that is a career ahler and, while he might be able to break the fourth line on an nhl team, is not exactly gold.
The oilers probably should have been able to get getzlaf or perry or something for pronger, but K-lowe is a dunce. But if you want to talk about the oilers getting getzlaf, they could have drafted him or a host of other allstars in 2003. Instead they opted to trade down and got pouliot and jacques. Now thats quality scouting. |
| Mario 66 |
Posted - 02/12/2011 : 08:45:28
Is there a point to that guest?? You may want to add a little specificity to establish or clearify your point or are you simply saying he is second in point for the sake of it?
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| Guest9794 |
Posted - 02/12/2011 : 08:38:01
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Originally posted by Mario 66
Odin i'd love to know your depth of knowledge on Corey Locke that makes him worth a bag of pucks? He's 26 or 27 leads the AHL in points, has been a ppg guy at the AHL level not to mention destroyed jr's. By no means is he worth Hemsky or Penner alone but as a throw in guy that would give the oilers a legitimate 3rd line centre and gives them the ability to move either Gagner or Cogliano for more prospects i hardly see the issue. Way to pick out a single line out of a thread as i have also mentioned Jared Cowen to move but i guess because he's still in the minors he's worth a bag of popcorn right?
So is Tim Thomas worth a bag of pucks as well?? Guy was a complete unknow tell his early 30's and now is arguably one of the best goalies in the world.
Thanks for adding some real depth to this thread with your plethora of knowledge o sorry i mean't ignorance
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Look at Alex Giroux on the oilers. I believe he is second in the AHL for scoring but look where that got him on the Oilers.. |
| Mario 66 |
Posted - 02/12/2011 : 06:21:11
Odin i'd love to know your depth of knowledge on Corey Locke that makes him worth a bag of pucks? He's 26 or 27 leads the AHL in points, has been a ppg guy at the AHL level not to mention destroyed jr's. By no means is he worth Hemsky or Penner alone but as a throw in guy that would give the oilers a legitimate 3rd line centre and gives them the ability to move either Gagner or Cogliano for more prospects i hardly see the issue. Way to pick out a single line out of a thread as i have also mentioned Jared Cowen to move but i guess because he's still in the minors he's worth a bag of popcorn right?
So is Tim Thomas worth a bag of pucks as well?? Guy was a complete unknow tell his early 30's and now is arguably one of the best goalies in the world.
Thanks for adding some real depth to this thread with your plethora of knowledge o sorry i mean't ignorance
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| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/11/2011 : 22:49:23
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getlzaf was 19th overall in 03, lupul was 7th overall in 02. Getzlaf's highest point total was 39 points at that point in his career
The 2003 draft year is widely regarded as one of the deepest NHL draft years, ever. MA Fleury, Eric Staal, Horton, Vanek, Phaneuf, Jeff Carter, Dustin Brown, Seabrook, Parise, Getzlaf, Burns, Kesler, Mike Richards, Corey Perry, all in the first round. Hell, even the second round still produced Loui Eriksson, Shea Weber, Corey Crawford, Backes, Patrice Bergeron. Most players taken in that first round were projected to become stars, at least solid NHL players - and true enough, every single player selected in that first round is in the NHL today.
I think it safe to say that after year 1 with ANA, it was clear that Getzlaf was going to be big. I don't think ANA would ever have entertained trading him away for Pronger. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/11/2011 : 22:40:32
sahis....in all fairness, because a guy is picked higher doesn't mean a thing. Some drafts are deeper than others, sometimes players develop at different rates, sometimes teams are high on guys regardless of draft position and most importanly, sometimes a guy's size and position comes into play too. They knew what they had in both Lupul and Getzlaf and IMO, there's no way in the world the Oilers had a shot at Getzlaf in that deal!!!
The reason FER ripped you a new one, is because you come on here spewing crap that "the Oilers could have gotten Getzlaf instead of Lupul" which, unless you prove otherwise, is FAAAAAR from the truth!!! It's not up to us to prove you wrong, it's up to you to back up your claim with some facts.
I won't wait around for this proof..... |
| sahis34 |
Posted - 02/11/2011 : 22:04:21
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Getzlaf was as good a prospect as lupul in 2006. The ducks would have traded him for pronger then.
