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nuxfan
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 Posted - 10/19/2010 : 21:04:05
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For those of you that didn't see tonight's beatdown in MIN, it was bad enough that the Canucks got shelled - its pretty much becoming an October tradition to suck in October. However, Rick Rypien, on his way to being ejected from the game after his second fight of the night, appeared to reach into the stands to grab a fan that was cheering his ejection. The fan *almost* gets pulled down into the alley, but Malhotra gets in the way in time and Rypien goes on his way to the dressing room. Both fans were instantly ejected.
At the time the commentators indicated that the fan must have reached in towards Rypien (which is a no-no) because Rypien is not tall, and he grabbed him pretty easily. The Canucks bench was in an uproar, and the fans were ejected pretty quickly. However on replay, there is no indication that the fan was doing anything but cheering, and Rypien appears to reach into (the apparently low) stands and grab the guy.
I'm thinking a suspension will be forthcoming, esp if the league decides that Rypien reached in on his own. I'm thinking he'll get 10 games - thoughts?
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Guest4116
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Posted - 10/19/2010 : 21:42:22
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| Actually both fans were given upgraded seats and not ejected at all. They were later spotted by the radio commentators in even better seats than what they had. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 10/19/2010 : 22:04:46
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| ha, didn't know that. |
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Guest3099
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Posted - 10/19/2010 : 22:10:31
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NrPP2CnidI
Feast on that.
Nothing too big, but certainly not a wise move. It doesn't look like there was any attempt to pull him down, he just grabbed the guy's jersey. It was pretty much unprovoked though, so I'd agree with first guy and say 10 games would be reasonable. Maybe even a good dozen. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 10/19/2010 : 22:20:16
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Really stupid thing to do on Rypien's part. Can't imagine what the guy said but it doesn't matter. Definitely a suspension will be forthcoming.
As for the guys getting better seats, i'd be shocked. I don't think it's fair to toss them out, but it seems that security does just that, 99% of the time!
If in fact they got upgrades, i'd love to hear about it!!!
ETA... Just heard on Sportsnet Connected that they were taken to other seats! If it's really not just a rumour, it's about time an arena got it right! Seen so many fans get the boot when they prob shouldn't have! |
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ToXXiK1
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 10/20/2010 : 04:54:13
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Saw it on tv last night, and, yes, the fans got moved to windows seats away from the bench. I think this will be the highest suspension to date, as the NHL has to protect it's most valuable asset, the paying fan. There's no excuse for this, these are grown men, "professional" men, getting paid big dollars to play a game. Even if the fan was heckling (which didn't seem to be, just clapping his hands) the "proferssional " has to act accordingly and take it in stride. If this was the NFL or the NBA the giant hammer would come down on the player. It'll will be interesting for the outcome, hopefully a swift one.
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Posted - 10/20/2010 : 07:27:12
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| the one guy was clapping rypien shoved him then the other guy tried to push rypien off him |
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 10/20/2010 : 07:33:40
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No, he grabbed the guy with 2 hands on the front of the jersey trying to pull him down out of his seat. Maholtra stepped in between and the fan's friend was trying to push him off.
Agreed Nuxfan, it seems to be a reoccuring tradition for Luongo to take a month or so to get going, but, he will get going. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 10/20/2010 : 10:14:13
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There was more wrong with the Canucks last night than Luongo, they were horrible all the way through. They have always had problems on the road in October, and this year is no different it seems - despite a better start at home than in years past.
Rypien has been suspended indefinately as of today - no doubt to keep him out of tonights game while they decide what to do with him. There is so little precedent for this sort of action in the NHL that I honestly don't know what the suspension will be. 10 games was my first guess, but I'm now thinking that 10 games will be a minimum. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 10/20/2010 : 10:40:45
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I think the kicker to this 'investigation' will be what the NHL assumes the fan to have said or done to set off Rypien. If it was nothing more than the fan cheering for Rypien getting kicked out they the book will be thrown at him. If the fan did or said something that would be distastefull(comments regarding sexuality, racial slur, etc) then the NHL will be a little softer.
