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doublechamp7
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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 Posted - 11/21/2010 : 19:36:04
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Poll Question:
Who is the greatest leader in the history of hockey?
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Awesome One
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
505 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2010 : 19:39:02
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Stevie Y all the way!
Greatest capitain ever!
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
591 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2010 : 19:40:30
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gotta be the great one
Go OILERS Go!!! |
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/21/2010 : 21:17:46
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Of those not on the list, Ray Bourque was a pretty solid leader.
Irvine/prez. |
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Utemin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
451 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2010 : 22:17:13
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Make that 2 for Ray Bourque
The Monkey is me |
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Guest4178
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Posted - 11/22/2010 : 14:00:10
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I would have to go with Steve Yzerman.
Orr is an interesting inclusion to this poll, especially since he never captained the Bruins. I'm not sure if you need to be a captain to be considered a great leader though – Orr definitely lead with his play on the ice. Another consideration – the Bruins went without a captain from 1967-1973 (Orr's greatest years), with Johnny Bucyk "bookending" as captain the year before, and for a few years afterwards. Maybe with Orr, Esposito, Bucyk and Cashman on the roster, the Bruins didn't feel the need to pick one of these players to fill this role, and went more with leadership by committee?
Another great leader worth mentioning is Bobby Clarke. He captained (and inspired) the Flyers to two Stanley Cup championships. |
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Guest4967
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Posted - 11/22/2010 : 15:03:23
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| the answer is yzerman but classy joe sakic and ray bourque were pretty solid |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 11/22/2010 : 17:18:16
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| should Shane Doan really be in that list? |
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Guest0409
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Posted - 11/22/2010 : 19:15:02
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HEY!
Messier!
Done. Win.
*I had more in my head, but my last beer was stronger than anticipated. Bed. |
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HawkinOilCountry
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
318 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2010 : 19:15:56
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Oh geez
That was me.
Win!
The arena wall in chicago should be credited with a goal. |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/22/2010 : 19:41:16
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quote:
Originally posted by nuxfan
should Shane Doan really be in that list?
yess and very much so he deffinetly is onw of the better leaders on that list , he isn't the best by any means but he is in my opinion the best by far in the NHL right now. so yeah on the list he belongs and then some
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Guest9729
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Posted - 11/23/2010 : 06:46:00
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Wendel Clarke. The guy led by example, carried the team on his back and probably had his career cut short by the way he played
Too bad he never got a ring |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 11/23/2010 : 09:29:07
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yess and very much so he deffinetly is onw of the better leaders on that list , he isn't the best by any means but he is in my opinion the best by far in the NHL right now. so yeah on the list he belongs and then some
The best in the NHL right now? Doan? I mean, sure he's a good captain and all, but the best in the NHL right now? And one of the 10 best of all time? No way. |
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Guest6135
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Posted - 11/23/2010 : 15:32:35
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Utemin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
451 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2010 : 17:42:29
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Messier Best on that list Domination victory
Ray Borque is still better though.
The Monkey is me |
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HawkinOilCountry
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
318 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2010 : 08:30:15
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Domination Victory Wins yes Messier. He meows all the cats. To him I have feelings of joy.
The arena wall in chicago should be credited with a goal. |
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doublechamp7
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
278 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2010 : 14:01:12
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| Orr was never a captain, but just leading by example he may have been the best |
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Yewcandoit
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 11/24/2010 : 23:40:00
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I choose Steve Y.
Sakic, Bouque, and Messier were all good too.
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Mario 66
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 12/31/2010 : 07:53:55
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Out of the list I have to say Mario Lemieux not being biased. Only because he single handidly took the organization from obscurity hands down the worst in the league to the most dominant team in the league in the same time frame that Gretzky, Yzerman, Messier, Sakic & Bourque where in their primes. He lead those teams and literally carried them on his back. Never much of a vocal leader but he definetly lead by example. Not to mention when he took them out of the basement he had far inferior teammates to the players listed above with the exception of Sakic.
I was astonished Sakic wasn't on the list & Doan was.
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Beans15
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Canada
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Posted - 12/31/2010 : 08:33:14
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quote:
Originally posted by Mario 66
Out of the list I have to say Mario Lemieux not being biased. Only because he single handidly took the organization from obscurity hands down the worst in the league to the most dominant team in the league in the same time frame that Gretzky, Yzerman, Messier, Sakic & Bourque where in their primes. He lead those teams and literally carried them on his back. Never much of a vocal leader but he definetly lead by example. Not to mention when he took them out of the basement he had far inferior teammates to the players listed above with the exception of Sakic.
I was astonished Sakic wasn't on the list & Doan was.
