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polishexpress
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 Posted - 08/29/2010 : 18:04:49
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| This just in, SAM GAGNER has been resigned to a two year deal by the Oilers. (SOURCE: http://oilers.nhl.com/) The details are yet to be released... |
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/29/2010 : 18:14:37
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Gagner was the only player from last years team I was hoping the tam would resign. He is talented and will have a solid career.
I've read reports saying the deal is $4.55 overall, $2.275 cap hit.
From his draft year, only Patrick Kane has more points(in a draft including Voracek, Simmonds, Van Riemsdyk, Turris, Sutter, Eller to name a few). He has 3 straight 40 point seasons and he's just turned 21 in the past few weeks.
I think if anyone is going to find some chemistry on a line with Hall and Eberle, Gagner will be the centre. That line has some serious potential in the future. |
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polishexpress
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Posted - 08/29/2010 : 18:19:19
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The line sounds pretty good to me!
I've heard that Niemi might be an Oiler's target? Any likelihood to that? I wouldn't mind a goaltending upgrade at the right price. So far we have to young guys, a convict, and a piece of Swiss cheese. I'd love to see a finnish wall in net... |
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/30/2010 : 06:54:38
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Why would the Oilers want Niemi?? Khabibulin is under contract for 3 more season, Dubnyk for 2 year, and Gerber and Deslauriers for 1 each. What one earth would make anyone thing Niemi should be brought in to that mix??
Seriously, I get Niemi just won the Cup. That being said, can you honestly say that he is a big enough step up on any of the 4 Oiler goalies to be #1?? Is he good enough to warrant a big contract AND the issues of having to get rid of 2-3 goalies in a market that is pretty tough to move goalies in??
Niemi is not the answer or the players the Oilers are targeting. Their future is net is Dubnyk and Oliver Roy. |
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 08/30/2010 : 07:11:58
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Pheonix signs Stepniak to a two year deal worth 1.75 per year.
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky |
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/30/2010 : 08:04:24
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Originally posted by Sensfan101
Pheonix signs Stepniak to a two year deal worth 1.75 per year.
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky
I am thinking that signing a player with 50 pt potential for less than $2 million a season is pretty solid. Phoenix continues with their strategy from last season. Middle of the road but quality players getting signed to reasonable deals. As soon as Jovanovksi is off the books at the end of the year they will not have a single contract more than $4.5 million.
Reminds me a lot of Nashville. They will not win, but they will be competative and entertaining with a very low salary cost. |
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Posted - 08/30/2010 : 20:24:41
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Originally posted by Beans15
Why would the Oilers want Niemi?? Khabibulin is under contract for 3 more season, Dubnyk for 2 year, and Gerber and Deslauriers for 1 each. What one earth would make anyone thing Niemi should be brought in to that mix??
Seriously, I get Niemi just won the Cup. That being said, can you honestly say that he is a big enough step up on any of the 4 Oiler goalies to be #1?? Is he good enough to warrant a big contract AND the issues of having to get rid of 2-3 goalies in a market that is pretty tough to move goalies in??
Niemi is not the answer or the players the Oilers are targeting. Their future is net is Dubnyk and Oliver Roy.
bulin may be in jail for 6 months,,,, not sure he ll be starting the season in EDM |
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/30/2010 : 21:25:20
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Ya, or he might be in jail for a month, or get a stay sentence, or a multitude of other potential outcomes.
Regardless, even if Khabibulin is out of the mix for good, I am still not convinced that Niemi would be worth the trouble. Firstly, the arbitrator has his head filled in that he is worth nearly $3 million a season. Secondly, the Oilers would have to either eat 2 of the deals of their goalies or find new homes for them.
And for what??? The Oilers are not going to win any more with Niemi than without him and by the time the team is good enough to win, who knows where Niemi will be, how much money he will want, or if he will be worth anything.
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Posted - 08/31/2010 : 06:04:30
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No star NHLer is going to jail . . . it's not as if Khabibulin viciously attacked someone and gave them permanent injuries, or killed someone while driving recklessly . . . so let's get real.
It'll be a tiny little slap on the wrist, and Khabibulin will start on opening day for Edmonton.
Anything more than a fine would be well above the precedents already set.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 08/31/2010 : 09:27:41
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Anything more than a fine would be well above the precedents already set.
Khabibulin was not charged with simple DUI - he was charged with extreme DUI, as he was more than 2x the legal limit.