I would suspect that 10 games is a reasonable benchmark. The report I read said it would be a minimum of 5 games based on a face to face hearing scheduled for Friday. What ever that means.
Pretty classless act for a pretty classless guy. It 's unfortunate that kind of act usually shines a poor light on the entire organization but it really does come down to one guy being a completely tool. I would love to see the Canucks put the guy on waivers once his suspension is done. |
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Posted - 10/20/2010 : 10:51:40
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| #$&^ happens in the heat of the moment, but what an idiot. You work all your teen years and junior years to make it to the NHL and you don't have the discipline to not go after a fan on the way out... Idiot. Doesn't matter what, if anything, the fan said or did. I-D-I-O-T! |
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Alex116
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Posted - 10/20/2010 : 11:05:20
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While i have to assume the fan did in fact say somthing, it makes no difference. No way should this ever occur!!
Heard someone trying to defend Rypien this morning saying they should have better separation from the fans? While it did seem like he had very easy access to this fan, it's a ridiuculous statement! There's just no excuse! Take basketball for instance, and yes, there are major incidents that have occured such as the Ron Artest and co. fiasco a few years back, and consider how easily the fans and players could interact if they really wanted to or tried to.
I was somewhat sad to see this incident occur as i've always liked Rypien as a good fighter for his size and a guy with a little more skill than a lot of "goons". While i know things happen "in the heat of the moment", this, as well as the late punch he threw in that melee looks really bad and doesn't shed a good light on the entire team / organization.  |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 10/20/2010 : 11:13:16
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Pretty classless act for a pretty classless guy. It 's unfortunate that kind of act usually shines a poor light on the entire organization but it really does come down to one guy being a completely tool. I would love to see the Canucks put the guy on waivers once his suspension is done.
No doubt you would, so he doesn't keep beating up your Oilers 
I don't think the Canucks will get rid of Rypien, he is actually a pretty good 4th line player, he has some hockey skills (as compared to others in his role) and fills our enforcer role as well - often taking on players well outside his weight class. He's pretty popular with the team and the fans. Even more important, they don't really have anyone else to take his place.
Before this incident, he had no other disciplinary incidents of note, other than fighting during games. He has a history of injuries, and took a personal leave a couple of years ago as a result of the injuries. I would hesitate to call him "classless" in general, although this latest incident is certainly that.
EDIT - I don't think this sheds a negative light on the Canucks in general. Rypien acted alone, and in a surprising manner, there was nothing to indicate that he might do what he did, and the Canucks were pretty quick to step in before it got really bad. No one in the organization has defended his actions, nor will they (I hope). This is simply a very bad personal decision made by an individual player. |
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Posted - 10/20/2010 : 11:15:32
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| hahaha rypien could be suspended for 3 different instances within about a minute last night. First he sucker punched Staubitz, then he was tied up with the official and it looked like he was trying to grab him by the neck, then he decided to have a little fun with a fan. I like the fact he showed some emotion compared to the rest of the team he just let it get the better of him and made several mistakes because of it. He will get between 10-15 games more then likely, and i doubt vancouver puts him on waivers unless they plan on bringing andrew peters up. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 10/20/2010 : 15:10:42
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Nuxfan, 'pretty good 4th line players' are in high supply. A team does not need a guy who is going to, a) toss sucker punches at the other team, b) start fights in a 6-1 game, or c) grab a fan for any reason.
Guys like this are a black mark on hockey, their team, and them selves. Regardless of him acting alone or not, he does represent the team when he is in uniform or in street clothes. Anyone remember the fiasco last season when the 'some' of the Oilers were involved in a dispute over the bill at a Calgary restaurant?? It wasn't Moreau, Horcoff, and Staios who were mentioned, it was members of the Edmonton Oilers.
