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ryan93
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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 Posted - 02/25/2011 : 17:51:01
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On second thought, forget John Madden, i have the perfect guy for you. He brings veteran leadership, a Stanley Cup winning resume, great work ethic, excellent on faceoffs, good on the PK, and has a reputation of being a big game/cluth performer, everything you want in a 4th line center......Chris Drury  Please. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 02/25/2011 : 19:14:47
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My point is that if Vancouver can't find a single guy in their system to play 4th line minutes, how can they have anything better than that to move forward in the future.
Admittedly, I am trying to stir the pot a bit. You guys are tougher nuts to crack than those guys from out east!!
I did read a rumor today that had Marty Reasoner as a target for that 4th line spot. If Vancouver moves a nothing asset (future considerations/7th round draft pick) for a player like Madden, Reasoner, Neidermayer, than it would make sense. The whole thing is more than a 4th line centre. It is a 'what happens if an injury occurs' kind of player that can step up into the 3rd line if needed. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 02/25/2011 : 20:10:12
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oh, we have lots of guys capable of playing 4th line minutes for sure - any player should be capable of playing 5-8 minutes a game on a tough, energy-focused line. However - not every player thrives at it or is good in the situation.
If the Canucks cannot trade for someone natural in that role, they will be forced to go with someone from the farm, or internally. The key is finding a centre, not a winger.
- Glass could centre that line, as I said he's been taking faceoff lessons from one of the greats, and has centered that line in recent games. He's not a great centre though.
- Malhotra could step down and centre the 4th line, or even double shift as 3rd and 4th line centre. But the chemistry he has on the 3rd line is really good now, and the Canucks really don't want to unbalance those top 3 lines.
- Hodgson could do it in a pinch, but he's clearly not comfortable in that role. Beans, think about how Eberle would do as your 4th line centre on a regular basis...I know, not great.
Madden would make sense, I too heard Reasoner mentioned. Someone gritty, with size and tenacity, would be great.
Ryan, thanks for the laugh, Drury. Nothing like using your 4th line centre position as your highest cap hit on the team (highest by a million I think)  |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 02/26/2011 : 03:19:36
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Originally posted by Beans15
Admittedly, I am trying to stir the pot a bit. You guys are tougher nuts to crack than those guys from out east!!
I did read a rumor today that had Marty Reasoner as a target for that 4th line spot. If Vancouver moves a nothing asset (future considerations/7th round draft pick) for a player like Madden, Reasoner, Neidermayer, than it would make sense. The whole thing is more than a 4th line centre. It is a 'what happens if an injury occurs' kind of player that can step up into the 3rd line if needed.
Beans, i'll take that (in bold) as a compliment .
As for Reasoner, i too heard the talk / rumour about him being a possibility. I don't like it as much as Madden, Neidermayer and others though. While he brings a little grit, energy, etc to the table, i don't like the fact that he has very little playoff experience. He's played just 23 NHL playoff games. Not the kind of guy i'd like to see the Canucks pursue. Having said that, he's yet to play on a solid contender and maybe this would inspire him?
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2011 : 14:34:15
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The Vancouver Sun had a list of "used fourth liners" that might be on the Canucks radar:
- Reasoner
- Niedermayer
- Chris Neil
- Cody McLeod
- Cody McCormick
Reasoner seems the best fit in terms of being a centre and good production, but apparently the asking price from FLA is a second round pick - no thanks.
Neidermayer is a winger
Neil is a winger, and has 2M/year for 2 years left on a contract, which puts us over the cap.
McLeod is a winger, has struggled offensively this year, but is tough
McCormick might be a good fit, but don't know if BUF is buying or selling.
We'll see what happens. The article went on to talk about Madden, but apparently the Canucks are concerned about his "standards and conduct off the ice", and therefore chemistry. The last thing we need now is poison in the dressing room from a new addition that doesn't fit with the team. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 02/26/2011 : 17:10:44
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Interesting, wasn't it Madden who was pictured with Versteeg and Kane in the cab here in Van with the young ladies? Wonder if that's what it stems from. Maybe hanging with a bunch of young dudes in Chi didn't do him any good?
Funny, i always thought Niedermayer was a C? Guess it was Pahlsson that centered that very effective line in the Ana run? Wasn't it Nieds / Pahlsson / Moen? Don't suppose Pahlsson is available?
I don't know enough about Reasoner's game to judge really but as i said before, he doesn't have the experience i'd like to see them pick up and a 2nd rounder is too steep for sure! |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2011 : 23:26:30
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Interesting, wasn't it Madden who was pictured with Versteeg and Kane in the cab here in Van with the young ladies? Wonder if that's what it stems from
According to the Sun, that is exactly what it stems from. |
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Utemin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
451 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2011 : 16:54:52
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Hodgson, Tambellini, Rypien, Bolduc, Glass, Volpatti. All Canucks 4th liners. Sadly we are having issues with a few...
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 08:34:03
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Brian Burke (he's the GM of the Leafs, might have heard of him ) reported that he doesn't see MacArthur getting re-signed easily, but that it may not mean that he gets moved.