The minimum sentence for extreme DUI is 30 days in jail, so he will definitely see some jail time - not to mention likley mandatory alcohol counselling, interlock device on car for 1 year, fines, 90 day driver license suspension.
According to one article I saw, the defense is going to ask for 10 days in jail and 20 suspended, as well as psych eval and agree to an alcohol treatment program. Prosecution will likely press for more than the 30 day min, given the excessive speeding as well.
I'm not sure how this charge affects his ability to work in the US - I don't think its a felony, but its certainly more than a misdemeanor. Also at question is whether or not the Oilers have grounds to void his contract because of this. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/31/2010 : 10:25:56
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Couple of things.
Firstly, I would be shocked if he gets anything more than then bare minimum. First offense on all counts, history in the community, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Secondly, if it's not a misdemeanor it is a felony. I don't believe there are any other options. That being said, it is not difficult for these uber-rich people to get all sorts of special permissions to cross borders, etc. Look at Heatley, who was convicted of a felony. He still crosses the border all the time.
Bottom line, if he gets sentenced to any jail time, it will start almost immediately. Anything less that 30 days and he will be ready to play before the season starts.
Howvever, there is a very interesting comment recently made by Tambellini. It was along the lines of, 'We respect the courts decisions and await the sentencing before having discussions with Nikoli, his agent, and the NHL."
The key part of that being "the NHL." That either means the Oilers need to talk to the NHL about how to make it so he will play or (as Nuxfan also eluded to)it means they want to talk to the NHL about getting out of the deal based on the legal issues???? |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 08/31/2010 : 12:58:33
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did some research, Beans you are correct its either felony or misdemeanor - apparently extreme DUI is a class 1 misdemeanor, which is the highest class in Arizona (punishable by up to 6 months in jail). The next level up is a class 6 felony. Aggrevated DUI is the only DUI felony offense that I could find. So Khabby is off the hook in that regard.
Also... Heatley was never convicted of a felony - his only felony charge (first degree vehicular manslaughter) was dropped in his plea agreement, he was convicted of second degree instead. Hence his ability to cross the border. I don't believe that there is an active NHL player with a past felony conviction against them.
In regards to the contract, it would not surprise me at all if EDM was looking at possible ways to lose this contract - I can't believe that they really want to go forward with Khabby for the next 3 years, if given a fully legitimate out. |
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 08/31/2010 : 13:23:18
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Doug Weight signs a one year extension with the New York Islanders.
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky |
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polishexpress
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Posted - 08/31/2010 : 14:28:06
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And the Oilers aren't making any official comments until Khabibulin is sentenced.
Personally, I hope they drop him. I know this is a hockey forum, but I lose respect for any and all who drink and drive, especially to the amount than Mr. Khabibulin did.
But, more than likely, like everyone has been saying, he'll get a slap on the wrists, or a few weeks in jail at most. |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 08/31/2010 : 16:18:29
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well he got the least the state of Arizona would give him 30 days in the big house,, the article on TSN.CA does not specify when he will serve this and suggests he is expected to be in training camp, there must be a way through the CBA and his contract,,, like a code of conduct the Edmonton Oilers expect from their players that would allow them to walk away from his contract and frankly that is what i would do,, Bulin does not make them a cup contender this year all by himself and JFDD and Dubnyk are young goalies with high upside and low cap hit,, it would be much better for the oilers to play these two in a tandem this year with Gerber as a very good back up option in the minors, just how i would play it
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nuxfan
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Posted - 08/31/2010 : 17:12:51
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apparently Kabby is going to appeal the decision, so he will be at training camp for sure. A risky move IMO - if he loses his appeal then he'll go to jail right away, and that could be mid-season.
If I were him, I'd accept it, do my time, and then get out before the season starts. Unless he thinks the Oilers can void his contract if he goes to jail, and is therefore trying to delay the inevitable...who knows. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/31/2010 : 17:17:49
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I personally believe that having Khabibulin, a proven winner, as the mentor for Dubnyk is more important than playing a ton of games. Look at Deslauriers last year. Thrown to the wolves as a #1 when he was barely ready to be a back up in the NHL. And Gerber is not the guy to mentor the kids. In 3 years, then Khabibulin's contract is done, Dubnyk will be ready to be an everyday #1 with Oliver Roy potentially backing up.
