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| Larrydavid |
Posted - 02/08/2010 : 04:43:50
Who should be Canada's starting goalie and how long should they be given to show they are hot at the moment. |
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| Guest4803 |
Posted - 02/24/2010 : 12:18:38
Put Luongo or Fleury in NJ with the defensive system that they play and they would have similar if not better stats then Brodeur, not sure about Fleury but i know Luongo has a better save percentage then Brodeur not as many wins due ot the fact he hasnt played as many games and their gaa is pretty similar. Louuuuuuuuuuuuu will shine tonight |
| Guest2000 |
Posted - 02/24/2010 : 12:07:48
I get you beans and even though you may not believe me i was hoping they went with Fluery from the beggining even though that had as much of a chance as the swiss winning gold. One cuz i am a pens fan but more importantly he was lights out at the begging of the season but then went through a low period as a goalies and players do and the last two years in the playoffs hes been nuts. Ya he'll let in the occasional soft one but on a breakaway or on an odd man rush there is no goalie in this world who i would rely on more then his athelticism and the way he gets across the net is nuts.
I am one of those guys who cant stand brodeur not because hes not good cuz that would be ignorant on my behalf as i give credit were credit is due and he is hands down the best. But i've never been a fan of his style and get nervous the way he kicks at the puck along the ice even though it has obviously worked for him. Plus i wanna goalie ala Roy, Hasek etc who wear their heart on their sleeve and will tear your head off if you f*** up infront of them and marty's just not that type of ra ra guy that a group of young guys need back there.
Without a doubt he is the best i am just tired of people going on the countless vezina's and cups that happened years ago. Lundqvist doesn't have s*** but he does have an olympic gold because he got hot at the right time and thats what you need when you have a two week tourny and a group infront of you with the talent that we as canadians are fortunate to have. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/24/2010 : 11:33:10
I hear what you are saying guest, but it's also pretty hard to argue that Broduer this season has been pretty friggin good himself. Better statistically than Luongo and Fluery.
The decision to go with him as #1 was not a bad one. However, he did not play well against the US and Babcock went the other way. No one is arguing that.
Bottom line, 95% of people would have went with Broduer before the US game. Problem is that a large majority of those 95% use hindsight and say AFTER the game that Luongo should have played.
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| Guest2000 |
Posted - 02/24/2010 : 11:17:17
Some of you say your tired of hearing the what have you done for me lately BS reality is its is a two week tournament not a lifetime achievement award why would you not go with the best goalie at the time.
Should the russians have started Khabuhlin if he was healthy because he has a cup and stood on his head last year in the playoffs hell no. Nabokov & Bryzgalov have been studs this year, and your best example at what have you done for me lately is the US. I believe Tim Thomas won the Vezina last year but he's riding B**** while Miller leads the way cuz he has been great this year; so why would brodeur be an acception especiallly when we didn't show cujo any pity in 02.
Yes Brodeur is the best ever statiscally and then you will always have those people who argue otherwise just because they dont like him or his style no different with all the greats. But Marty didn't play well leading into the tournament and really hasn't been realiable in clutch situations since 06 look at his playoff record since then if you wanna doubt the comment.
In a two week tournament its all about who's hot thats how the czech won in 98 how we won in 02 and how the swedes won in 06. So please stop with the lifetime achievement BS and face the facts and reality that marty and all athletes as they age just arent the players they once were. You pay them there respects but tell them its time to move on as you need to win and hes just not cutting it. What more do you owe a guy that makes more cash in a season then the majority of the planet makes in their lifetime.