He did act as a Canuck and his team should ensure he is punished for those actions. |
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Posted - 10/20/2010 : 15:38:02
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| beans its the leagues issue to deal with rypien and punish him for his actions, he does represent the canucks i understand that, and if the league was to do nothing about it i agree that the managment at that point should hand out some sort of punishment themselves. However im sure good ole mr campbell isnt gonna let Rick off the hook and will punish him approprietly. |
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Posted - 10/20/2010 : 16:29:32
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| it also looks like the fan that rypien grabbed has consulted a lawyer and is claiming that he was "assaulted" and if it wasnt for his brother he would of been dragged over ledge. HAHAHAHAH i dont know whose a bigger idiot, rypien for grabbing and pushing the guy or this fan for getting a lawyer involved ( must be a relative of steve moore, probably is already wearing a neck brace and being pushed around in a wheelchair) |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 10/20/2010 : 17:29:06
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Beans - I think you are overreacting a bit here.
Players that play the role of enforcer throw sucker punches all the time, and get into fights in 6-1 games all the time - it is their job. And, Rypien got penalized for both with a double minor and misconduct. As for attacking a fan, this is Rypien's first incident of this nature, and I don't think the Canucks will simply drop him on the waiver wire because of one incident. I don't think any team would do that to a player that they value. Nor do I think the Canucks will hand out any additional discipline over and above whatever the league dishes out.
He will be rightly suspended by the league, and when thats done the Canucks will welcome him back and move on. I would be very surprised if anything else happened, beyond whatever the league hands down.
Rypien is actually quite a bit more valuable than the average 4th liner, IMO. He not only plays a very physical role and drops the gloves when required, but he is an excellent PK forward and quite good in the faceoff circle. He also shows some real skills around the net. And he does it all for $550K. There are not too many 4th line centres lying around that can do that. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 10/20/2010 : 18:19:10
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Nuxfan - I think you are reacting as a fan of the team this meatball plays for. If Rypien played for say, Columbus, you would not care nearly as much nor think he was as good as you think he is.
And no, Enforcers don't fight often in 6-1 games, at least in my opinion they should not. Take a look back on my comments about MacIntyre vs Ivanans when the Oilers were up 4-0 in Calgary if you don't believe me. It's stupid and pointless. Did I mention that this would have been Rypien's 2nd fight against the same guy when the score was 6-1?? What is he trying to prove??
Ultimately, what you just described in Rypien is at least 2-4th line players for every team in the NHL. For example, Edmonton has Colin Frasier and Ryan Jones that fit the exact bill that Rypien does. Weather you like it or not, Rypien's do grow on trees. There are 100 Rypien's in the AHL alone today, not counting them on every other NHL team. I bet none of them would attack a fan if they got thrown out.
And I could not disagree more on the sucker punch and let me explain what I mean. When two players are being separated by the linesman, for any reason, and one players strikes the other it is a sucker punch. That does not happen a whole lot at all. I do agree that an enforcer will throw a punch to an unsuspecting player at times, but that player has an equal chance to throw down and give him one back. Not when the linesmen are between them.
It's cowardly.
I stated what I would love to see, not what I think I am going to see. And your comment "this is his first incident with a fan" is what I make my assumption of your opinion as a fan of the team on. No NHL player should ever have a 1st incident with a fan. Ever. Period. In my world, it is completely unacceptable for a professional athlete to have lost his composure to a point to lay his hands on a fan in a violent nature.
What we can agree on is what will likely happen, which is the NHL will fine/suspend him and he will be back playing those bang up 4th line minutes(all 6 to 8 minutes) a night.
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fanoleaf
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Posted - 10/20/2010 : 18:40:20
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Not sure if anyone watched Off the Record today or not.
Landsburg had Tiger Williams on the phone and they were discussing the incident. Tiger was very supporive of Rypien and essentially said that he does not blame Rypien. He said who knows what the fan was doing to him during the game.
He went on to recount a time during his playing career and the visiting fans kept pouring beer on his team and did this everytime they played. He said that he followed the guy coming down towards the bench with a pitcher of beer and smashed him over the head with his stick. He explained in a fair bit of detail.
He also said that if he were running the league, he would bring the player to head office to show that he was addressing the situation and then thank the player.
The interview was crazy. Landsburg said that they will chat again tomorrow. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 10/20/2010 : 20:00:19
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If Rypien played for say, Columbus, you would not care nearly as much nor think he was as good as you think he is.
I probably wouldn't have as much insight into what kind of player he is because I would not watch him every night.
