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Awesome One
PickupHockey Pro
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 Posted - 10/28/2010 : 14:27:50
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Marian Hossa is once again on the shelf.
Do you think he can now be considered injury prone?
So the guy walks into the bar with a dog and starts to watch the oilers game. They score and the dog does a flip in the air. The bartender says "That was cool, what does he do when they win?" to which the guy replies "I don't know, I've only had him for 15 years."
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 16:31:41
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you mean he wasn't considered injury prone before?
He hasn't played a full season since 06/07. |
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Awesome One
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 17:10:54
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True.
So the guy walks into the bar with a dog and starts to watch the oilers game. They score and the dog does a flip in the air. The bartender says "That was cool, what does he do when they win?" to which the guy replies "I don't know, I've only had him for 15 years." |
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polishexpress
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 17:22:26
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Exactly! Hossa was always an injury risk. In a pool, I always shy away from Gaborik, Hossa, and Havlat. Funny, they are all Slovaks(or from the Czech Republic)-no racial bias intended-(czechs and slovaks are essentially family-look at my forum name).
Why the hugely long signature A-One?(Kind of distracting when reading your posts... especially since I'm an Oiler fan! ) |
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Beans15
Moderator
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 17:26:16
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Wow, litte hostility here, no??
Hossa has 832 games in 11 NHL season. That means he averages just under 76 games a year.
Last year was the first season he was really 'injured' missing 25 games. Outside of that, he has missed 10 games or less for 9 straight years and 7 straight years of mssing no more than 4 games. Even this injury should only keep him out of maybe 6 games.
Yep, super duper injury proned I guess. Considering last season 150 players were involved in 80 games or more and just 88 who played all 82 games. Using the the 30 teams, 21 skater roster(not including goalies) there are fewer than 1 in 4 players who actually play an entire season and only 2-3 players on each team that play 80 games or more.
Hossa and his mid to high 70 games is above the league average and far from being able to say he injury proned. |
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Guest4412
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 20:38:26
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nuxfan
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 20:59:19
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Beans, how about these averages:
- first 8 seasons: avg 81 games a year
- last 3 seasons: avg 67 games a year.
I care more about the trend. After 8 years of no injuries, he then started getting injuries. 72 games in 07/08, 74 games in 08/09, 57 last year (his first really big injury), and now injured again. Random? Another injury in the slow move to injury prone as he gets older? Time will tell.
No one said "super duper injury prone", why is it always extremes with you? I certainly would not put him into the same group as Gaborik, Havlat, or the undisputed "King of the IR" Sami Salo, and it would not make me shy away from him in a pool as he's nearly a PPG player when playing - although I would not take him in the first round. But he's missed at least 8 games each year for the last 4.
When you think of players that will probably get injured in a season, you think of players like Havlat, Gaborik, Gagne, Elias, Cole...and Hossa. It is what it is. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 21:32:38
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It's not always extreme with me, but whatever. Gaborik is injury prone. Karyia was injured proned. Forsberg was injury prone. To make a comment like 'you mean he wasn't injury prone before?" is more than a little premature. As you said, he is a PPG player and even at 67 games is better than half the entire NHL.
What's annoying is people making comments that are unsubstantiated by anything reasonable. What happens if he misses 4 games and then comes back to play the rest of the season. Is is still injury prone??? |
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polishexpress
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 22:54:27
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Although I wish I had a stats machine in my head, I don't.
The reason I classified Hossa with injury prone players was that his years in Atlanta were for me years in ignominy. (I really thought he was injured a lot those years, but just my brain making up memories)
Another was that, like nuxfan pointed out, Hossa has been injury prone for the last three years, playing only 57 games(reg season) last year, 74 with Detroit, and 72 with ATL/PIT in years previous.
Thus a thread asking "Do you think he can now be considered injury prone?" was deserving of "duh" response.
In my opinion, he already was injury prone. I would take only a little more risk on Hossa in a pool than I would Havlat or Gaborik. My justification for that classification is age and multiple previous injuries.
