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Guest5940
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 Posted - 02/07/2011 : 21:43:10
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Rumors flying that spezza has been traded to Edmonton for Hemsky and Penner
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nuxfan
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Posted - 02/07/2011 : 22:28:20
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he was playing tonight vs VAN - if he'd been traded, or was going to be traded, they would have held him out I think. Still, could be in the works I suppose.
Spezza has a NTC - would he waive it for EDM? |
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Alex116
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Posted - 02/07/2011 : 22:43:18
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Originally posted by nuxfan
he was playing tonight vs VAN - if he'd been traded, or was going to be traded, they would have held him out I think. Still, could be in the works I suppose.
Spezza has a NTC - would he waive it for EDM?
I really think he would, and i think he'd be wise to! Spezza's still relatively young and has a lot of hockey left in him! Wouldn't you like to have Hall/Paarjarvi/Eberle as potential teammates / linemates?? I say this deal (or something very close) gets done before the weekend! |
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 04:27:50
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Boy, Ottawa really wants to ship their quality forwards to Edmonton . . . first they tried to dish Heatley there, now Spezza apparently?
Hemsky and Penner is a very decent return . . . but with Spezza's high end production, a good trade for both teams.
That's why it probably won't happen, lol 
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 05:00:52
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Those are interesting rumours. I'm a big fan of both teams.
But I don't think that's a good trade for either team - Edmonton in particular. Hemsky is 25 years old and nearly on a level with spezza. I know that penner's contract is done at the end of the year; his name has been floating around trade circles quite a bit. But I think he constitutes more than enough compensation as a throw in for a trade.
The main point is that both players - spezza and hemsky - have both been hobbled by injuries in their careers and especially in the last two years. It would be a gamble for either team to trade away it's franchise player for a potentially 45 point/40 game hefty contract player. Can we expect more from either of these players in the years to come? |
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ryan93
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 09:19:45
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Originally posted by Guest4844
Those are interesting rumours. I'm a big fan of both teams.
But I don't think that's a good trade for either team - Edmonton in particular. Hemsky is 25 years old and nearly on a level with spezza. I know that penner's contract is done at the end of the year; his name has been floating around trade circles quite a bit. But I think he constitutes more than enough compensation as a throw in for a trade.
The main point is that both players - spezza and hemsky - have both been hobbled by injuries in their careers and especially in the last two years. It would be a gamble for either team to trade away it's franchise player for a potentially 45 point/40 game hefty contract player. Can we expect more from either of these players in the years to come?
Hemsky is actually 27 years old, and Penner's contract doesn't expire after this season. Both Penner & Hemsky are signed until the end of the 2011/12 season. |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 09:54:28
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Originally posted by ryan93
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Originally posted by Guest4844
Those are interesting rumours. I'm a big fan of both teams.
But I don't think that's a good trade for either team - Edmonton in particular. Hemsky is 25 years old and nearly on a level with spezza. I know that penner's contract is done at the end of the year; his name has been floating around trade circles quite a bit. But I think he constitutes more than enough compensation as a throw in for a trade.
The main point is that both players - spezza and hemsky - have both been hobbled by injuries in their careers and especially in the last two years. It would be a gamble for either team to trade away it's franchise player for a potentially 45 point/40 game hefty contract player. Can we expect more from either of these players in the years to come?
Hemsky is actually 27 years old, and Penner's contract doesn't expire after this season. Both Penner & Hemsky are signed until the end of the 2011/12 season.
and Spezza's numbers career are far above Hemsky's
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Guest4446
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 09:57:13
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Oilearl
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 09:59:44
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| Not sure I like this trade either. I haven't heard any rumblings on this so was surprised to read it? Having said that sometimes a change is good. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 10:04:12
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I think Penner and Hemsky is too much for Spezza. Penner is a legitimate 30 goal guy and although limited by injuries, Hemsky has been a PPG guy when healthy. I think a deal for either Penner OR Hemsky with a solid prospect (like Hamilton or Omarra) would be more equitable for both teams. Ottawa wants to go in a different direction so adding either player from the Oilers would be a $2 million drop in cap. The Oilers painfully need a #1 centre to build the kids around. But moving both Hemsky and Penner to Ottawa will actually add $1-2 million to Ottawa's cap this season and next season and they will then have to sign both in 2 off seasons from now. It just doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
I just think both Hemsky and Penner is too much for Spezza. Also, I can't find a single rumor that discusses this anywhere. Not on any blogs, not on and puckdaddy or even that meatball who says everyone is getting traded for everyone else. There is a story that discusses trading one of the two from Sun media about a week ago, but that's it.
