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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
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 Posted - 09/15/2010 : 07:33:58
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Originally posted by Beans15
Bobby Ryan - $25.5 million for 5 years.
I think this contract might end up biting the Ducks in the junk. Although Ryan is younger and ultimately more skilled, this deal still reminds me a bit of the Penner deal. (On a side bar, Penner had as many points and goals last season getting a million less per year on a far inferious team for anyone who thinks the comparison is unreasonable.)
This deal is only solid if Ryan continued to improve. I think it's more likely Ryan will continue to stay at the 35ish goals per year mark, however if he slips to the 25ish level, he is overpaid. I admit I have not watching more than 5-6 games a year of Ryan, he is a very talented offensive player but that's really it. Does little to nothing on the back end in the games I have watched and really has never looked to be an impact player. He is a silent assassin I guess. For $5+ million a season, anything less than 35 goals without stepping up the rest of his game is going to be an overpayment.
is he really overpaid?? Penner sure as hell is not overpaid,,,, 4.5 million is not much for a 30 goal scorer... just take a look around the league,,, Mike Cammalleri ,, god knows i love the guy.. but he doesn`t do much on the back end (full of heart its not that he doesn;t go back he is just not pk material) what does my boy mike make 6 million a year,, hes not much more than a 30 goal scorer with potential for 40 ,, Brian Gionta same deal except he is very much a 2 way player but again 5 million,,, their is a list as long as my... eh hem of 5 million $ players who are 30 goal scorers at best ,, so Bobby Ryan i think great contract at 25 in his prime he could easily score 45 next to Geztlaf... 5 million for a 45 goal scorer is awsome,,, and 5 mil for a 25 goal scorer is not ridiculous, even in the worst case scenerio he is very tradeable because he has scored 30 plus twice
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ToXXiK1
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 09/15/2010 : 08:18:48
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If it bites them in the junk, it'll be their own fault as Ryan only wanted 2-3 years and the Ducks pushed for 5.
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 09/15/2010 : 09:51:03
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A one dimensional goal scorer's salary is on a very slippery scale. A 40+ goal scorer is easily worth $6+ million. A 30-40 a year guy is around $4.5-$5.5 million. Less than 30 goals is not worth $4.5 million.
Considering that Penner signed a 5 year deal and had a grand total of 40 goals and 84 points through the first 2 season, he was overpaid. At last year's production (32G, 63 Pts) he is closer. He is only worth that money if he has 2 more seasons of 30+ goal seasons.
This will be similar to Ryan. If he has less than 35 goals a season, I would consider it an overpay as he really doesn't bring anything else to the table. |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 09/15/2010 : 14:12:00
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Originally posted by Beans15
A one dimensional goal scorer's salary is on a very slippery scale. A 40+ goal scorer is easily worth $6+ million. A 30-40 a year guy is around $4.5-$5.5 million. Less than 30 goals is not worth $4.5 million.
Considering that Penner signed a 5 year deal and had a grand total of 40 goals and 84 points through the first 2 season, he was overpaid. At last year's production (32G, 63 Pts) he is closer. He is only worth that money if he has 2 more seasons of 30+ goal seasons.
This will be similar to Ryan. If he has less than 35 goals a season, I would consider it an overpay as he really doesn't bring anything else to the table.
would you Consider Cammalleri over paid a 6 mil? he is by no means a north south player,, he is however a very good play maker but by all means is considerd a one dimensional sniper, granted he has consitently proven he is a 30 + goal scorer
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Beans15
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Posted - 09/15/2010 : 22:41:02
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Cammalleri is a game changer. Period. I would put him in a group of elite offensive player in the NHL today. He belongs with the likes of Ovechkin, Crosby, Kovalchuk, Parise, Heatley, et al. He is often overlooked based on where he has played in his career and the fact that is is barely marketed outside of Montreal.
Would I pay Cammalleri $6 million?? Absolutely. I would pay him that before I would pay Penner $4.25 or Ryan $5 million. He is a step up on both of those guys. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2010 : 15:32:47
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New rumor on the Sheldon Souray front is a straight up deal of Souray to CBJ for Mike Commodore. Apparently the Jackets are looking for a big shot from the point and the Oilers are looking for absolutely anything.
Commodore is a cap friendlier $3.75 million through 12/13 and would fit reasonably well into the Oilers fold.
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Posted - 09/20/2010 : 18:07:13
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Wow.