We can agree to disagree. I'm pretty happy with having Rypien as a Canuck, and I do think he is better than a lot of 4th liners in the NHL. At least that I see. If these "hundreds of players in the AHL" are so great, why aren't they playing for NHL teams?
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And no, Enforcers don't fight often in 6-1 games, at least in my opinion they should not. Take a look back on my comments about MacIntyre vs Ivanans when the Oilers were up 4-0 in Calgary if you don't believe me. It's stupid and pointless
Your opinion and what actually happens are two different things. Fights happen in a lot of games when the game is out of hand and one team is getting badly outplayed. Ivanans and McIntyre is a good example of what actually does happen. Condone it or not, but it is certainly not uncommon.
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And your comment "this is his first incident with a fan" is what I make my assumption of your opinion as a fan of the team on. No NHL player should ever have a 1st incident with a fan. Ever. Period. In my world, it is completely unacceptable for a professional athlete to have lost his composure to a point to lay his hands on a fan in a violent nature.
I agree, no player should have an incident with a fan - I'm pretty sure I didn't say otherwise. What I meant to allude to was, this is his first incident with any action that is suspend-able. It just so happens that it was with a fan. If he'd made a cheap headshot, I might have said "this is his first incident with a headshot". I think you're looking for some sort of bias that is not there. Rypien did wrong, and he should be suspended, and I would think pretty harshly. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 10/20/2010 : 20:03:57
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fanofleaf - I've seen a couple of interviews today regarding this, and there is a surprising amount of sympathy for Rypien, I honestly didn't think there was another side to see here. There has been speculation that the fan might have said something extra-ordinarly bad (MG alluded to as much), there was criticism of the stadium that the alley was not covered, and there was some "well it was the heat of the moment" talk too.
I don't get it - there is just no excuse for what happened. I will be floored if Rypien does not get at least a 5 game suspension from this. And a bit surprised if it is only 5. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 10/20/2010 : 20:37:37
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We do agree on a few things so I will not flog a dead horse, however I would like to comment on the 'why are they not playing in the NHL' comment regarding all the guys in the AHL that are just like Rypien.
Very simple. There are 3-4th line positions on each of the 30 teams so there are only 90 4th-line spots available. If the NHL all of a sudden allowed 15 forwards rather than 12, those guys are in.
Rypien may be one of the better 4th line guys (I don't personally see) but fine. He is still a rather insignificant player who played around 8 minutes a game and everything he brings to the table is completely replaceable with a large number of players.
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Guest3099
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Posted - 10/20/2010 : 21:45:44
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| I personally think that what Rick Rypien did is bad, and he should totally have gotten a penalty for it. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 10/20/2010 : 22:16:33
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| Beans - ok, fair enough. You are right, there are limited positions and more players. FWIW, Rypien has one of those spots while hundreds of others do not, so the Canucks must think he brings something to the position that those others can not bring. |
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Posted - 10/21/2010 : 04:48:18
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Pretty brutal.
Brutal in regards to bad decision making, brutal in regards to how some people can spin it as having some merit, and trying to defend it.
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1) I think he should get 10 games. Doesn't appear to be any kind of physical prodding beforehand by the fan, and he was in a position where that would have been impossible during the game - so there are no extenuating circumstances. Period.
Those people arguing about what he might have said have no clue how these things are looked at in terms of morality, law and policing. If there had been physical confrontation before the physical "assault", that's different - it would mean that the player responded at the same level, or thereabouts.
This was not the case.
2) Tiger Williams is a complete idiot. I don't think I need to elaborate.
3) Rypien most certainly does represent the Canucks everytime he plays for them, wears the sweater, etc - and even off the ice to some extent, it can be argued. So yes, 100%, it reflects badly on the Canucks organisation.
If this had been the first time the Canucks had a player do something this stupid, one might be able to shrug your shoulders and say, "what can you do? Can't control the player . . . and hopefully the Canucks do the right thing and distance themselves from the guy."
This is very, very far from the first time. They deserve everything they get, frankly.