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| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/23/2010 : 06:23:13
Yeah those lines i posted, they are what Bob McKenzie posted on twitter. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 23:18:24
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4271
Ryan93, why are you breaking up Nash and Crosby???? I go with 3 lines against the Russians, on a consistant basis. The fourth line of Perry, Iginla and Bergeron, get limited duties, Iggie would get some PP time if he shows he's fit( I think hes hurt) Line 1 is Crosby, Nash and Richards, 2 is the Sharks, and the 3rd is Staal, Toews and Getzlaf and through Morrow in where ever, the pressure is on, now Loungo shines and Fleury is the backup, and Brodeur is on a plane sleeping, or on the US bench, trying to figure if he can carry Miller's equipment, lol, doubt he can even do that
I don't think Ryan was really the one to split the lines up, pretty sure it was Babcock and his coaching staff's idea? J/K of course, but he is simply reporting what was made public tonight that they're making the changes to those lines he listed! |
| Axey |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 22:10:00
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4271
Ryan93, why are you breaking up Nash and Crosby???? I go with 3 lines against the Russians, on a consistant basis. The fourth line of Perry, Iginla and Bergeron, get limited duties, Iggie would get some PP time if he shows he's fit( I think hes hurt) Line 1 is Crosby, Nash and Richards, 2 is the Sharks, and the 3rd is Staal, Toews and Getzlaf and through Morrow in where ever, the pressure is on, now Loungo shines and Fleury is the backup, and Brodeur is on a plane sleeping, or on the US bench, trying to figure if he can carry Miller's equipment, lol, doubt he can even do that
Man, people have to quit with the what have you done for me lately bull. Brodeur is the best goalie in the world, already won us a gold medal. So what he had a mediocre game? Ok, start Luongo but don't start the baby talk and a brutal attempt at an insult if I might add. How many vezina's, cup's, record's, gold medals does Miller have? |
| Guest4271 |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 21:49:26
Ryan93, why are you breaking up Nash and Crosby???? I go with 3 lines against the Russians, on a consistant basis. The fourth line of Perry, Iginla and Bergeron, get limited duties, Iggie would get some PP time if he shows he's fit( I think hes hurt) Line 1 is Crosby, Nash and Richards, 2 is the Sharks, and the 3rd is Staal, Toews and Getzlaf and through Morrow in where ever, the pressure is on, now Loungo shines and Fleury is the backup, and Brodeur is on a plane sleeping, or on the US bench, trying to figure if he can carry Miller's equipment, lol, doubt he can even do that |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 19:32:17
Lines for tomorrows game....
Staal - Crosby - Iginla
Nash - Getzlaf - Perry
Marleau - Thornton - Heatley
Morrow - Toews - Richards
Bergeron
Roberto Luongo in goal |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 19:24:38
Yeah Brodeur sorry. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 17:50:17
quote:
Originally posted by ryan93
Fleury was on the bench for the game against the Swiss which Luongo started.
I think you meant, Brodeur started?
Anyway, guest 2000, no need to get upset. Truth is, i read the first 4 lines of your original post and it gave me a headache. Mix a period in there every now and then? It's all about being readable. No, we don't need a bibliography, but dude, seriously, go back and try reading that yourself, it's tragic! Off to get some tylenol..... |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 14:58:49
Fleury was on the bench for the game against the Swiss which Luongo started. |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 14:57:55
Don't take it the wrong way, it's just that if you want everyone to hear (read) what you have to say, just break it up a little & a lot more people will end up doing just that. That is all. |
| Guest4803 |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 14:55:56
put marty up in the press box with carter, let fleury have a chance to sit on the bench at least with the rest of the team and ride lou all the way to the gold! |
| Guest2000 |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 12:53:12
I hope my last response wasn't to strenuous for those of you who could not take the time to read two mins of text that was not in correct format. Please let me know if you require references and a bibliography because i would hate to do anything that would make your lives more complex then sitting in front of a tv. I gotta get back to my lecture have a good one folks.
Go Canada and Go Home Brodeur |
| Guest2000 |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 12:47:38
I'm writing a response to a question not a formal essay for my Prof.
Know one forces you to read the post.