That rumour Beans says a lot about how desperate the Oilers are to get rid of Souray's contract, if true. Imagine if the Oil actually spent to the cap, eh?
Souray is a solid puck moving d-man, but his numbers have taken a big dip, so really, not a bad pick-up if it's for a utility player like Commodore. Would be a good deal both ways, considering the situation.
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 09/21/2010 : 00:16:32
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| Interesting (the Ryan deal).....i agree with whoever said his numbers may just be inflated slightly considering the guys he plays with. A good comparison was Kessel. What would his numbers look like with Getzlaf and Perry? |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 09/21/2010 : 14:22:52
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I don' t think Commodore is such a bad pickup, really. He's a huge hulking stay-at-home dman that would be a good defensive addition to the Oil. They lose an offensive punch, but they have Whitney and Foster to provide that.
Plus, bonus points if he grows his hair into that huge red afro again. Also, extra bonus points if he takes #64 again like he did in CGY 
From an article I found:
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"Whoever gets me is going to be happy," Souray told The Edmonton Journal last week, "and they're going to get a pretty motivated Sheldon Souray."
Sadly for EDM, that is probably true. Once Souray moves, he'll probably have a great season. |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2312 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2010 : 03:06:43
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Originally posted by Beans15
Cammalleri is a game changer. Period. I would put him in a group of elite offensive player in the NHL today. He belongs with the likes of Ovechkin, Crosby, Kovalchuk, Parise, Heatley, et al. He is often overlooked based on where he has played in his career and the fact that is is barely marketed outside of Montreal.
Would I pay Cammalleri $6 million?? Absolutely. I would pay him that before I would pay Penner $4.25 or Ryan $5 million. He is a step up on both of those guys.
Wow beans i thought i was the only one who thought so highly of Mike Cammalleri, i thought it was my red coloured glasses and a super human playoffs that had me putting him a step below the Heatly's of the world,, in that case you trump my argument!
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Gusteroni
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Canada
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Posted - 09/30/2010 : 10:22:01
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It is being reported today that the Oilers have placed Souray and Gerber on waivers. Finally we may see an end to this Souray drama. I wonder if anyone will pick either of these two up or if they both end up in Oklahoma City playing for the Barons. Would you pick either of these two up?
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 09/30/2010 : 12:00:47
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Souray is too over valued and too injury proned at this time. If he does actually go down and is healthy after about 20 games in the AHL then there may be a market for him if there is a floundering offense or a key injury somewhere.
That being said, perhaps Souray will clear waivers and asked to be loaned to the KHL somewhere??
Gerber is a back up and best and will also not get picked up. However, it is nice insurance to have him in the minors.
Neither will be picked up. If they are picked up, I will be shocked. The only outside team I can see even sniffing at Souray is STL. They have the cap room and a pretty average defense after Johnson and Brewer. |
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Gusteroni
Rookie
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Posted - 09/30/2010 : 13:15:13
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I think the Islanders could also be in the market for Souray. They have the cap space and with Mark Streit out they may have the need for him. They might even need Souray just to get to the cap minimum.
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Posted - 10/01/2010 : 12:08:01
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| Souray and Gerber both clear waivers. I think gerber will go to the AHL and souray will go on re-entry waivers in hopes that another team will want him for half the salary. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 10/01/2010 : 15:58:12
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| I'd have to think that a team will take him at half the salary! Edm will have to eat the other half. |
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Gusteroni
Rookie
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Posted - 10/06/2010 : 12:33:22
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Souray has been loaned to the Hershey Bears!!! How about that for a kick in the arse!!! I guess he will spending the season in the minors.
"When Hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too." |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 10/08/2010 : 10:11:47
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semin-rules
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 10/08/2010 : 11:21:29
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Boston signs Patrice Bergeron for 3 years, 15 million dollars.
Yes !!!
I love Bergeron and the Bruins as well :)
solid amount to. He is in his prime and will contribute lots these next few years. |
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Posted - 10/12/2010 : 07:36:36
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| Sheldon souray is a Bum and I hope he stays in the Minors all season .. Selffish idiot.. all aboyut himself wasnt about that team...Rout in the Minors Souray.... |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 10/12/2010 : 21:27:45
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| was just reading an article about Souray - apparently his move to the AHL actually gives him a raise, as he no longer loses 18% of his salary to escrow (same will apply to Redden). Not bad, that works out to about 1M extra in his pocket this season. |
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