Lemieux owns Gretzky
Taking nothing away from Lemiuex, but you are significantly under-stating the impacts the other players on those early 90's teams had. Lemieux did not done anything with Pittsburgh until the additonal talents came. He far from did it 'single handedly' when you consider HOFer's like Coffey, Jagr, Trottier, Murrphy, and Francis. That 3 of the top 10 scoring players in the history of the game in Lemieux, Francis, and Jagr. Let's not forget that Recchi will be a first ballot HOFer and guys like Stevens and Tocchet, and Mullen were far from slouches. And, although some would say not one of the best of all time, Barrasso was on of the top 5 keepers in the game during that run in the early 90's.
Again, not taking anything away from Lemieux. He was amazing in leaving by example. Not being able to tie up his own skates but still playing. Coming back from Hodgkins. The list is a mile long of things he did to lead by example.
However, to say he did it all in PItt 'single handedly' is so far from the truth it's not even funny. 6 current HOFers and 1 future HOFer is more than what even those monster Oiler teams in the 80's had. Significantly more than Sakic or Yzerman had in their prime as well.
Not bias??? Are you sure??? |
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Mario 66
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 12/31/2010 : 10:39:19
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Please Beans re-read my post
(Not to mention when he took them out of the basement he had far inferior teammates to the players listed above with the exception of Sakic.)
If i recall i said he took a team from obscurity which would mean when he came into the league for the first 6 yrs he single handidly made that team a quality team . Jagr was drafted in 89 or 90, Barrasso was in Buffalo, Francis was in Hartford, Coffee in Edmonton, and the list goes on. When Lemieux broke in the league he played with Rob Brown & Bob Erie. Care to show me what hall of fame stats they had?
I never said lemieux single handidly won two cups and made pit the best team in the early 90's i would think seeing i am a pens fan that i knew that guys like Francis & Coffee were a significant part of the glory yrs but also where apart of the equation well after lemieux broke into the league.
When Yzerman broke into the league he played with Federov
Gretzky & Messier played with half the hall of fame when they started.
Sakic with a solid Peter Statsny
Lemieux with Rob Brown & Bob Erie (I fail to see the bias)
Had i said Lemieux was the only reason pitt was ever significant then i would validate your point. I said he simply led and inferior team when he broke into the league with no hope an no help in sight.
Since Lemieux lead by his play and was the most dominant player in the league when all the other guys where in their prime thus is why i chose him as the best leader.
Lemieux owns Gretzky |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 12/31/2010 : 11:12:18
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No point in arguing anyone's opinions on this question really. Yeah, you can argue some facts they throw out to back them up, but what really determine's a great leader? Is it Messier because of his great promise of victory in '94? (he sure as he77 didn't "lead" us to much when he came here).
Really with most of the guys, including Sakic and Stevie Y, it becomes who was successful as a captain / leader with their teams? All i EVER hear out of Phoenix is how great a leader Shane Doan is. Sure he's a good player, but he's not in the class of Sakic, Yzerman, Messier, etc as far as stats etc, but what really does he bring to his team? Do we even know the answer?
I'll tell you this much, he's gotta be doing something right to be constantly talked about in this sort of argument with some of the most talented offensive players to ever play the game! |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 12/31/2010 : 12:28:07
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the only reason Doan is being talked about in this thread is because doublechamp included him in the initial list of the 10 greatest leaders in the history of hockey.
Doan may be a good leader. Hell, he may be a great leader. But one of the 10 best leaders in the HISTORY OF THE NHL? Come on. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 12/31/2010 : 14:23:22
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Mario, without turning this into a Lemieux thing, you need to get some facts straight.
Gretkzy - Played with Ron Chiperfield and Blair MacDonald his first season. Who, you ask?? Exactly. Messier, Coffey, Anderson, Kurri, and Fuhr all came at different times over the next 3-4 seasons.
Yzerman - played in Detroit in 83-84. Fedorov did not play in the NHL until 90-91. When Yzerman broke into the league the Red Wings were Ivan Bodlirev and Ron Dugauy. Who you ask?? Exactly
Sakic - When Sakic first played in 88/89 Stastny, Goulet and the likes were on their way out. Sakic only played one season with those guys before they were traded. Sakic then played with a 40 yr old Guy Lefleur and Marc Fortier. Who you ask?? Exactly.
My point was that all of these players were solid leaders. Some of the best of all time. But NONE of them did anything on their own. Gretzky/Messier didn't do anything until Coffey, Kurri, Anderson, and Fuhr landed. Sakic didn't do anything without Forsberg, Hejduk, Bourque, and Roy were in town. Yzerman didn't do anything without Fedorov, Shanahan, Lidstrom and the crew were in the motor city.
And Super Mario was not a winner or a leader without Jagr, Recchi, Coffey, Stevens, Barrasso, and Murphy were all on the same team..
It's not a knock on Lemieux, it's a point that even the greatest players in the history of the game did not 'single handedly' do anything. |
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