Another black eye for the NHL as well.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 10/21/2010 : 10:07:54
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If this had been the first time the Canucks had a player do something this stupid, one might be able to shrug your shoulders and say, "what can you do? Can't control the player . . . and hopefully the Canucks do the right thing and distance themselves from the guy."
This is very, very far from the first time. They deserve everything they get, frankly.
Again, I'm pretty certain that zero will happen to the Canucks organization from this, nor should it. This is not like the Bertuzzi incident, where there was implied organizational involvement and the league came down hard (rightly) on the Canucks. This is the action of one player, who happens to be a member of the Canucks. With the exception of Malhotra's initial comments, the team has been both supportive of Rypien and adamant that what he did was wrong - which is what I would expect from any team in a situation like this.
Do you think that Doan's headshot a few days ago reflects badly on the Coyotes organization?
Guest3099 referred to a lot of sympathy and support being expressed for Rypien in the hockey world, which I found surprising. This is an example of such an article: http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Columnists/Stevenson/2010/10/20/15766366.html. I guess it's a viewpoint... |
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 10/21/2010 : 10:16:56
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| I don't know if I buy that excuse, but, maybe they can dome the rink like the arcade hockey game?? LOL |
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Posted - 10/21/2010 : 11:21:52
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nuxfan - you ask the question "don't you think Doan's actions reflect badly on the Coyotes organisation?" as if my reasoning only applied to the Canucks.
It doesn't.
Of course Doan's late hit looks a little bit bad for th Coyotes . . . but it's really miniscule, comparitively. I mean, it was a hockey play that took place on the ice, first off . . . it was badly misjudged, and a poor decision - but it took place on the ice. And it didn't involve an innocent, paying fan after the play, off the playing field.
To compare the two incidents as potentially reflecting equally badly on each organisation is, well, ludicrous.
What colour sunglasses does a Canuck fan wear? 
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nuxfan
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Posted - 10/21/2010 : 13:08:34
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Slozo - the incidents may well be different in scope, but the involvements of the respective *organizations* in both are identical - zero. Neither organization trains the respective player to play that way, neither team's coach said "go out and do x", and neither organization condoned what happened after the fact, and I'm pretty sure that neither organization would be very happy if the same thing happened again, or if there were further incidents of bad behaviour. I really see very little reason to look down on the organization as a whole for the unthoughtful and isolated actions of one of their individuals.
Our sunglasses are the same colour as everyone elses I think - I guess we just agree to see things differently through them.  |
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Alex116
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Posted - 10/21/2010 : 13:27:39
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This is great, i love not being online for an evening and the following morning after an incident like this. You see, i then get to come on here and read all the comments and say to myself, "This is exactly what i expected to read". I'm not kidding guys, i could have hacked into some of your computers and written those posts for you! So predictable 
Again, i don't condone what Rypien did, but i don't think it warrants him being exiled from hockey, kicked off his team, etc. I'd be willing to bet that if in fact the Canucks got rid of him, there'd be more to it than we know of. In that, i mean, they'd have other reasons and would be using this as an out. Doubt it really, as it's not that tough to get rid of a player to begin with.
A few other notes...
The guy getting a lawyer, while humorous, is pretty typical of the world we live in nowadays! I can't wait to hear what he's expecting to gain out of this? Pain and suffering? lol....
Rypien is def replacable, but then again, almost every player is to a point. I do think the team sees enough in him though that he won't be let go, otherwise he'd not have been treated so well over the past few years by the club. Obviously they like something they see in him....A LOT!
Yes, it looks bad on the organization (Canucks) but so do a lot of things that happen to every team. Look at the Colts player who was found drunk swimming in a city canal? NFL and NBA players and their domestic disputes, carrying guns, etc, the Heatley / Snyder incident, Milbury going into the stands, Domi and the guy in the penalty box, etc, etc. These things of course look bad for both the league and the team(s) involved, but certainly not to the point of something such as the Bertuzzi thing! Speaking of which, Slozo, and bear with me as this is just a "what if", but what if Tippett had told Doan to go out and do what he did? It'd be very much like the Bertuzzi incident, only Bertuzzi's was obviously much more damaging! The thing with the Bertuzzi incident was the unfortunate result. If he sucker punched Moore, fell on him, etc and there was no serious damage, that incident would be more or less forgotten today. Either way, it still looked bad for the organization / team, regardless of the reasons he did it for.