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getlzaf was 19th overall in 03, lupul was 7th overall in 02. Getzlaf's highest point total was 39 points at that point in his career
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| sahis34 |
Posted - 02/11/2011 : 21:57:40
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Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
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Originally posted by sahis34
the oilers could of got getzlaf in the pronger trade back in 06, the oilers wanted lupul more though for some reason. Don't argue beans
Go OILERS Go!!!
Do you think before you type?
Do you have some sort of inside source with that information or is that just 'what the voices said'.
Between this ridiculous statement and the whole 'Thornton hit him in the neck' gobbelydegook you spouted before, I am starting to wonder if it isn't time they limited your computer time at the institution you are inhabiting.
I realize I am probably infringing on forum rules here, but for cryin' out loud, I feel my intelligence being insulted when I read your silliness, so I figure we are both guilty!
Thank goodness it's a forum and not a live conversation, I'm not sure how you could possibly speak as from your rhetoric, you talk and sit on the same bodypart!
Getzlaf was as good a prospect as lupul in 2006. The ducks would have traded him for pronger then.
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| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 02/11/2011 : 20:36:54
quote:
Originally posted by sahis34
the oilers could of got getzlaf in the pronger trade back in 06, the oilers wanted lupul more though for some reason. Don't argue beans
Go OILERS Go!!!
Do you think before you type?
Do you have some sort of inside source with that information or is that just 'what the voices said'.
Between this ridiculous statement and the whole 'Thornton hit him in the neck' gobbelydegook you spouted before, I am starting to wonder if it isn't time they limited your computer time at the institution you are inhabiting.
I realize I am probably infringing on forum rules here, but for cryin' out loud, I feel my intelligence being insulted when I read your silliness, so I figure we are both guilty!
Thank goodness it's a forum and not a live conversation, I'm not sure how you could possibly speak as from your rhetoric, you talk and sit on the same bodypart! |
| sahis34 |
Posted - 02/11/2011 : 18:03:33
the oilers could of got getzlaf in the pronger trade back in 06, the oilers wanted lupul more though for some reason. Don't argue beans
Go OILERS Go!!! |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/11/2011 : 12:31:11
My bad  I read Beans post where he said Getzlaf is younger, and then just below it saw "Getzlaf & Hemsky are the same age..." quote...and yeah, i guess i should of read it a bit closer... |
| Canucks Man |
Posted - 02/11/2011 : 12:06:56
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Originally posted by ryan93
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Originally posted by Guest8492
Spezza and Hemsky are the same age...
Spezza was born in '83, Getzlaf in '85.
Not even worth discussing, nothing against Spezza, but no GM in their right mind would trade Getzlaf for him.
You should reread the post you quoted, Getzlafs name isn't in it.
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| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/11/2011 : 11:51:53
quote:
Originally posted by Guest8492
Spezza and Hemsky are the same age...
Spezza was born in '83, Getzlaf in '85.
Not even worth discussing, nothing against Spezza, but no GM in their right mind would trade Getzlaf for him. |
| Odin |
Posted - 02/11/2011 : 10:05:46
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Originally posted by Guest4278
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Originally posted by Beans15
Getzlaf is simply a better player than Spezza. If production is equal, tell me who is bigger, stronger, faster, better defensively, a winner, and younger??
Futher pulling a Beans?? Nice. All I was saying is that player wise, Hemsky and Penner could be considered a 'poor man's' Savard and Kessel. It was to state that (some)people in the east have little to no respect for the players in the west.
I agree. I don't even know how you can put these players in the same class. But as they say: turnabout is fair play. If you want to compare Hemsky and Penner to Savard and Kessel ( who I would take hands down and so would most GM's I suspect) Than Spezza and his 497 points in 499 games and career +67 is definitely comparable to Getzlaf's 377 points in 404 games and career +69. They have both had talented linemates, and while Getzlaf is probably better defensively, Spezza is finally making some strides in that direction.
But you don't consider Spezza a "poor man's" Getzlaf? Currently Spezza is injured on a stinky team but he is doing almost everything when he is playing this year. PK, PP, important offensive and defensive draws (and very good at it too even with a bad shoulder). Maybe you are not giving Spezza enough of his due as much as you are willing to give Hemsky and Penner.