Not only that, but Khabibulin is head and shoulders a better player than any of the other's on the Oiler's roster. He sells tickets. He keeps the team in many games. That is vital in rebuilding years. Nothing would be worse than having all these kids in the dressing room and having a worse season than last year.
Finally, although this is a hockey site, I agree that people who knowingly make poor decisions need to pay for their actions. However, to throw the book at a guy for his first offense is more than a little over the top. No disrespect to anyone and their individual situations, but where would so many people be if never given a 2nd chance?? Craig MacTavish was responsible for vehicular homicide early in his career. He paid his debt to society with jail time, got a fresh start, and went on to have a successful career.
1st offense, pay your debt and get a 2nd chance to regain respect. |
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Leafs81
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Posted - 08/31/2010 : 18:31:42
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Originally posted by Beans15
Ya, or he might be in jail for a month, or get a stay sentence, or a multitude of other potential outcomes.
Regardless, even if Khabibulin is out of the mix for good, I am still not convinced that Niemi would be worth the trouble. Firstly, the arbitrator has his head filled in that he is worth nearly $3 million a season. Secondly, the Oilers would have to either eat 2 of the deals of their goalies or find new homes for them.
And for what??? The Oilers are not going to win any more with Niemi than without him and by the time the team is good enough to win, who knows where Niemi will be, how much money he will want, or if he will be worth anything.
Vesa Toskala anyone????
There's one Toskala fan in the hockey world (other then his family and friends) and that's Beans...
Kudo's to you Beans you never gave up on this guy, and really maybe he could bounce back and if he does well you were the one believer.
I was a big fan of Felix Potvin back in the days and when he started getting worst I always thought he could get back to form then he had one good run with LA and that's it. But he did had that one good run  |
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polishexpress
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Posted - 08/31/2010 : 20:26:05
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Not only that, but Khabibulin is head and shoulders a better player than any of the other's on the Oiler's roster. He sells tickets.
Exactly what I saw from him last year over the 20 games he played, when Khabi plays, EDM was in the game, no matter how bad the team in front played.
(PS: First time offender only means first time caught, statistically the probability that someone is caught the first time they drink and drive is low... And I believe in second chances, but the offense shows a wanton disregard for life and authority , thus I lose respect for the guy- still, you're right, he deserves a second chance like anybody)
In fact, after the hubbub he's caused, if and when he plays again, I wouldn't doubt he'll draw in even more crowds...I don't think the Oilers will drop him.
The bigger issue is whether Khabi's mentoring will be from the ice or from the "sick bay". ( his back is supposedly fine, but he has other issues, ie extreme sweating leading to dehydration, age etc.) |
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/31/2010 : 20:39:25
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Originally posted by Leafs81
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Originally posted by Beans15
Ya, or he might be in jail for a month, or get a stay sentence, or a multitude of other potential outcomes.
Regardless, even if Khabibulin is out of the mix for good, I am still not convinced that Niemi would be worth the trouble. Firstly, the arbitrator has his head filled in that he is worth nearly $3 million a season. Secondly, the Oilers would have to either eat 2 of the deals of their goalies or find new homes for them.
And for what??? The Oilers are not going to win any more with Niemi than without him and by the time the team is good enough to win, who knows where Niemi will be, how much money he will want, or if he will be worth anything.
Vesa Toskala anyone????
There's one Toskala fan in the hockey world (other then his family and friends) and that's Beans...
Kudo's to you Beans you never gave up on this guy, and really maybe he could bounce back and if he does well you were the one believer.
I was a big fan of Felix Potvin back in the days and when he started getting worst I always thought he could get back to form then he had one good run with LA and that's it. But he did had that one good run
I wasn't saying anything to be a fan of Toskala. What I intended is using him as an example of a Finnish goalie who played somewhat limited games on a very good team and signed for big money with a different team. Rightly or wrongly, he is now playing over seas. Just a fews season removed from playing with SJ in the playoffs.
Niemi could be very similar. No one knows. Point being, it's not worth the risk considering the 4 goalies the Oilers already have signed. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/31/2010 : 20:51:51
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After reading the stories out there about Khabibulin, I have to say the guy is a complete idiot. Seriously, do the time. 30 days turns into like 12 with good behaviour. It would be in a minimum security country club and he would be back in Edmonton in mid September with a couple of weeks to knock off the rust before the start of the season.
But no, he would rather do the appeal and potentially get an unfriendly judge that says no to the 30 days and gives him 180 days, giving the Oilers a very legitimate out for the contract.