Beans, i have to disagree with your take on fights in blowouts. They don't happen every time by any means, but they certainly aren't uncommon. I think you're letting your view on fighting in general affect your take on these as i know you're strongly against fighting. Fact is, Van / Minny have developed a serious hatred / rivalry over the past 5 or so years and these fights are often used to "send a message". FYI, Minny is in town (Vancouver) for a game tomorrow night. Obviously Rypien won't be around for it, but i'd be willing to bet money that he knew he'd be seeing them again soon! Fighting may in some peoples minds be ridiculous and useless but the fact remains, it's currently part of the game!
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Posted - 10/22/2010 : 04:40:16
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Typical "homer" defence . . . you partially admit to something, then bring up all sorts of other incidents, most of which have zero bearing or resemblance to the one we are talking about.
I totally get why Beans hates Vancouver with a passion.
I will tell you, if and when a Leaf does something this stupid, I tell you what my reaction will be - kick him off the team, I don't want him. I kid you not.
I am not going to get into the Bertuzzi incident thing again, Alex116 . . . your choosing to leave out details of the defence of his actions by the Canucks organisation, the fact that Marc Crawford the coach was very culpable, they all combined for a much bigger smear on the Canucks organisation, for sure. Comparing a hockey hit gone wrong (Doan) to an assault on the ice AFTER THE PLAY (Bertuzzi) is patently ridiculous. You choose to leave out these facts, which make it an obvious apples to oranges situation, because yes, you are a Canucks fan, and not looking at it impartially.
Look for the Canucks organisation to try and soften anything Rypien did in typical hockey-goon defence style . . . demean the assault as nothing, imply that the fan was saying something really terrible (otherwise, why would he just snap like that?), make all kinds of stories about how we should condone players getting emotional and caught up in the moment, etc etc. This kind of damage control never ends, when there is little accountability. After the game, a teammate and the coach stood behind Rypien's actions . . . need we say more?
I stand by my call, that the suspension should be fairly long . . . it's an assault on a fan in a situation where the fan did not physically aggravate the player; it was after the play; and frankly, the player has issued no public apology or statement (puzzling to me).
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 10/22/2010 : 06:24:07
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Has anyone heard when a decision on this is coming down?
Last I heard it was to be today? (Fri) |
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Alex116
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Posted - 10/22/2010 : 09:03:21
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Originally posted by slozo
Typical "homer" defence . . . you partially admit to something, then bring up all sorts of other incidents, most of which have zero bearing or resemblance to the one we are talking about.
I totally get why Beans hates Vancouver with a passion.
I will tell you, if and when a Leaf does something this stupid, I tell you what my reaction will be - kick him off the team, I don't want him. I kid you not.
I am not going to get into the Bertuzzi incident thing again, Alex116 . . . your choosing to leave out details of the defence of his actions by the Canucks organisation, the fact that Marc Crawford the coach was very culpable, they all combined for a much bigger smear on the Canucks organisation, for sure. Comparing a hockey hit gone wrong (Doan) to an assault on the ice AFTER THE PLAY (Bertuzzi) is patently ridiculous. You choose to leave out these facts, which make it an obvious apples to oranges situation, because yes, you are a Canucks fan, and not looking at it impartially.
Look for the Canucks organisation to try and soften anything Rypien did in typical hockey-goon defence style . . . demean the assault as nothing, imply that the fan was saying something really terrible (otherwise, why would he just snap like that?), make all kinds of stories about how we should condone players getting emotional and caught up in the moment, etc etc. This kind of damage control never ends, when there is little accountability. After the game, a teammate and the coach stood behind Rypien's actions . . . need we say more?
I stand by my call, that the suspension should be fairly long . . . it's an assault on a fan in a situation where the fan did not physically aggravate the player; it was after the play; and frankly, the player has issued no public apology or statement (puzzling to me).