Comparing Hemsky and Penner are the poor man's version of a healthy Savard and Kessel is similar comparing Spezza to Getzlaf. BTW I personally think Getzlaf is a better player than Spezza just as I think a healthy Savard and Kessel are that much better than Hemsky and Penner. No disrespecting players from any coast.
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| Odin |
Posted - 02/11/2011 : 09:52:32
quote:
Originally posted by Mario 66
I dont see that trade happening. If Edmonton can get Spezza with Corey Locke for Penner & Hemsky the rumblings may get a little louder but i dont forsee much coming of this proposal
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Geez, you can have Corey Locke for a bag of pucks. Not sure why you would want a perrenial AHLer. |
| Guest9885 |
Posted - 02/11/2011 : 08:08:27
How did Getzlaf get involved? That's like saying those two guys for for Datsyuk or Brad Richards. Not going to happen. Ever. Doesn't matter now because they did the Fisher deal so I reckon the media and the fans will wait another 5 losses before they start calling for the next, "big move." |
| Guest4278 |
Posted - 02/10/2011 : 19:27:40
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Getzlaf is simply a better player than Spezza. If production is equal, tell me who is bigger, stronger, faster, better defensively, a winner, and younger??
Futher pulling a Beans?? Nice. All I was saying is that player wise, Hemsky and Penner could be considered a 'poor man's' Savard and Kessel. It was to state that (some)people in the east have little to no respect for the players in the west.
But you don't consider Spezza a "poor man's" Getzlaf? Currently Spezza is injured on a stinky team but he is doing almost everything when he is playing this year. PK, PP, important offensive and defensive draws (and very good at it too even with a bad shoulder). Maybe you are not giving Spezza enough of his due as much as you are willing to give Hemsky and Penner.
Comparing Hemsky and Penner are the poor man's version of a healthy Savard and Kessel is similar comparing Spezza to Getzlaf. BTW I personally think Getzlaf is a better player than Spezza just as I think a healthy Savard and Kessel are that much better than Hemsky and Penner. No disrespecting players from any coast. |
| Guest8492 |
Posted - 02/10/2011 : 14:29:28
Spezza and Hemsky are the same age...
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Originally posted by Guest4844
Those are interesting rumours. I'm a big fan of both teams.
But I don't think that's a good trade for either team - Edmonton in particular. Hemsky is 25 years old and nearly on a level with spezza. I know that penner's contract is done at the end of the year; his name has been floating around trade circles quite a bit. But I think he constitutes more than enough compensation as a throw in for a trade.
The main point is that both players - spezza and hemsky - have both been hobbled by injuries in their careers and especially in the last two years. It would be a gamble for either team to trade away it's franchise player for a potentially 45 point/40 game hefty contract player. Can we expect more from either of these players in the years to come?
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| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/10/2011 : 13:53:54
quote:
Originally posted by Guest6135
why would anybody waive their NTC to go to edmonton????
Believe it or not, to some, Edmonton is actually livable! Look at the Gretzky era, many great players seemed to survive there, no?
Certain players, of certain age, would prob see Edm as a cup contender in the next 3-5 years and might wanna be a part of it! |
| Guest6135 |
Posted - 02/10/2011 : 12:43:45
why would anybody waive their NTC to go to edmonton????
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/10/2011 : 08:05:59
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4350
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Originally posted by Pasty7
[I was going to say this Spezza and Geztlaf are to diffrent classes of players sure point production is comparable but Geztlaf as you said i would agree is a top 5 player in the NHL or damn close, Geztlaf uses his size better and seems to be a stronger competitor (Gold medal Stanley cup)
I think that it is relevant comparo since Beans was substituting Savard and Kessel for Hemsky and Penner.
Statistically Spezza and Getzlaf are very similar. Don't forget that Getzlaf has some very talented linemates in Perry and Ryan (recently) just like Spezza had Alfie and Heatley.
Further pulling a Beans, I'll say ignore the stronger competition thing like he did with "ithrow out the salary" bit.
Getzlaf is simply a better player than Spezza. If production is equal, tell me who is bigger, stronger, faster, better defensively, a winner, and younger??