Brodeur has been ineffective in big games for the last 5 years but yet our ignorance of his past still leads us to believe he has the capability to rise to the occasion. Canada doesn't play a trap so brodeurs pitiful rebound control is exploited and his stand up game doesn't work against teams who have the caliber of players that the other top 5 teams and it obviously doesn't work against Switzerland either. 6 goals on under 40 shots against two teams who wont finish in the top 4 doesn't cut it in any league. Bench his ass just like they gladly did cujo in 02 and cut all this o but look at what he has done over his career BS out.
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| Guest2559 |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 12:20:20
I read it huge and I must say I agree! |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 12:16:10
quote:
Originally posted by Hugh G. Rection
Wow, its called paragraphs. No one is going to read that gigantic block of text. Seriously edit that post if you want anyone to care about what you wrote
My thoughts exactly, i know i didn't bother reading it. |
| Leafs81 |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 12:01:15
Guest 2000 I agree with most you said. But I would also add that I wasn't impressed with Boyle and Perry during the tournament so far.
And like you I hope Roberto Luongo will get the call tomorrow, and I never really agreed with the presence of Niedermayer, he's having an off year big time. Pronger and Boyle are doing turnovers over and over again. And Perry is costing big time, not skating, no second or third effort.
Really we outplay the other teams by skills but they outplay us big time with will and hard work. |
| Hugh G. Rection |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 11:51:54
Wow, its called paragraphs. No one is going to read that gigantic block of text. Seriously edit that post if you want anyone to care about what you wrote |
| Guest2000 |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 10:43:40
Guest 4050 going on my original post even though i'll have a different guest number now. So i guess everyone i still loving brodeur after his great performance last night his fish out of water routine was legendary maybe even an oscar candidate for the most repeated douchebag moments. So lets recap his stellar effort first he gives the puck away and they almost score 10secs in the game then again he blows it and coughs it up 30secs later which leads to a goal which was the only part of the entire 42 secs that wasnt his fault as it tipped off crosby's stick then the infamous joe carter swing he must of forgot what sport he was playing and then the nice little putter shot by rafalski which brodeurs flops around again like a fish and then the back breaker on the drury goal again diving like a fish and again he misses even on the langenbrunner goal he wouldnt have stopped it even if it didnt get tipped his legs were so far a part i thought he was doing a pre game groin stretch so all four goals he was either completely at fault or partially to blame. We outshot them by a 2-1 margin and ya miller played great but that game should of been 3-1 canada even with miller standing on his head at times. As i said before let brodeur either come up big or blow hard like cujo and last night he showed were he stands. Put him up in the bleachers because if he plays another game i cant bare to watch especially as a true hockey fan and a proud canadian. I dont care if they put andre "red light" rasicoe in the damn net atleast he will stay in the damn net not try and be a figure skater like brodeur. Yes statistically he is the greatest and has proven it many times but the big 5 plus canada dont have 3rd and fourth line stragglers like in the nhl and clearly brodeur just cant compete with the offensive fire power that these top tier teams have anymore. Also can we please have somebody throw a beer at mike babcock decide on the lines and play them and stop throwing SN & CP on the ice they have been F****** brutal if i see scott niedemayer playing rover (baseball term for a player who can position themselves anywhere on the field) again im gonna brake my tv. Niedemayer Pronger and Brodeur three of the best this country has produced maybe 3 of the worst players thus far in the entire tournament. Ride the rest of the way with luongo and weber, keith, seabrook and doughty as your four go to guys and the forwards will carry them to the promise land unfortunately in life and sports there is always a passing of the guard and its time to let the kids show what they can do and let the old guys know that you appreciate everything they've done for the game and the country but keep them off the ice cuz there blowing it. They've had their moment and now against sub par teams like the Swiss and US (yes i said it the americans are talented but still subpar - they are good but will still get steam rolled by the swedes fins russians and canada if we dont have the fish in net) they have been walked around on a continous basis and offensively which both players are known for they have been useless. Doughty looks like the veteran an these guys look like a bunch of kids against men. Maybe in a couple days someone can say im wrong but if i see brodeur play again i wont be around to find out cuz i cant bare losing to teams because your goalie cant make a big save or a save at all for that matter. GO CANADA and go home Brodeur |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/13/2010 : 10:43:51
I'm not sure i like that redneck? If they start Luongo in game two, that's the more difficult game, right? What if he shuts out the Swiss and Brodeur beats Norway 8-1? I'd still like to see Brodeur get the start vs USA (assuming he doesn't look shaky vs Norway?). I'd prefer to see them play Brodeur and give Luongo a period or two here or there if they're up?