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
WTF? Did you even read my post? It appears not? Perhaps you just skimmed through it and saw the name Bertuzzi and started frantically typing the above? Either that, or maybe you're drunk this fine Friday morning, cuz your reply makes little sense to me? I dunno, maybe i'm the drunk one? |
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Beans15
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Alex, I did read your post very clearly and I have to agree to about 95% of what Slozo said. I believe that if this was to have involved a different player and a different team than you views(as well as Nuxfans) would be completely different.
What I read through your post was a number of comments that ultimate came down to, "Ya it was bad, but so was this, this, this and this." Who cares if the members of a football team got drunk and swam in a canal?? It is irrelevant and that is the kind of comment that justifies Slozo's statement about your inability to be impartial on this matter as you are a fan of the Canucks.
My views on fighting are also irrelevant. Regardless of the score, from what I have watched through various different media outlets is this: Rypien is being separated by the linesmen while attempting to fight the same guy for a 2nd time in the game, sucker punches the Staubitz in the face when the linesman had Staubitz's hands tied up, gets kicked out of the game (justifiably) then grabs a fan on the way to the dressing room.
I don't care what the score is, what player is involved, what team they play for, or anything else. It is completely unacceptable and nothing can be said to make it justifiable in any way shape or form. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 10/22/2010 : 09:44:09
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nope, you're not the only one...
Alex, I would give up at this point. No matter what you (or I) say at this point on the subject - short of advocating a 40 game suspension and that the Canucks trade Rypien to Siberia yesterda - we're probably just going to be painted as biased Canucklheads...
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nuxfan
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Posted - 10/22/2010 : 09:59:27
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verdict is in. 6 game suspension, 25K fine on top of pay lost due to suspension. That suspension includes the CHI game that he missed due to the indefinite suspension.
Details are here: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/10/22/sp-rypien-suspend.html
I have to say, I'm a bit surprised by how light this suspension is. |
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Posted - 10/22/2010 : 10:00:03
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| 6 games , sorry slozo.........and what about domi and the philly fan? did you ask for him to be dismissed from the leafs after that incident? i doubt it, sounds like you just have your leaf ginch in a bunch because theyve lost the last 2 games and you thought after the first 4 this was the year. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 10/22/2010 : 10:02:30
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quote:
Originally posted by nuxfan
nope, you're not the only one...
Alex, I would give up at this point. No matter what you (or I) say at this point on the subject - short of advocating a 40 game suspension and that the Canucks trade Rypien to Siberia yesterda - we're probably just going to be painted as biased Canucklheads...
Thanks for the sarcasm. It's not a fluke that the people attempting any kind of justification are Canuck fans.
I don't think anyone is saying anything about 40 game suspensions. Would I want him on my team after this?? Absolutely not. But that's me. My job affords me the luxury of contolling who works for me and who doesn't. People that don't act in an ethical and professional matter at all times while working are not part of my team. If others would have them, great. But not me.
I think the 6 games is a little light personally, but when looking at the other similar actions that have happened in the NHL, it is consistent. |
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Then I guess you missed the point too, nuxfan. Because neither I, nor Beans, nor anyone else here is advocating what you propose, nor demanding it from you. So, put away your ridiculous strawman argument and try actually basing an accusation on fact.
Besides, Siberia's team - HC Yugra, playing out of the subarctic town of Khanty-Mansiysk - wouldn't even want Rypien. They only want skilled players
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Guest 4803 - again, another incident that was completely different, and you still have to pretend to know what I thought about, and add on some stupid comment about the Leafs.
Domi was being physically assaulted DURING A GAME by a fan. I use the criminal term - he had beer poured on him. And, then the glass broke, and the fan and glass fell on Domi, if I am correct in my memory. That was when Domi retaliated. It was aggravated assault, during a game, where the entire incident was initiated by the Philly fan.
Do you really think that isn't just a wee bit different than randomly trying to initiate an attack against a smiling, clapping fan?
And for the record, Domi was not my favourite player, but I could live with him - he earned his keep as a hockey player. He had a bit of skill, and could still put up a 20 point season without hurting the club defensively.
Cannot say the same for Rypien.
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