Wow, I am shocked. |
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irvine
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Posted - 09/01/2010 : 03:38:37
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Who appeals a drinking and driving conviction, really?
You were caught "bottle-handed", speeding while intoxicated.
You were sentenced to the MINIMUM sentence allowed by law in the State of Arizona, and yet that is not good enough? Above the law, or?
Honestly, the guy would serve 10-15 days on good behavior... now he risks a heavier sentence and delays the inevitable.
Really though, when you get the minimum sentence for something you clearly did, you do not appeal...
Irvine/prez. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 09/01/2010 : 08:36:19
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yeah, I agree, like I said before, he should just serve it and get it done, get to camp, and move on.
Apparently he is appealing based on the grounds that the blood/alcohol level was just over double (.164 reading, .16 is double), but with those readings there is a +/- 5% confidence level. If you take the argument that his reading was off by 5%, that takes him below the .16 double reading, and therefore nullifies the extreme DUI charge and jail time altogether.
A risk for sure. We'll see how it affects him, and the team, over the season until the appeal is heard |
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Leafs81
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Posted - 09/01/2010 : 13:11:18
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by Leafs81
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Originally posted by Beans15
Ya, or he might be in jail for a month, or get a stay sentence, or a multitude of other potential outcomes.
Regardless, even if Khabibulin is out of the mix for good, I am still not convinced that Niemi would be worth the trouble. Firstly, the arbitrator has his head filled in that he is worth nearly $3 million a season. Secondly, the Oilers would have to either eat 2 of the deals of their goalies or find new homes for them.
And for what??? The Oilers are not going to win any more with Niemi than without him and by the time the team is good enough to win, who knows where Niemi will be, how much money he will want, or if he will be worth anything.
Vesa Toskala anyone????
There's one Toskala fan in the hockey world (other then his family and friends) and that's Beans...
Kudo's to you Beans you never gave up on this guy, and really maybe he could bounce back and if he does well you were the one believer.
I was a big fan of Felix Potvin back in the days and when he started getting worst I always thought he could get back to form then he had one good run with LA and that's it. But he did had that one good run
I wasn't saying anything to be a fan of Toskala. What I intended is using him as an example of a Finnish goalie who played somewhat limited games on a very good team and signed for big money with a different team. Rightly or wrongly, he is now playing over seas. Just a fews season removed from playing with SJ in the playoffs.
Niemi could be very similar. No one knows. Point being, it's not worth the risk considering the 4 goalies the Oilers already have signed.
Ah ok I misunderstood. I thought you meant that the Oilers should go out and sign him. hehe... |
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polishexpress
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Beans15
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Posted - 09/02/2010 : 09:16:43
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So here is an interesting question.
What was Chicago offering Niemi??? Does anyone know?? I have read reports of anything between $1 million and a little more than double his rookie contract at $1.75 million.
If the latter was true, he ended up making a killer $250,000 more this year and went to a team that did not win the Cup last season.
That being said, if SJ wins the Cup this year with Niemi as the back stop, he will absolutely get $4+ million a season. It could turn into a brilliant move by the Fin.
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Posted - 09/02/2010 : 11:23:01
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Niemi signs a 1 year deal worth 2 mil. Good Job, Antti! You now have the chance (halfway there) to play ordinary in goal, and win two cups with two different teams . . . both with dominating and deep defences. And, you have the chance to further pad your stats on a great team, and get an even better contract next year. I like the way Niemi's agent thinks!
But for me, it's a bit of a weird signing in some ways . . . as the other goalies on San Jose's roster are around the same level IMHO. Nittymaki is not a bad goaltender, and certainly is a very competent back-up, if not ready for a tandem position. And Greiss - a goalie that a lot of Sharks fans are really hot on - looks to be in the same position right now, while possibly being the goalie of the future.
So, with the signing of Niemi, I am almost thinking Nittymaki or Greiss will be traded . . . because I don't think either of them should be in the minors.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 09/02/2010 : 11:34:56
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What was Chicago offering Niemi??? Does anyone know?? I have read reports of anything between $1 million and a little more than double his rookie contract at $1.75 million.
If the latter was true, he ended up making a killer $250,000 more this year and went to a team that did not win the Cup last season.
That being said, if SJ wins the Cup this year with Niemi as the back stop, he will absolutely get $4+ million a season. It could turn into a brilliant move by the Fin.
