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Jumbo Joe Rocks
PickupHockey Pro
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 Posted - 07/12/2010 : 11:26:45
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That guy stole my quote I will think of a new one .Just kidding I would never change mine.
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Guest2884
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 11:28:34
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I realy would want that autograph.Fine I will change my quote.
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Guest4769
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 12:23:38
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lol well well boys look who was right eh? haha theyre about to match the offer, i think u guys owe me some apologizing
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 12:47:22
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TSN is reporting that the Blackhawks will match. 
I am surprised as this really forces their hand for another move and does not assure them draft picks in return.
As far as an apology, I wouldn't hold your breath. I can't speak for anyone else, but I have little regard for a 'guest' who makes wild claims that can not be proven. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2010 : 12:55:21
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well, it looks like Brent Seabrook's anonymous friend is correct - CHI matched the offer sheet for Hjalmarsson.
So now, CHI has 100K in cap space to sign a goalie, 2 dmen, and 3 forwards.... yeehaw! |
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Tiller33
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 13:14:41
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Now how the hell they Ice a full team is beyond me.
Hire a hitman to kill Campbell and Huet?
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
410 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2010 : 13:23:49
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Now this is how it will work out...
Hitman idea is possible
It is safe to say Antti Niemi is now a San Jose Shark that was Doug Wilson's plan all along.Overpay Hjalmarsson then if they match, no room for Niemi,then Doug Wilson signs Niemi they have a goalie.
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
410 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2010 : 13:27:51
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Guest4769[/i]
[br]lol well well boys look who was right eh? haha theyre about to match the offer, i think u guys owe me some apologizing
GO LEAFS GO
Ok i'm sorry for saying you were wrong.Now guest 4769 what what is your next prediction.Please tell me Seabrook told you Niemi is a Sharks.I'm keepin my fingers crossed.I'd rather Hjalmarsson though
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Tiller33
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 13:30:04
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[i]Originally posted by Guest4769[/i]
[br]chicago will match ,sharp will be traded to the leafs by tuesday
We still going to have Sharp by tomorrow?? lol |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 13:39:34
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I think you're dreaming Jumbo Joe - no way is CHI going to let Niemi get away IMO, they'll match him faster than they did Hjalmarsson. But hey, I thought CHI would let Hjalmarsson walk too, so I'm 0fer with CHI RFA's.
If they matched this deal, then they must already have plans to make room - certainly that must mean losing Campbell and Huet. There has been talk that Huet will end up in Europe next year (and fully off the books even if CHI covers some of his salary), but either way they'll eat that salary out of the cap.
Campbell will be harder - CHI has to move a 7M contract (for the next 5 years at that price), and effectively take on no additional salary in return. CHI can't even afford to buy Campbell out, the cap hit on a buyout would still be 3.5M-ish for many years to come. There are only a couple of teams in the NHL that can take on that contract and send nothing back, that also have enough draft picks to offer up for Campbell (NYI, ATL, COL, STL). I'm not sure if any of them have a need for a $7M defenseman. Oh also, he has a limited NTC - he can designate 8 teams that he is willing to be traded to.
EVEN IF they lose both Huet and Campbell, they'll have 13M cap space to sign 10 players. If you think that Niemi is going to get 4M of that, that leaves 9M for 9 players - a backup goalie, 5 dmen, and 3 forwards.
And then, they have to somehow find 5M more to resign Seabrook after this upcoming season. Its a good thing CHI won the cup last year, cause it really was their last year to do so. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2010 : 13:41:47
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| If they can't move Campbell's contract off the books, either via trade or bury in the minors and eat it, the only other option would be to move one of their 3 top forwards - Toews, Kane, or Hossa. |
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Guest4769
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 13:45:37
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| yup sharp will be a leaf by the end of tomorow |
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Tiller33
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 13:46:31
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I wonder If Stan Bowman and Garth Snow have had any talks regarding Brian Campbell.
The Islanders have 20 players under contract and are still $5 million below the Cap floor. The Islanders have the most cap room of any NHL team with $28 million in cap space and aside from Mark Streit have no legitimate defenceman on their roster.
They are one team that I could see taking on Brian Campbell if the package was right. |
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Tiller33
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 13:47:35
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[i]Originally posted by Guest4769[/i]
[br]yup sharp will be a leaf by the end of tomorow
Lol promise? Don't toy with my fragile Leaf fan emotions, that would be cruel. |
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Beans15
Moderator
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 13:53:15
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[i]Originally posted by Tiller33[/i]
[br]I wonder If Stan Bowman and Garth Snow have had any talks regarding Brian Campbell.
The Islanders have 20 players under contract and are still $5 million below the Cap floor. The Islanders have the most cap room of any NHL team with $28 million in cap space and aside from Mark Streit have no legitimate defenceman on their roster.
They are one team that I could see taking on Brian Campbell if the package was right.
Here is the problem with the Brian Campbell/Thomas Kaberle/Offensive puck moving PP QB kind of defensemen.