Is this actually a rumor or is this like the Weber to Vancouver crap. One guy out there that says something will happen and a bunch of sheep jumping on board hoping it happens?? |
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 11:17:41
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Interesting opinion Beans. I can imagine a lot of people think as you do.
But I always go by the maxim of what is the player's ceiling, and which players is the best - and that is a good indicator of who the winner of a trade is (unless you grossly overpay for one superstar, as has been done for Lindros, Forsberg, etc).
Hemsky is a 70 point player who has started to become injury prone. Penner has scored 30 goals (last year) and I suppose is a 60 point guy at this point.
Spezza has gotten 90+ points in the NHL, admittedly on what was one of the best lines in the NHL at the time, so take from that what you will (played with great talent). Still, he should be about a point per game player, and more if he has good quality linemates.
If he stays away from injuries . . . I'd say I take Spezza over the duo of Hemsky and Penner. But like I said, it's close, and in my mind, a pretty fair trade all things being equal.
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Mario 66
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 12:20:10
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I dont see that trade happening. If Edmonton can get Spezza with Corey Locke for Penner & Hemsky the rumblings may get a little louder but i dont forsee much coming of this proposal
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Guest4350
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 13:46:02
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Originally posted by Guest5940
Rumors flying that spezza has been traded to Edmonton for Hemsky and Penner
Fantasy hockey - Ottawa gets the better deal. Hemsky and Penner out produces Spezza.
In real world hockey. Edmonton wins the deal. Not only is this better cap management but they get a bonafide #1 centre and the best player of the deal. In real world hockey Spezza would have to come with an over inflated salary player (Hello Kovalev or Gonchar) and Edmonton would give up a non-NHL prospect or a #1 pick next year.
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Guest4178
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 14:35:56
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This appears to be a rumour, but assuming the deal was/is real, I would do the deal if I'm Edmonton. (And for reasons stated by Slozo and Guest4350.)
Spezza is locked up until the end of the 2014-2015 season, and his best years could be ahead of him. (And at a reasonable cost of $7 million per season.) Hemsky and Penner are both UFA's at the end of next season, so they could be gone with nothing gained in return. (And if they have their best years ahead of them, those years could very well not be with the Oilers.)
Hemsky is not quite, as Beans asserts, a PPG player, but he's reasonably close. Penner has 199 points in 343 NHL games, so he's a long way from being a PPG player. (And no one is suggesting otherwise.) Hemsky's folly is that he is injury-prone, and for a seemingly intelligent hockey player, he makes too many dumb moves on the ice. Penner rarely uses his size, and his effort is inconsistent. I know big players tend to look slower on the ice, but no one saunters on the forecheck like Penner.
Admittedly, I see more Oilers games than Senators games, but every time I see Spezza play, he looks impressive. He is a legitimate PPG player (and in the playoffs too), and his effort is always solid.
Notwithstanding that I would trade Hemsky and Penner for Spezza (if I'm Edmonton), I think a case could be made that the rumoured trade could be close to a draw. One thing for certain though – the Oilers need to consider players like Hemsky and Penner as diminishing assets. If they get into the middle of next season, and these players remain unsigned, their trade value decreases. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 15:28:26
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| legitimate #1 centres don't grow on trees. If I'm OTT, and I do this deal, who do I see filling my #1 centre roll going forward? Is Fisher next in line? |
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 15:37:31
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Let me throw a little something out there, specifically to my friends in the east who are clearly so starved in seeing Oiler hockey they are completely delusional.
Do you trade a health Marc Savard and Phil Kessel for Jason Spezza???
I would suggest that most if not every one of you say an emphatic no.
Now, I suggest looking at production of Kessel and Savard to Hemsky and Penner and then come back and try to support your argument. With the exception of Savard having a half a step on Hemsky and Penner being 5 years older than Kessel, the deal is very comparable when looking at the product on the ice.