Tough call, but a nice dilemma to have i guess? Two of the best in the world on your team? Three for that matter..... |
| redneck76ca |
Posted - 02/13/2010 : 00:27:13
quote:
Originally posted by Alex116
quote:
Originally posted by Axey
Alright boys, get real. No question, Brodeur is leading the boys to a gold medal unless he gets blown out in one of the games other than that dream on. Fleury without a doubt in 2014, I dont care if robots play by then either.
Totally agree with the Brodeur analogy, but would be willing to make a huge wager that Fleury doesn't start in 2014 (and this of course would only apply if NHLers are in). Basically what i'm saying is that i'd play the odds. Luongo will still be in the mix, Mason, remember the guy everyone thought would be #3 this year? He'll could be the best goalie in hockey 3 or 4 years from now? Carey Price? Ya never know, 4 years is a LONG time! There's more too. While i get what you're saying, there's no way anyone's gonna hand Fleury the job anytime soon!
BTW, Fleury didn't take the #3 spot from Mason. If Mason played this year like he did last year and had similar stats, he'd be one of the three for sure! Cup or no cup, Fleury would be on the outside looking in. The only way MAF would be on it would be if they threw Luongo aside and took youth which i don't think they'd have done. Why? Because Luongo will still be just 33 at the next games and will quite likely still be one of the best
Brodeur will likely start on Tuesday and the Luongo on Thursday, or vice versa. Babcock was interviewed on tsn earlier this week and said that they would be going with Luo and Marty. Fleury wont see any action unless they fall out of the medals, even then they are likely to give Brodeur his last hurrah. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/12/2010 : 23:58:43
quote:
Originally posted by Axey
Alright boys, get real. No question, Brodeur is leading the boys to a gold medal unless he gets blown out in one of the games other than that dream on. Fleury without a doubt in 2014, I dont care if robots play by then either.
Totally agree with the Brodeur analogy, but would be willing to make a huge wager that Fleury doesn't start in 2014 (and this of course would only apply if NHLers are in). Basically what i'm saying is that i'd play the odds. Luongo will still be in the mix, Mason, remember the guy everyone thought would be #3 this year? He'll could be the best goalie in hockey 3 or 4 years from now? Carey Price? Ya never know, 4 years is a LONG time! There's more too. While i get what you're saying, there's no way anyone's gonna hand Fleury the job anytime soon!
BTW, Fleury didn't take the #3 spot from Mason. If Mason played this year like he did last year and had similar stats, he'd be one of the three for sure! Cup or no cup, Fleury would be on the outside looking in. The only way MAF would be on it would be if they threw Luongo aside and took youth which i don't think they'd have done. Why? Because Luongo will still be just 33 at the next games and will quite likely still be one of the best |
| Axey |
Posted - 02/12/2010 : 22:38:06
Alright boys, get real. No question, Brodeur is leading the boys to a gold medal unless he gets blown out in one of the games other than that dream on. Fleury without a doubt in 2014, I dont care if robots play by then either. |
| polishexpress |
Posted - 02/10/2010 : 11:54:25
So consensus seems to have Fleury or Brodeur to do rock-paper-scissors for the top spot?
I don't want Luongo (no offense to Vancouver or his skills), but I'd rather Stanley Cup winners in my net.
I'd go with Brodeur over Fleury because of experience, and Brodeur has played in the Olympics before.
In the end though, whoever the coach chooses is fine. If Canada wins, nobody will be mad for choosing the wrong goalie, and if Canada loses, there would be someone mad for choosing the wrong goalie even if all three were in net at the same time.