The older the player, the more likely to be injured. The more injuries suffered, the more likely the recurrence of injuries, usually similar in nature.(No beans, I have not statistical correlations, means, averages, deviations, or normal populations to prove the likelihood of recurring injuries, but I'm sure you do!  ) |
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Posted - 10/29/2010 : 07:57:25
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Ha ha, it was good to read Plish Express admit to being wrong, and then say, "screw it - I will stay with the first opinion that didn't have much merit to it at all!"
Classic.
After a good stats 'dressing down' by Beans, it is clear that no, it isn't a huge trend for Hossa to be "injury prone". In my personal use of that category, the player has to have had at LEAST two seasons that were 'lost to injuries (playing 30 games or less), with at least one or two other seasons of less than 60 games.
In today's NHL, it is very tough to play a full season. Hossa, since he became a f/t player, has played 80 games or more in a season 6 times, and over 70 games 3 times. Last season was the lone season for him to play less than 60 games (57).
If he is out for about two weeks this time, that might mean 5, 6 games. To call him injury prone would be, IMHO, hilarious.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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polishexpress
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 10/29/2010 : 08:18:35
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Should I also admit that I don't like Hossa very much?
But ya, I know there is no full-blown proof that he is injury prone. My negative opinion of him in the first place is what makes me point the finger when gets injured and say: "see, I told so!!"
Can't stand a guy that chases glory at his teammates' expense, (switching to teams he thought had the best shot at the cup). I really wonder if he stayed with Pits(and Pits could afford him) whether Pits would have had a date with Chi-town in the finals last year. Maybe not, but its worth wondering.
Thanks for appreciating the comedy of my comments Slozo!
BTW @Beans: I want standard deviation next time you use average!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted - 10/29/2010 : 09:57:16
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Polishexpress - and I am glad that you can take my comments with such levity and grace.
Looks like three weeks for Hossa, so perhaps it turns into something closer to ten games? I hope not, as I picked him up in my draft pool and one other pool!
I am with you on the opinion of Hossa personally . . . he really has shown himself to have zero allegience to any team, a true free agent gun slinger who can put up the points. You're right, Pittsburgh really needed him last playoffs, when both superstar centers weren't quite playing at their very top level. For their depth, they need both Malkin and Hossa to be the best players on the ice, and it's hard to have that happen every year, although they are both capable of it.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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Awesome One
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 10/29/2010 : 21:01:57
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Beans makes a very good point, last year was Hossa's first with one long term injury. It's a shame, I believe he hit 100 points in 2007 before the injuries
So the guy walks into the bar with a dog and starts to watch the oilers game. They score and the dog does a flip in the air. The bartender says "That was cool, what does he do when they win?" to which the guy replies "I don't know, I've only had him for 15 years." |
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 12/01/2010 : 07:12:05
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And he is hurt again! Out 2-3 weeks with a lower body injury.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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Guest4746
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Posted - 12/01/2010 : 09:46:00
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To the guys dissing Hossas free agent tactics.....Why the frick cant he do what he did?? He played in the leauge for a long time on a loosing team and has a strong desire to win. After 2 years with 2 different teams he signed a 8 year deal. That tells me he is showing he wants to be a Black Hawk for a long time.
I shake my head at the guys that dont respect him on that alone because thats a weak argument,
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Guest4178
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Posted - 12/01/2010 : 10:12:56
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I got a kick out of Polish Express's humorous comment about Hossa, Havlat and Gaborik all being Slovaks, and it got me thinking. Maybe it's hockey players with female first names who are injury-prone?
Hossa: Marian
Gaborik: Marian
Havlat: Martha
Gagne: Simone
Kariya: Paul(a)
Cole: Eric(a)
And the all-time most injury-prone player:
Clarke: Wendy
Honourable mention: Lindros: Eric(a) |
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Guest4178
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Posted - 12/01/2010 : 14:25:34
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| And you can add Ales Hemsky to the list of oft-injured players with female first names! Just a curious observation. Hope this doesn't take away from the serious comments expressed with this topic posting. |
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Hossa injured, AGAIN!!!! 