Every team needs one and will give up a lot to get it.
However, no team needs 2. In the case of the specialist defender, 2 is a crowd.
The Islanders, with Mark Streit, have thier puck moving prototype. They don't need another. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 14:20:43
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But wait they said they intend to,And they are going to match maybe its a trick.LOL
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Tiller33
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 14:24:52
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Wasn't trying to imply the Islanders would be addressing a need but Charles Wang has a penchant for overpaid players with somewhat of a big name. And if the Islanders could bring in a first rounder as part of the deal I could see them being interested.
Regardless of the price Campbell would be an upgrade from anything the Islanders have.
@ 4769 have you heard what Toronto is offering?? I would assume a young defenseman (Aulie or Gunnarsson) and maybe Rynnas?? |
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Guest2779
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 15:32:56
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| guest 4769 please let us know of anymore future signings. I like your guaruntees. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
410 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2010 : 15:47:42
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[i]Originally posted by Guest2779[/i]
[br]guest 4769 please let us know of anymore future signings. I like your guaruntees.
I know you are Pickup Hockeys predictor.Please let us know.Oh and ya know if Seabrook says anything about Niemi to SJ tell us.
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 15:53:37
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Wasn't trying to imply the Islanders would be addressing a need but Charles Wang has a penchant for overpaid players with somewhat of a big name. And if the Islanders could bring in a first rounder as part of the deal I could see them being interested.
Regardless of the price Campbell would be an upgrade from anything the Islanders have.
Erm Tiller, I think you're selling Streit pretty short. That guy is an awesome offensive dman, with as good or slightly better stats over the last 3 years than Campbell. All while toiling for one of the worst teams in the NHL.
Beans is right - teams that have one offensive dman specialist don't really need 2. Campbell and Streit are the same type of dman.
Also, regarding NYI - there is a reason they are so far from the cap - they have no intention of spending up to the cap until they get better and get more fans coming to games. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 16:38:08
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4769.......while i don't particularly feel i owe you an apology, i will say this:
If Patrick Sharp is traded to the Leafs tomorrow then my prediction is this:
guest 4769 = Stan Bowman |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 17:13:55
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I hope Stan Bowman has better things to do right now that post on pickuphockey.com  |
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Guest4769
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 18:10:58
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| no guys i am just god, yes thats right i am GOD, ok, sharp will be traded by the end of tomorow |
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Tiller33
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 18:24:44
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[i]Originally posted by Guest4769[/i]
[br]no guys i am just god, yes thats right i am GOD, ok, sharp will be traded by the end of tomorow
Well then if he is, I will build several Churches in your honour. Ha Ha |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 22:42:01
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| perhaps our guest is Paul the octopus....now that world cup is done, he needs to find something else to keep him away from the sushi chef. |
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Posted - 07/13/2010 : 05:33:18
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This thread has taken several turns, all entertaining . . . especially with guest 4769 getting his bold prediction of Chicago re-signing Hjalmarsson correct - despite almost everyone, including myself, disagreeing with this. Looks like the Hawks (Bowman) wants a sound defensive core first, and a top notch, deep offense second.
Kudos to the guest for getting this right . . . but it's a double-edged sword, my friend, I know this myself from past successes. You could get the Sharp thing wrong and tomorrow, they'll pile on you.
Although, between you and me and the deep blue sea, I sincerely hope you are right and Toronto gets Sharp . . . he is a legitimate first line player in my mind who just happened to play the second line in Chicago behind Kane and Toews . . . and I think his numbers would look even better with more ice time.
Couple of good cheap prospects sounds about right . . . for a very desperate team to get under the cap. But they'd have to be decent quality, so I can see Bozak or Hanson included if it goes down.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 07/13/2010 : 08:52:51
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Couldn't agree more Slozo. Not with the "piling on" so much, although you're prob right, but with the fact that Sharp is a legitimate first line player on many teams in the league! If the Leafs can swing this and not give up too much, kudo's to my good buddy Burke (dripping with sarcasm).
As for the guest, it's actually pretty scary that he got that prediction correct as very few in the hockey world saw the Blackhawks matching that one! Maybe he does have some inside info? Either way, i'm still shocked they matched, and i think they may regret it next year..... |
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Guest5474
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Posted - 07/13/2010 : 08:54:36
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I know you are Pickup Hockeys predictor.Please let us know.Oh and ya know if Seabrook says anything about Niemi to SJ tell us.
GO SHARKS GO
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david pollack from the mercury news has said that niemi will not be coming to the sharks
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 07/13/2010 : 09:09:07
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[i]Originally posted by Guest5474[/i]
david pollack from the mercury news has said that niemi will not be coming to the sharks
Sorry, but unless you're guest4769, i won't believe anything you say |
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 07/13/2010 : 09:15:21
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The Blackhawks have officially screwed themselves financially.
By matching that offer sheet, they now have to ship more players out in order to become cap compliant. And, take on less salary in return. It's going to be tough.