Myself, I am sorry to hear that . . . I have really liked MacArthur on Toronto, and he has been a huge surprise for us. Like his grit, he has talent, and I like his tenacity.
There would be a lot of contenders out there who might like a player like that, to add to a deep lineup on the second or third line. I am guessing that Burke is looking for someone to overpay if he really feels he won't re-sign.
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 08:41:35
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| Slozo, that def looks to be the case. Pretty sure Burke would like to hang onto him. Tell me something....what did you know about him before he came to Toronto? The reason i ask is because i knew little of him and just assumed he was a 3rd/4th line grinder. Did he suddenly find some skill? Was it just a matter of being given a chance and some ice time? Has he simply "clicked" with his linemates? Really, just where did this little mini breakout season come from because from everything i see, it was unpredicted. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 09:16:16
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I think MacArthur has always been a solid 2nd/3rd line forward, but definitely found himself with first line points and first line minutes in TOR this year. Could be a flash-in-the-pan, could be a breakout year.
These sorts of players must be the toughest ones to sign - they're coming of a pretty big year, and you have to make some sort of decision. The player is trying to cash in, the team wants to be sure they're getting the real deal, and don't want to pull a Horcoff (sorry Beans  ).
I would love to know a) what MacArthur is looking for and b) what TOR is offering. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 09:17:19
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| Apparently Richards willing to waive NTC for NYR only. DAL still wants to sign him |
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ryan93
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
996 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 09:25:07
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| I heard that earlier too...but according to the PR Brad just sent out, he hasn't waived his NTC for any team, and no offers have been presented to him as of yet. |
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 10:45:13
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I think MacArthur always had the POTENTIAL to be a top 6 guy, but just never blossomed into that guy. He was on the Canadian junior national team in 2005 that won a gold medal, and is still relatively young.
I look at MacArthur as a bit of a late bloomer, and although he has gotten top line minutes here in Toronto, he has earned every second of them. I can tell you for sure that management did not expect him to be a top line guy - maybe a second liner at best.
But for a contender . . . he'd be a great rental, I think. Salary-wise, very cheap for how he is playing . . . but Burke would not let him go without a first rounder coming back at the very least, if not a solid prospect with picks.
He's been the best abd biggest surprise for the Leafs (with apologies to Grabo and Reimer), and the best compliment I can give him is that I'd be very sad to see him go.
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 10:51:49
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But for a contender . . . he'd be a great rental, I think. Salary-wise, very cheap for how he is playing . . . but Burke would not let him go without a first rounder coming back at the very least, if not a solid prospect with picks.
He would be a great rental - but that is a steep price to pay for a pending UFA who has had one good season so far. I can't see anyone paying that much for MacArthur honestly.
So, what will i take for the Leafs to resign him? I'm guessing 3yr/9M at least, maybe 4/14 like Giroux got. |
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JonPolley
Top Prospect
Canada
49 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 11:28:28
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Los Angeles Acquires
F-Dustin Penner
Edmonton Acquires
D-Colten Teubert
1st-Round Pick (2011)
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Utemin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
451 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 14:27:02
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I was thinking that Nashville should have tried to recieve a forward. They have Weber, who is the new and improved Niedermayer a leginamate 1st line forward could = the cup!
with 8.4 million cap space,if the got Richards and Mac Arthur they would have a cup winning team!
1st line
Mac Arthur, Richards, Honqivst
Weber, Suter
Rinne
For Richards
Lindback
second round pick
minors player
For Mac Arthur
Franson
Dumont
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ryan93
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
996 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 15:22:13
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| The Preds weren't going to be able to get Richards with Lindback & a 2nd rounder. Dallas wouldn't be looking for a goaltender in return, and it would take a lot more than that package to pry him from Dallas. Any package surely would include a 1st rounder, and the Stars are in the playoff race so they were looking for young roster players in return. And of course he had a NTC, and he certainly wasn't waiving it for Nashville. |
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 15:35:14
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| Are the flames trying to open up a retirement home? Modin is and older, less talented Jokinen...if thats possible |
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ryan93
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
996 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 16:10:31
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| He's an upcoming UFA who's only owed $181,000 more this season, so he's a decent depth player for the Flames playoff drive. I'm not sure how much Modin has left in the tank though. |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
591 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 16:33:27
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Utemin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
451 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 18:56:10
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Originally posted by ryan93
The Preds weren't going to be able to get Richards with Lindback & a 2nd rounder. Dallas wouldn't be looking for a goaltender in return, and it would take a lot more than that package to pry him from Dallas. Any package surely would include a 1st rounder, and the Stars are in the playoff race so they were looking for young roster players in return. And of course he had a NTC, and he certainly wasn't waiving it for Nashville.
You are most likely right on that. . But however you must feel bad for Weber, stuck on a 2 man team, maybe 4 depending on how open you are to a hockey player being a star. (Oh wait Shane is on the team they are fine) Weber is likely top 3 defeneman still playing in the NHL. (*COUGH COUGH*)
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Trade Deadline 2011 - Predictions 