Hemsky AND Penner is too much. Either player and a top teir prospect is a lot more reasonable. Let's not forget that Spezza is on pace for less than 40 pts this season and had less than 70 points last season. Spezza has also not played more than 80 games in a season more than twice.
Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan of Spezza and have defended him against some on this site. However, Spezza playing with Heatley is clearly a different player than Spezza with just about anyone else they have put with him. He is not worth 2 top 6 forwards, one of them being a 1st line player on most teams in the NHL today.
It\s simply too much. |
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Awesome One
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 15:46:38
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I agree with Beans but would you think that putting in Phillips (he's been in some rumors lately) and say a second round pick would even things out?
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Mario 66
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 16:18:03
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Spezza for the other two will not happen
I think the only way you get Beans to maybe agree on this one is throw Jared Cowen and Spezza for the other two and even then he may still think the oilers are giving up to much which is not far fetched as both Hemsky & Penner are legitimate nhl calibre players neither is a disposable guy on any team.
Beans the only reason i claim you may take this is due to the fact you have always said you would like the oilers to have a big skilled centreman (spezza or maybe coutourier in a cpl months) and Cowen would give you a young talented defenseman to go along with the young core the oil is developing.
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Alex116
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 16:25:23
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I don't think this deal is all that far off. I think a draft pick with Spezza may even do the trick, of course, with Ott stinking it up, it wouldn't be their first next year. Maybe their 2nd? If i'm Edm, i'd do this unless they can get a better deal or deals elsewhere for Penner and Hemsky.
If i were Edm, i'd be willing to roll the dice on Spezza getting new life with some of the young stud wingers in the Oilers organization! |
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Mario 66
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 16:37:31
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Alex i think Spezza is a great player but with his recent track record with injuries by no means can you give up two top 6 forwards for a guy who may give you 50 games over the next two yrs. Talent wise he his hands down the best player in the trade. Combined though Hemsky & Penner bring more to the table then Spezza. Draft pick won't suffice for the oilers unless it is the sens top 5 (which is not happening) as they have enough of those and talented prospects waiting in the wings. The only way that trade may get done is if Locke, Cowen, or another one of the sens talents in the minors who is nhl ready comes along for the ride.
Time will tell but i do not see much happening on this front
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Guest5940
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 18:32:28
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 18:33:27
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Originally posted by Beans15
Let me throw a little something out there, specifically to my friends in the east who are clearly so starved in seeing Oiler hockey they are completely delusional.
Do you trade a health Marc Savard and Phil Kessel for Jason Spezza???
As for your answer, no. Because both Savard and Kessel are signed to a longer term deal which is a bonus but at too high a cap hit. At ~$10M for the both, not a chance. Kessel is too high a pay grade and Savard is too long. I'll keep Spezza at $7M with increasing returns rather than diminishing ones.
Oh we can play this game. Would you trade Hemsky and Penner for Ryan Getzlaf? In real hockey not fantasy hockey world, would you do it? If I was the Oilers, h-e-double hockey sticks yeah. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 20:31:52
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Originally posted by Guest4278
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Originally posted by Beans15
Let me throw a little something out there, specifically to my friends in the east who are clearly so starved in seeing Oiler hockey they are completely delusional.
Do you trade a health Marc Savard and Phil Kessel for Jason Spezza???
As for your answer, no. Because both Savard and Kessel are signed to a longer term deal which is a bonus but at too high a cap hit. At ~$10M for the both, not a chance. Kessel is too high a pay grade and Savard is too long. I'll keep Spezza at $7M with increasing returns rather than diminishing ones.
Oh we can play this game. Would you trade Hemsky and Penner for Ryan Getzlaf? In real hockey not fantasy hockey world, would you do it? If I was the Oilers, h-e-double hockey sticks yeah.
Throw the salaries out the window for a second. Consider that Savard and Kessel have one more season left each. Do you make the trade??
I started hearing this Bogosian thing to Edmonton as well but I think it's a reach to say the least. The rumors are one of either Hemsky or Penner and Omark for Bogosian. I think it would be great for the Oilers and great for Omark as he is not really in the Hall/Eberle/Paajarvi plans and might find a better place in ATL. Still, Bogosian is a stud and I can't see ATL giving up on him so early. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 22:24:52
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Originally posted by Mario 66
Alex i think Spezza is a great player but with his recent track record with injuries by no means can you give up two top 6 forwards for a guy who may give you 50 games over the next two yrs. Talent wise he his hands down the best player in the trade. Combined though Hemsky & Penner bring more to the table then Spezza. Draft pick won't suffice for the oilers unless it is the sens top 5 (which is not happening) as they have enough of those and talented prospects waiting in the wings. The only way that trade may get done is if Locke, Cowen, or another one of the sens talents in the minors who is nhl ready comes along for the ride.