I just hope every team will play entertaining hockey. |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/10/2010 : 05:03:05
The fact that Brodeur has had some bad games lately & has given up some soft goals...It's not that which worries me a bit about him being our starting goaltender. It's how he has performed in the last 3 playoffs. The soft goals he gave up last year to Carolina. He was brutal against the Rangers in 2008, and he struggled in '07 against the Sens. |
| Guest8954 |
Posted - 02/10/2010 : 00:56:16
Based on the regular season stats thus far Brodeur-Luongo-Fleury would seem like the logical choice.
Wins:
Brodeur 33
Luongo 30
Fleury 28
GAA:
Brodeur 2.27
Luongo 2.33
Fleury 2.68
Sv%:
Brodeur 0.917
Luongo 0.919
Fleury 0.906
Shutouts (Not a big deal in my mind):
Brodeur 7
Luongo 3
Fleury 0
All three have been known to ride the lightning as well as slump every now and then so I wouldn't move Brodeur due to his current slump. He is the greatest goalie of all time (based on statistical performance) and a Canadian icon. Without a doubt I put him in first. Unless he gives a serious case for becoming #2 I'm keeping him in.
Or maybe he might get injured... being old and all ;) |
| irvine |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 22:22:08
I'd not try giving all three goalies a start. Infact, i'd not really be too keen on giving two a start at first.
I believe strongly that you should have a number 1 picked going in. Start that netminder, let him play on until he proves you otherwise. Then you replace him with your number 2 thought.
It's a short tournament. You want your number one to be prepared for anything. Whether it's Norway or Russia, allow him to get comfortable in the net. Don't swap out goaltenders based on who you're playing, which we often see in the World Juniors.
Let him get warmed up against Norway, keep in game mode. Continue on. Don't get him started, switch him out for a game, then put him back in.
Irvine/prez. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 21:43:20
quote:
Originally posted by polishexpress
Would it be wise to give every goalie a chance to play 1 game in non-medal round, and then stick with the hottest goalie through the medal round?
I think you might see a few teams play two but keep in mind, this is a short tournament and apparently the way the games are set up, one goalie should easily be able to play the entire tournament. Also, keep in mind some of the teams don't have a solid #2?
Canada could get away with giving their #2 a start, but with their draw being Norway first, you won't see them give Brodeur that one, followed by the other two each getting a start? Norway shouldn't prove to be too big a test so if Brodeur shut them out with a 9-0 win and only 14 shots against, that isn't enough action for him to be ready for a do or die. Can you imagine if Luongo or Fleury followed up with a 2-0 shootout over the US making 30+ saves? Who'd play when the "one and done" games begin? |
| irvine |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 21:26:08
Sure, a goaltender may be "hot now". But to me, that does not make them the best goaltender in the world.
Brodeur has played solid, consistent hockey his entire career. Not for 10, 20 or even 82 games.
Miller, Nabokov, Fleury, Vokoun, etc... are all excellent goaltender, for their respective NHL and National teams. But to me, they are not the best goaltender based on even 82 games. (All other goaltenders mentioned, have played well their entire careers aswell, but not to the extent of MB) Brodeur, has all of these NHL records for a reason. If I had to pick a goaltender, playing in the Olympics to be in my net of any netminder in the game today. It's Marty.
Even if Brodeur struggled horrid this season, he'd still be the best in the World in my opinion. Because he's proven it over the course of his entire career. Not just a season. If he struggled during the tournament, I'd then look at replacing him with my next choice (Fleury.) Until then, he starts for me.
Irvine/prez. |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 21:24:58
I don't think all 3 no, but i think you'll see a lot of countries play 2 of their goaltenders are some point in the preliminary round. |
| polishexpress |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 21:13:23
Would it be wise to give every goalie a chance to play 1 game in non-medal round, and then stick with the hottest goalie through the medal round? |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 20:29:12
Yeah, ya gotta figure Miller will be just fine come the big games? I can't see him losing his job at this point. Unless he struggles big time in the first game or two?