Futher pulling a Beans?? Nice. All I was saying is that player wise, Hemsky and Penner could be considered a 'poor man's' Savard and Kessel. It was to state that (some)people in the east have little to no respect for the players in the west. |
| Guest4350 |
Posted - 02/10/2011 : 06:29:29
quote:
Originally posted by Pasty7
[I was going to say this Spezza and Geztlaf are to diffrent classes of players sure point production is comparable but Geztlaf as you said i would agree is a top 5 player in the NHL or damn close, Geztlaf uses his size better and seems to be a stronger competitor (Gold medal Stanley cup)
I think that it is relevant comparo since Beans was substituting Savard and Kessel for Hemsky and Penner.
Statistically Spezza and Getzlaf are very similar. Don't forget that Getzlaf has some very talented linemates in Perry and Ryan (recently) just like Spezza had Alfie and Heatley.
Further pulling a Beans, I'll say ignore the stronger competition thing like he did with "ithrow out the salary" bit. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 22:24:14
quote:
Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
Guest4278,
I would hope you're not implying that Getzlaf and Spezza are comparable?
Getzlaf is a player any team would trade the farm for, period.
Spezza is offensively gifted when matched with suitable linemates, but Getzlaf is almost the complete package, IMO.
I would put him top 5, if looking to acquire someone to build a team with, Crosby, Ovie, Mike Richards and Toews being the others.
Would Hemsky and Penner be worth that? Abso'frickin'lutely!!, but, it is too much for Spezza, as it sits right now. As another poster pointed out, he is on a decline for whatever reason.
I was going to say this Spezza and Geztlaf are to diffrent classes of players sure point production is comparable but Geztlaf as you said i would agree is a top 5 player in the NHL or damn close, Geztlaf uses his size better and seems to be a stronger competitor (Gold medal Stanley cup)
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 22:12:03
Guest4278,
I would hope you're not implying that Getzlaf and Spezza are comparable?
Getzlaf is a player any team would trade the farm for, period.
Spezza is offensively gifted when matched with suitable linemates, but Getzlaf is almost the complete package, IMO.
I would put him top 5, if looking to acquire someone to build a team with, Crosby, Ovie, Mike Richards and Toews being the others.
Would Hemsky and Penner be worth that? Abso'frickin'lutely!!, but, it is too much for Spezza, as it sits right now. As another poster pointed out, he is on a decline for whatever reason. |
| sahis34 |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 22:00:40
Nicely avoided my question Beans. Hemsky and Penner for Getzlaf. Would you do it?
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Anaheim wouldn't |
| Guest4278 |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 21:51:28
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Throw the salaries out the window for a second. Consider that Savard and Kessel have one more season left each. Do you make the trade??
As another guest indicated how can you make a trade without cap and salary implications?
Nicely avoided my question Beans. Hemsky and Penner for Getzlaf. Would you do it?
As for Spezza's $7M deal, The chances of a top 3 pick with that kind of historical performance tanking a la Horcoff is slim. Even Yashin (which is the only one I can remember in recent years) tanking was still a 50pts player. Spezza is not a flash in the pan. |
| Guest5958 |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 12:34:56
Hemsky has been putting up near ppg numbers for years playing with nobody on an Edmonton team that, at the best of times, was a playoff bubble team. Penner is coming off the best year of his career (if memory serves, he was second in the league in scoring at one point about halfway through the year), a year which he played with nobody (Hemsky was injured basically all year) on the worst team in the league. Spezza put up 3 90-ish point years playing with 2 future hall of famers on a team that was often in the running for top seed in the East. In the three years since, after one of his HOF linemates departed, his numbers have decreased steadily each year.
Hemsky is a great player that has had the misfortune of playing in Edmonton his whole career and has picked up an injury tendency. Spezza is a great player who has been boosted by great linemates and also has something of an injury problem. Penner is a solid top 6 forward who seems to be coming into his own. So, in my view, we have a great injury-prone player being traded for a great injury-prone player and a solid top 6 forward. Sounds like a definite lose for Edmonton.