Time will tell but i do not see much happening on this front
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Guess our opinions differ. Yeah, Spezza's had some injuries, but so has Hemsky. Penner is a potental 30 goal man (let's not forget, he's only had one season of 30+ and that was playing on a line with Getzlaf and Perry!) and while maybe it's a little much to give up, with a draft pick thrown in (not next years #1), i'd be willing to take that chance if i were Edm and roll the dice with Spezza playing center for my young guns! But hey, maybe that's just me? |
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 05:53:19
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| I think they both get bad deals. One gets an injury prone Spezza. The other gets an injury prone Hemsky and a not-such-a-wonderful-player Penner. Many people probably disagree but I say none of these are elite level players. All three are players who are pretty good when they play with great players. This is the kind of trade GMs make when they have nothing to deal and angry fans. |
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Guest4178
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 08:55:19
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If "both get bad deals," one might argue that both teams already have bad deals with the players involved in this trade rumour?
I don't think you can consider a trade rumour, and not consider the contracts. Players' contracts matter when GM's consider or make trades.
By adding more hypotheticals, it starts to sound like "what if we trade these two players for this player, but disregard how much they're paid or the length of their contracts." You could do this forever (bringing in more exceptions or provisions), but to me it's enough already that this trade is just a rumour, so to consider it at face value is enough already.
Once again, this is a rumoured deal, but it is an interesting contemplation.
I'll add one more thing which (to me) makes the deal favourable to Edmonton. The Oilers are terrible at face-offs – probably the worst in the league – and Spezza is very good in the face-off circle (57%). The only Oiler above 50% is the injured Gilbert Brule (53%). Horcoff (49%) is okay, but Gagner (42%) and Cogliano (41%) are atrocious. Winning face-offs is just another thing Spezza brings to the table, something the Oilers clearly need.
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Alex116
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 09:16:06
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Originally posted by Guest4178
I'll add one more thing which (to me) makes the deal favourable to Edmonton. The Oilers are terrible at face-offs – probably the worst in the league – and Spezza is very good in the face-off circle (57%). The only Oiler above 50% is the injured Gilbert Brule (53%). Horcoff (49%) is okay, but Gagner (42%) and Cogliano (41%) are atrocious. Winning face-offs is just another thing Spezza brings to the table, something the Oilers clearly need.
Interesting point. I read in the paper yesterday that Spezza was a little worried about taking faceoffs the other night (due to coming off the shoulder injury) and that in his opinion, the reason the Canucks are so good on faceoffs is that Malhotra is a lefty and Kesler a righty and therefore they seldom have to take important draws on their weak side. He then went out and won more than he lost vs our best two (Kes/Malhotra). I don't remember the stats, but he beat them both overall. |
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 12:34:56
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Hemsky has been putting up near ppg numbers for years playing with nobody on an Edmonton team that, at the best of times, was a playoff bubble team. Penner is coming off the best year of his career (if memory serves, he was second in the league in scoring at one point about halfway through the year), a year which he played with nobody (Hemsky was injured basically all year) on the worst team in the league. Spezza put up 3 90-ish point years playing with 2 future hall of famers on a team that was often in the running for top seed in the East. In the three years since, after one of his HOF linemates departed, his numbers have decreased steadily each year.
Hemsky is a great player that has had the misfortune of playing in Edmonton his whole career and has picked up an injury tendency. Spezza is a great player who has been boosted by great linemates and also has something of an injury problem. Penner is a solid top 6 forward who seems to be coming into his own. So, in my view, we have a great injury-prone player being traded for a great injury-prone player and a solid top 6 forward. Sounds like a definite lose for Edmonton.