The US has a difficult first game, moreso than many prob realize. They open with the Swiss and who knows what sort of game Hiller might have? If he throws a 40+ save effort at them, they could find themselves on the wrong side of a tight score and be 0-1 sooner than they realize? |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 20:11:06
Yeah Miller has definitely been struggling the last little bit, i even heard one commentator today (can`t remember who it was, on someone on Sportsnet i believe) suggest Jonathan Quick should be their starter. I wouldn`t go that far, but Miller will defintely have to be better than he`s been so far in February. (i didn`t see any of tonights game, but i see he stopped 32 of 34 shots in regulation)
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| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 19:51:23
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
quote:
Originally posted by irvine
Guest4050,
Because at the end of the day I want the best goaltender in the world in my net, easy as that.
Irvine/prez.
If you want the best goalie in the world today in your net, you might have to cheer for another country. I would say going into the Olympics, Miller and Nabokov have been completely unconsious in the past month. Let's not forget about Tommy Vokoun and what he has done recently with a pretty limited defense.
There are some fantastic goalies out there. I don't think there are any that are head and shoulders over the next.
Again, I think Fleury is under rated but if push came to shove and I had to make a call, Marty B is in there for me as well.
Beans, i wouldn't consider Miller's play to be "unconsious" this past month? He was good early, but he's actually been struggling somewhat lately. Heard tonight that he is 2-6 in his last 8, with a GAA over 2.8 and a save % under .900? Not a good time to slump for the US team, but having said that, he's likely to bounce back to his early form! |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 19:09:04
quote:
Originally posted by irvine
Guest4050,
Because at the end of the day I want the best goaltender in the world in my net, easy as that.
Irvine/prez.
If you want the best goalie in the world today in your net, you might have to cheer for another country. I would say going into the Olympics, Miller and Nabokov have been completely unconsious in the past month. Let's not forget about Tommy Vokoun and what he has done recently with a pretty limited defense.
There are some fantastic goalies out there. I don't think there are any that are head and shoulders over the next.
Again, I think Fleury is under rated but if push came to shove and I had to make a call, Marty B is in there for me as well. |
| irvine |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 19:04:44
Guest4050,
Because at the end of the day I want the best goaltender in the world in my net, easy as that.
Irvine/prez. |
| Guest4050 |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 13:49:50
Why does the comment brodeur is the best ever even come into this convo. Why dont we throw in Rob Blake & Robyn Regeher while were at it they've had better carrers then the young kids. Realistically beans made the most relevant comment about how fleury has been in the last two cup finals and in a two week tournament its all about what have you done for me recently not what did you do for me over your career.Has anybody watched brodeur play against the leafs ranger and flyers lately? Below average teams and marty's allowing below average goals and he blew a 2-0 lead last night. This is a two week tournament not a life time achievment award. Obviously some of you missed the 06 olympics when marty looked like cujo in 02. He guided us too a stellar 7th place did he not. Let all three guys play in the round robin games which ever two look the best those are your guys the rest of the way. And nobody can say that does not make sense as switzlerand blanked us 2-0 in the last olympics so all would be tune up games. If you want brodeur as your guy then let him play the game against the US and if he s***s the bed then dispose of him the way they did with cujo. If he steals the show then you get your answer and ride him the whole way. Regardless i think Fleury has to be atleast your # 2 as there is no better goalie in the world in the shootout and and i assure you a game against russia, sweden or the fins just may go to a shootout and who wouldn't want a guy that is 7-0 in the shootout and i believe has yet to concede a goal this year (may be wrong on the conceding goal). |
| irvine |
Posted - 02/08/2010 : 16:01:30
I think it's an easy choice. You go with Brodeur.
He has the NHL records to support his case, a long with the Olympic/World experience. He's also perhaps the greatest goaltender in pro hockey history.
Irvine/prez. |
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