They also have messed up plans to keep Seabrook. As, next season, finances will be tight as well.
Looks like Chicago must have a big move planned. Hossa?
Irvine/prez. |
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Posted - 07/13/2010 : 09:19:37
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Well Alex, I think the choice to match the offer for Hjalmarsson was a product of the playoffs . . . this year, it seemed like it was made clear to many GMs that defence wins the cup. Myself, I think this is like a wind that can change any given year, and I still believe it starts with the goalie out . . . but a lot of moves this off season seem to have been directly influenced by the two teams that made the final, and by what "offense first" teams didn't make the finals.
I also think Chicago will regret this move. They won't regret Hjalmarsson, but they will regret the offense they will surely have to lose because of it - Sharp (4.2 mil) and Bolland (3.3 mil) are the two guys I can see moving, but not many teams out there will have huge interest in Bolland I think.
Except maybe the Leafs, who are looking for a legitimate top line center . . . problem is, it'd be a gamble to think Bolland can become that guy. The potential is there, though.
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Guest5474
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Posted - 07/13/2010 : 09:58:35
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[i]Originally posted by irvine[/i]
[br]The Blackhawks have officially screwed themselves financially.
By matching that offer sheet, they now have to ship more players out in order to become cap compliant. And, take on less salary in return. It's going to be tough.
They also have messed up plans to keep Seabrook. As, next season, finances will be tight as well.
Looks like Chicago must have a big move planned. Hossa?
Irvine/prez.
hossa......................or maybe sharp!!!!!! uh uh maybe guest 4769 is no joke |
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Guest4769
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Posted - 07/13/2010 : 11:14:59
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| ok boys big news for u............................................ alright sharp was supposed to go to the leafs today but something has come up and brian burke was not answering his phone so the trade will be postponed till thursday |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 07/13/2010 : 11:54:42
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[i]Originally posted by Guest4769[/i]
[br]ok boys big news for u............................................ alright sharp was supposed to go to the leafs today but something has come up and brian burke was not answering his phone so the trade will be postponed till thursday
WTF??? He didn't answer when you called??? What an A-HOLE!!!  |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 07/13/2010 : 12:31:18
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so if Sharp is TOR-bound, what on earth can TOR give up to make it a worthwhile trade?
Sharp would be a sought-after commodity for many teams - he is not a first-line C on most teams (he might be with TOR), he would be a solid second or very solid 3rd line choice - and can play wing as well. He is awesome on the PK and plays a very responsible defensive game, but can do good things on the PP. Good for 50 points a year.
I can imagine that Sharp is now on the block. I cannot imagine that TOR is capable of packaging the best return value.
Unless they're shipping Versteeg back the other way  |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 07/13/2010 : 12:53:42
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[i]Originally posted by nuxfan[/i]
[br]so if Sharp is TOR-bound, what on earth can TOR give up to make it a worthwhile trade?
Sharp would be a sought-after commodity for many teams - he is not a first-line C on most teams (he might be with TOR), he would be a solid second or very solid 3rd line choice - and can play wing as well. He is awesome on the PK and plays a very responsible defensive game, but can do good things on the PP. Good for 50 points a year.
I can imagine that Sharp is now on the block. I cannot imagine that TOR is capable of packaging the best return value.
Unless they're shipping Versteeg back the other way
Kadri and 1rst round pick in 2011 - 2012
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 07/13/2010 : 14:05:47
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I don't think Chicago's asking price will be huge for any player they ship out. The best they can do, is take on minor league players, prospects and draft picks.
That being said, teams know, Chicago HAVE to make these moves. Teams will likely for Chicago's hand in taking less, by pointing out they have no choice in whether or not to move these guys.
Chicago would take a prospect + a 2nd for Sharp I'd say. Or, a 1st with nothing. Chicago are not in a position to negotiate. They can some, of course. But, they can not hold out forever.
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 07/13/2010 : 15:40:05
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Kadri and 1rst round pick in 2011 - 2012
Yeah, I think CHI would take that.
Question is, would TOR give that? I should have phrased my question differently - "what *would* TOR offer to get Sharp"? |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/13/2010 : 15:41:52
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I don't think Chicago's asking price will be huge for any player they ship out. The best they can do, is take on minor league players, prospects and draft picks.
True, I don't think their asking price is huge, and other GM's will be lowballing. However, they will have a lot of teams making offers, and perhaps a bidding war ensues. At the end of the day, I don't think that TOR would be willing to offer the best package to get Sharp.
Note, willing to offer...as Patsy posted before, they are certainly able. |
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Tiller33
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 07/13/2010 : 15:52:04
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[i]Originally posted by Guest4769[/i]
[br]ok boys big news for u............................................ alright sharp was supposed to go to the leafs today but something has come up and brian burke was not answering his phone so the trade will be postponed till thursday
Bahaha, hilarious so much for those churches |
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Niklas Hjalmarsson-San Jose Sharks 