Oh, and I'm not sure the longterm "reasonable cost" 7 mil contract is necessarily a plus, seeing as Spezza's numbers have been decreasing as his proclivity for injuries has been increasing. If Hemsky's injury problems continue next year, you can get him off the books or resign him at a reduced contract in light of the injuries. If Spezza's decline/injuries continue, Edmonton would be stuck with another unmovable Horcoff or Souray-esque contract for four more years. Not exactly ideal. |
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 21:51:28
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Originally posted by Beans15
Throw the salaries out the window for a second. Consider that Savard and Kessel have one more season left each. Do you make the trade??
As another guest indicated how can you make a trade without cap and salary implications?
Nicely avoided my question Beans. Hemsky and Penner for Getzlaf. Would you do it?
As for Spezza's $7M deal, The chances of a top 3 pick with that kind of historical performance tanking a la Horcoff is slim. Even Yashin (which is the only one I can remember in recent years) tanking was still a 50pts player. Spezza is not a flash in the pan. |
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sahis34
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 22:00:40
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Nicely avoided my question Beans. Hemsky and Penner for Getzlaf. Would you do it?
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fat_elvis_rocked
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 22:12:03
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Guest4278,
I would hope you're not implying that Getzlaf and Spezza are comparable?
Getzlaf is a player any team would trade the farm for, period.
Spezza is offensively gifted when matched with suitable linemates, but Getzlaf is almost the complete package, IMO.
I would put him top 5, if looking to acquire someone to build a team with, Crosby, Ovie, Mike Richards and Toews being the others.
Would Hemsky and Penner be worth that? Abso'frickin'lutely!!, but, it is too much for Spezza, as it sits right now. As another poster pointed out, he is on a decline for whatever reason. |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 22:24:14
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Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
Guest4278,
I would hope you're not implying that Getzlaf and Spezza are comparable?
Getzlaf is a player any team would trade the farm for, period.
Spezza is offensively gifted when matched with suitable linemates, but Getzlaf is almost the complete package, IMO.
I would put him top 5, if looking to acquire someone to build a team with, Crosby, Ovie, Mike Richards and Toews being the others.
Would Hemsky and Penner be worth that? Abso'frickin'lutely!!, but, it is too much for Spezza, as it sits right now. As another poster pointed out, he is on a decline for whatever reason.
I was going to say this Spezza and Geztlaf are to diffrent classes of players sure point production is comparable but Geztlaf as you said i would agree is a top 5 player in the NHL or damn close, Geztlaf uses his size better and seems to be a stronger competitor (Gold medal Stanley cup)
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Guest4350
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 06:29:29
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Originally posted by Pasty7
[I was going to say this Spezza and Geztlaf are to diffrent classes of players sure point production is comparable but Geztlaf as you said i would agree is a top 5 player in the NHL or damn close, Geztlaf uses his size better and seems to be a stronger competitor (Gold medal Stanley cup)
I think that it is relevant comparo since Beans was substituting Savard and Kessel for Hemsky and Penner.
Statistically Spezza and Getzlaf are very similar. Don't forget that Getzlaf has some very talented linemates in Perry and Ryan (recently) just like Spezza had Alfie and Heatley.
Further pulling a Beans, I'll say ignore the stronger competition thing like he did with "ithrow out the salary" bit. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 08:05:59
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Originally posted by Guest4350
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Originally posted by Pasty7
[I was going to say this Spezza and Geztlaf are to diffrent classes of players sure point production is comparable but Geztlaf as you said i would agree is a top 5 player in the NHL or damn close, Geztlaf uses his size better and seems to be a stronger competitor (Gold medal Stanley cup)
I think that it is relevant comparo since Beans was substituting Savard and Kessel for Hemsky and Penner.
Statistically Spezza and Getzlaf are very similar. Don't forget that Getzlaf has some very talented linemates in Perry and Ryan (recently) just like Spezza had Alfie and Heatley.
Further pulling a Beans, I'll say ignore the stronger competition thing like he did with "ithrow out the salary" bit.
Getzlaf is simply a better player than Spezza. If production is equal, tell me who is bigger, stronger, faster, better defensively, a winner, and younger??
Futher pulling a Beans?? Nice. All I was saying is that player wise, Hemsky and Penner could be considered a 'poor man's' Savard and Kessel. It was to state that (some)people in the east have little to no respect for the players in the west. |
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 12:43:45
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why would anybody waive their NTC to go to edmonton????