Oh, and I'm not sure the longterm "reasonable cost" 7 mil contract is necessarily a plus, seeing as Spezza's numbers have been decreasing as his proclivity for injuries has been increasing. If Hemsky's injury problems continue next year, you can get him off the books or resign him at a reduced contract in light of the injuries. If Spezza's decline/injuries continue, Edmonton would be stuck with another unmovable Horcoff or Souray-esque contract for four more years. Not exactly ideal. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 09:16:06
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4178
I'll add one more thing which (to me) makes the deal favourable to Edmonton. The Oilers are terrible at face-offs – probably the worst in the league – and Spezza is very good in the face-off circle (57%). The only Oiler above 50% is the injured Gilbert Brule (53%). Horcoff (49%) is okay, but Gagner (42%) and Cogliano (41%) are atrocious. Winning face-offs is just another thing Spezza brings to the table, something the Oilers clearly need.
Interesting point. I read in the paper yesterday that Spezza was a little worried about taking faceoffs the other night (due to coming off the shoulder injury) and that in his opinion, the reason the Canucks are so good on faceoffs is that Malhotra is a lefty and Kesler a righty and therefore they seldom have to take important draws on their weak side. He then went out and won more than he lost vs our best two (Kes/Malhotra). I don't remember the stats, but he beat them both overall. |
| Guest4178 |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 08:55:19
If "both get bad deals," one might argue that both teams already have bad deals with the players involved in this trade rumour?
I don't think you can consider a trade rumour, and not consider the contracts. Players' contracts matter when GM's consider or make trades.
By adding more hypotheticals, it starts to sound like "what if we trade these two players for this player, but disregard how much they're paid or the length of their contracts." You could do this forever (bringing in more exceptions or provisions), but to me it's enough already that this trade is just a rumour, so to consider it at face value is enough already.
Once again, this is a rumoured deal, but it is an interesting contemplation.
I'll add one more thing which (to me) makes the deal favourable to Edmonton. The Oilers are terrible at face-offs – probably the worst in the league – and Spezza is very good in the face-off circle (57%). The only Oiler above 50% is the injured Gilbert Brule (53%). Horcoff (49%) is okay, but Gagner (42%) and Cogliano (41%) are atrocious. Winning face-offs is just another thing Spezza brings to the table, something the Oilers clearly need.
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| Guest9885 |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 05:53:19
I think they both get bad deals. One gets an injury prone Spezza. The other gets an injury prone Hemsky and a not-such-a-wonderful-player Penner. Many people probably disagree but I say none of these are elite level players. All three are players who are pretty good when they play with great players. This is the kind of trade GMs make when they have nothing to deal and angry fans. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 22:24:52
quote:
Originally posted by Mario 66
Alex i think Spezza is a great player but with his recent track record with injuries by no means can you give up two top 6 forwards for a guy who may give you 50 games over the next two yrs. Talent wise he his hands down the best player in the trade. Combined though Hemsky & Penner bring more to the table then Spezza. Draft pick won't suffice for the oilers unless it is the sens top 5 (which is not happening) as they have enough of those and talented prospects waiting in the wings. The only way that trade may get done is if Locke, Cowen, or another one of the sens talents in the minors who is nhl ready comes along for the ride.
Time will tell but i do not see much happening on this front
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Guess our opinions differ. Yeah, Spezza's had some injuries, but so has Hemsky. Penner is a potental 30 goal man (let's not forget, he's only had one season of 30+ and that was playing on a line with Getzlaf and Perry!) and while maybe it's a little much to give up, with a draft pick thrown in (not next years #1), i'd be willing to take that chance if i were Edm and roll the dice with Spezza playing center for my young guns! But hey, maybe that's just me? |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 20:31:52
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4278
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Let me throw a little something out there, specifically to my friends in the east who are clearly so starved in seeing Oiler hockey they are completely delusional.
Do you trade a health Marc Savard and Phil Kessel for Jason Spezza???
As for your answer, no. Because both Savard and Kessel are signed to a longer term deal which is a bonus but at too high a cap hit. At ~$10M for the both, not a chance. Kessel is too high a pay grade and Savard is too long. I'll keep Spezza at $7M with increasing returns rather than diminishing ones.