There were only rumours about the deal CHI was offering, but the most consistent ones I read was a 2-3 year deal @ just under 2M per year. However, once the arbitrator awarded him his contract, CHI was bound to that deal or no deal. Any other team was free to sign him for whatever they wanted - hence SJ's deal.
I agree, this is a good move by Niemi, but ultimately, his possible moves were severely limited - only 4 teams interested, and likely none of them offering anything long-term. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 09/02/2010 : 14:12:06
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Cary Price signed for $5.5 million over 2 years.
Well, pretty close to crazy, but at least the guy has more than 100 NHL games. Say what you will about him, but last season was conidered 'horrible' and he still had a GAA under 3 and a save % over .910.
It's obvious that the Habs don't have long term faith in the kid with just a 2 year deal, but they did give him more than what I think he would have/should have gotten on the open market so they have at least some faith in him. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 09/02/2010 : 14:42:34
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| yeah, I'm not sure if the Habs got good value - but for only 2 years, if Price continues to do poorly they can walk away sooner rather than later. I figured this deal would come in around 2M per year for 2 years. Price was pretty adamant that he didn't want to be locked up for very long at a discount rate. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 09/02/2010 : 17:16:45
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| I think the Price deal is good for both sides. The Habs can get out in a relatively short time if he doesn't come through and for Price, if he proves himself to be anywhere near what he's shown flashes of, his next contract will reward him sooner! |
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 09/03/2010 : 14:54:54
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Penguins sign comrie to a 1 year 500 k deal.
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irvine
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Posted - 09/03/2010 : 22:28:35
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The Colorado Avalanche have re-signed last years leading goal scorer (for the team), to a 2-year, $6MM deal. Chris Stewart will earn $3MM per season.
Great re-sign.
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 09/04/2010 : 12:56:09
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Jonathon Cheechoo accepts a tryout with the Dallas stars. I actually really liked the way Cheechoo played in Ottawa just not at 4 million a season. I think he could be a good 3rd/4th liner without the pressure of a huge contract.
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 09/10/2010 : 12:46:55
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Andrew Cogliano resigns in Edmonton terms not yet released.
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Beans15
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Posted - 09/10/2010 : 13:47:49
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Andrew Cogliano resigns in Edmonton terms not yet released.
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky
1 year, $1 million.
Looks like a put up or shut up deal. Cogliano has been a disappointment based on his potential prior to the draft. He's gotta step up his game and produce. |
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Posted - 09/11/2010 : 05:00:31
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For some reason, even though they are different types of players, with Cogliano I am reminded of the struggles the Leafs organisation had with Antropov. Full of potential, has skill, needs lots of time to grow and learn.
He could be the guy that, like Antropov, is putting up 60 points on the first or second line some day . . . but will the Oilers wait for more than a year? I doubt it, with the amount of young talent they have, there are sure to be other possibilities cropping up in a year's time.
Cogs will have to put up a great season to stay, I agree.
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Beans15
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Posted - 09/14/2010 : 11:01:42
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Bobby Ryan - $25.5 million for 5 years.
I think this contract might end up biting the Ducks in the junk. Although Ryan is younger and ultimately more skilled, this deal still reminds me a bit of the Penner deal. (On a side bar, Penner had as many points and goals last season getting a million less per year on a far inferious team for anyone who thinks the comparison is unreasonable.)
This deal is only solid if Ryan continued to improve. I think it's more likely Ryan will continue to stay at the 35ish goals per year mark, however if he slips to the 25ish level, he is overpaid. I admit I have not watching more than 5-6 games a year of Ryan, he is a very talented offensive player but that's really it. Does little to nothing on the back end in the games I have watched and really has never looked to be an impact player. He is a silent assassin I guess. For $5+ million a season, anything less than 35 goals without stepping up the rest of his game is going to be an overpayment. |
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Posted - 09/15/2010 : 07:09:46
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It's hard to say about Bobby Ryan really . . . even though he scored 31 and 35 goals the last two seasons, I don't think he has the skill of a guy like Kessel, and his numbers are inflated by who he plays with - namely, Getzlaf. But then again, he brings a bit more to the table than a Kessel does in terms of going hard to the net and in the corners, and is a somewhat physical player.
Still, like Beans said, he could easily become a Penner and be overpaid. I like the signing though, as Anaheim had to keep him.
Sometimes you have to overpay a bit to keep who you want, that's business.
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