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Alex116
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 13:53:54
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Originally posted by Guest6135
why would anybody waive their NTC to go to edmonton????
Believe it or not, to some, Edmonton is actually livable! Look at the Gretzky era, many great players seemed to survive there, no?
Certain players, of certain age, would prob see Edm as a cup contender in the next 3-5 years and might wanna be a part of it! |
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 14:29:28
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Spezza and Hemsky are the same age...
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Those are interesting rumours. I'm a big fan of both teams.
But I don't think that's a good trade for either team - Edmonton in particular. Hemsky is 25 years old and nearly on a level with spezza. I know that penner's contract is done at the end of the year; his name has been floating around trade circles quite a bit. But I think he constitutes more than enough compensation as a throw in for a trade.
The main point is that both players - spezza and hemsky - have both been hobbled by injuries in their careers and especially in the last two years. It would be a gamble for either team to trade away it's franchise player for a potentially 45 point/40 game hefty contract player. Can we expect more from either of these players in the years to come?
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Guest4278
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 19:27:40
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Originally posted by Beans15
Getzlaf is simply a better player than Spezza. If production is equal, tell me who is bigger, stronger, faster, better defensively, a winner, and younger??
Futher pulling a Beans?? Nice. All I was saying is that player wise, Hemsky and Penner could be considered a 'poor man's' Savard and Kessel. It was to state that (some)people in the east have little to no respect for the players in the west.
But you don't consider Spezza a "poor man's" Getzlaf? Currently Spezza is injured on a stinky team but he is doing almost everything when he is playing this year. PK, PP, important offensive and defensive draws (and very good at it too even with a bad shoulder). Maybe you are not giving Spezza enough of his due as much as you are willing to give Hemsky and Penner.
Comparing Hemsky and Penner are the poor man's version of a healthy Savard and Kessel is similar comparing Spezza to Getzlaf. BTW I personally think Getzlaf is a better player than Spezza just as I think a healthy Savard and Kessel are that much better than Hemsky and Penner. No disrespecting players from any coast. |
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Guest9885
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Posted - 02/11/2011 : 08:08:27
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| How did Getzlaf get involved? That's like saying those two guys for for Datsyuk or Brad Richards. Not going to happen. Ever. Doesn't matter now because they did the Fisher deal so I reckon the media and the fans will wait another 5 losses before they start calling for the next, "big move." |
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Odin
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Posted - 02/11/2011 : 09:52:32
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Originally posted by Mario 66
I dont see that trade happening. If Edmonton can get Spezza with Corey Locke for Penner & Hemsky the rumblings may get a little louder but i dont forsee much coming of this proposal
Lemieux owns Gretzky
Geez, you can have Corey Locke for a bag of pucks. Not sure why you would want a perrenial AHLer. |
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Odin
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Posted - 02/11/2011 : 10:05:46
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Originally posted by Guest4278
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Originally posted by Beans15
Getzlaf is simply a better player than Spezza. If production is equal, tell me who is bigger, stronger, faster, better defensively, a winner, and younger??
Futher pulling a Beans?? Nice. All I was saying is that player wise, Hemsky and Penner could be considered a 'poor man's' Savard and Kessel. It was to state that (some)people in the east have little to no respect for the players in the west.
I agree. I don't even know how you can put these players in the same class. But as they say: turnabout is fair play. If you want to compare Hemsky and Penner to Savard and Kessel ( who I would take hands down and so would most GM's I suspect) Than Spezza and his 497 points in 499 games and career +67 is definitely comparable to Getzlaf's 377 points in 404 games and career +69. They have both had talented linemates, and while Getzlaf is probably better defensively, Spezza is finally making some strides in that direction.
But you don't consider Spezza a "poor man's" Getzlaf? Currently Spezza is injured on a stinky team but he is doing almost everything when he is playing this year. PK, PP, important offensive and defensive draws (and very good at it too even with a bad shoulder). Maybe you are not giving Spezza enough of his due as much as you are willing to give Hemsky and Penner.
Comparing Hemsky and Penner are the poor man's version of a healthy Savard and Kessel is similar comparing Spezza to Getzlaf. BTW I personally think Getzlaf is a better player than Spezza just as I think a healthy Savard and Kessel are that much better than Hemsky and Penner. No disrespecting players from any coast.
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