Oh we can play this game. Would you trade Hemsky and Penner for Ryan Getzlaf? In real hockey not fantasy hockey world, would you do it? If I was the Oilers, h-e-double hockey sticks yeah.
Throw the salaries out the window for a second. Consider that Savard and Kessel have one more season left each. Do you make the trade??
I started hearing this Bogosian thing to Edmonton as well but I think it's a reach to say the least. The rumors are one of either Hemsky or Penner and Omark for Bogosian. I think it would be great for the Oilers and great for Omark as he is not really in the Hall/Eberle/Paajarvi plans and might find a better place in ATL. Still, Bogosian is a stud and I can't see ATL giving up on him so early. |
| Guest4278 |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 18:33:27
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Let me throw a little something out there, specifically to my friends in the east who are clearly so starved in seeing Oiler hockey they are completely delusional.
Do you trade a health Marc Savard and Phil Kessel for Jason Spezza???
As for your answer, no. Because both Savard and Kessel are signed to a longer term deal which is a bonus but at too high a cap hit. At ~$10M for the both, not a chance. Kessel is too high a pay grade and Savard is too long. I'll keep Spezza at $7M with increasing returns rather than diminishing ones.
Oh we can play this game. Would you trade Hemsky and Penner for Ryan Getzlaf? In real hockey not fantasy hockey world, would you do it? If I was the Oilers, h-e-double hockey sticks yeah. |
| Guest5940 |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 18:32:28
How about Bogosian to edmonton? |
| Mario 66 |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 16:37:31
Alex i think Spezza is a great player but with his recent track record with injuries by no means can you give up two top 6 forwards for a guy who may give you 50 games over the next two yrs. Talent wise he his hands down the best player in the trade. Combined though Hemsky & Penner bring more to the table then Spezza. Draft pick won't suffice for the oilers unless it is the sens top 5 (which is not happening) as they have enough of those and talented prospects waiting in the wings. The only way that trade may get done is if Locke, Cowen, or another one of the sens talents in the minors who is nhl ready comes along for the ride.
Time will tell but i do not see much happening on this front
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| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 16:25:23
I don't think this deal is all that far off. I think a draft pick with Spezza may even do the trick, of course, with Ott stinking it up, it wouldn't be their first next year. Maybe their 2nd? If i'm Edm, i'd do this unless they can get a better deal or deals elsewhere for Penner and Hemsky.
If i were Edm, i'd be willing to roll the dice on Spezza getting new life with some of the young stud wingers in the Oilers organization! |
| Mario 66 |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 16:18:03
Spezza for the other two will not happen
I think the only way you get Beans to maybe agree on this one is throw Jared Cowen and Spezza for the other two and even then he may still think the oilers are giving up to much which is not far fetched as both Hemsky & Penner are legitimate nhl calibre players neither is a disposable guy on any team.
Beans the only reason i claim you may take this is due to the fact you have always said you would like the oilers to have a big skilled centreman (spezza or maybe coutourier in a cpl months) and Cowen would give you a young talented defenseman to go along with the young core the oil is developing.
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| Awesome One |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 15:46:38
I agree with Beans but would you think that putting in Phillips (he's been in some rumors lately) and say a second round pick would even things out?
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 15:37:31
Let me throw a little something out there, specifically to my friends in the east who are clearly so starved in seeing Oiler hockey they are completely delusional.
Do you trade a health Marc Savard and Phil Kessel for Jason Spezza???
I would suggest that most if not every one of you say an emphatic no.
Now, I suggest looking at production of Kessel and Savard to Hemsky and Penner and then come back and try to support your argument. With the exception of Savard having a half a step on Hemsky and Penner being 5 years older than Kessel, the deal is very comparable when looking at the product on the ice.
Hemsky AND Penner is too much. Either player and a top teir prospect is a lot more reasonable. Let's not forget that Spezza is on pace for less than 40 pts this season and had less than 70 points last season. Spezza has also not played more than 80 games in a season more than twice.
Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan of Spezza and have defended him against some on this site. However, Spezza playing with Heatley is clearly a different player than Spezza with just about anyone else they have put with him. He is not worth 2 top 6 forwards, one of them being a 1st line player on most teams in the NHL today.
It\s simply too much. |
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