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ryan93
PickupHockey Pro
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 Posted - 02/11/2011 : 11:51:53
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Originally posted by Guest8492
Spezza and Hemsky are the same age...
Spezza was born in '83, Getzlaf in '85.
Not even worth discussing, nothing against Spezza, but no GM in their right mind would trade Getzlaf for him. |
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 02/11/2011 : 12:06:56
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Originally posted by ryan93
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Originally posted by Guest8492
Spezza and Hemsky are the same age...
Spezza was born in '83, Getzlaf in '85.
Not even worth discussing, nothing against Spezza, but no GM in their right mind would trade Getzlaf for him.
You should reread the post you quoted, Getzlafs name isn't in it.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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ryan93
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 02/11/2011 : 12:31:11
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My bad  I read Beans post where he said Getzlaf is younger, and then just below it saw "Getzlaf & Hemsky are the same age..." quote...and yeah, i guess i should of read it a bit closer... |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/11/2011 : 18:03:33
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the oilers could of got getzlaf in the pronger trade back in 06, the oilers wanted lupul more though for some reason. Don't argue beans
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/11/2011 : 20:36:54
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Originally posted by sahis34
the oilers could of got getzlaf in the pronger trade back in 06, the oilers wanted lupul more though for some reason. Don't argue beans
Go OILERS Go!!!
Do you think before you type?
Do you have some sort of inside source with that information or is that just 'what the voices said'.
Between this ridiculous statement and the whole 'Thornton hit him in the neck' gobbelydegook you spouted before, I am starting to wonder if it isn't time they limited your computer time at the institution you are inhabiting.
I realize I am probably infringing on forum rules here, but for cryin' out loud, I feel my intelligence being insulted when I read your silliness, so I figure we are both guilty!
Thank goodness it's a forum and not a live conversation, I'm not sure how you could possibly speak as from your rhetoric, you talk and sit on the same bodypart! |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/11/2011 : 21:57:40
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Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
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Originally posted by sahis34
the oilers could of got getzlaf in the pronger trade back in 06, the oilers wanted lupul more though for some reason. Don't argue beans
Go OILERS Go!!!
Do you think before you type?
Do you have some sort of inside source with that information or is that just 'what the voices said'.
Between this ridiculous statement and the whole 'Thornton hit him in the neck' gobbelydegook you spouted before, I am starting to wonder if it isn't time they limited your computer time at the institution you are inhabiting.
I realize I am probably infringing on forum rules here, but for cryin' out loud, I feel my intelligence being insulted when I read your silliness, so I figure we are both guilty!
Thank goodness it's a forum and not a live conversation, I'm not sure how you could possibly speak as from your rhetoric, you talk and sit on the same bodypart!
Getzlaf was as good a prospect as lupul in 2006. The ducks would have traded him for pronger then.
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
591 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2011 : 22:04:21
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Getzlaf was as good a prospect as lupul in 2006. The ducks would have traded him for pronger then.
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getlzaf was 19th overall in 03, lupul was 7th overall in 02. Getzlaf's highest point total was 39 points at that point in his career
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 02/11/2011 : 22:40:32
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sahis....in all fairness, because a guy is picked higher doesn't mean a thing. Some drafts are deeper than others, sometimes players develop at different rates, sometimes teams are high on guys regardless of draft position and most importanly, sometimes a guy's size and position comes into play too. They knew what they had in both Lupul and Getzlaf and IMO, there's no way in the world the Oilers had a shot at Getzlaf in that deal!!!
The reason FER ripped you a new one, is because you come on here spewing crap that "the Oilers could have gotten Getzlaf instead of Lupul" which, unless you prove otherwise, is FAAAAAR from the truth!!! It's not up to us to prove you wrong, it's up to you to back up your claim with some facts.
I won't wait around for this proof..... |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 02/11/2011 : 22:49:23
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getlzaf was 19th overall in 03, lupul was 7th overall in 02. Getzlaf's highest point total was 39 points at that point in his career
The 2003 draft year is widely regarded as one of the deepest NHL draft years, ever. MA Fleury, Eric Staal, Horton, Vanek, Phaneuf, Jeff Carter, Dustin Brown, Seabrook, Parise, Getzlaf, Burns, Kesler, Mike Richards, Corey Perry, all in the first round. Hell, even the second round still produced Loui Eriksson, Shea Weber, Corey Crawford, Backes, Patrice Bergeron. Most players taken in that first round were projected to become stars, at least solid NHL players - and true enough, every single player selected in that first round is in the NHL today.
I think it safe to say that after year 1 with ANA, it was clear that Getzlaf was going to be big. I don't think ANA would ever have entertained trading him away for Pronger. |
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Mario 66
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/12/2011 : 06:21:11
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Odin i'd love to know your depth of knowledge on Corey Locke that makes him worth a bag of pucks? He's 26 or 27 leads the AHL in points, has been a ppg guy at the AHL level not to mention destroyed jr's. By no means is he worth Hemsky or Penner alone but as a throw in guy that would give the oilers a legitimate 3rd line centre and gives them the ability to move either Gagner or Cogliano for more prospects i hardly see the issue. Way to pick out a single line out of a thread as i have also mentioned Jared Cowen to move but i guess because he's still in the minors he's worth a bag of popcorn right?
So is Tim Thomas worth a bag of pucks as well?? Guy was a complete unknow tell his early 30's and now is arguably one of the best goalies in the world.
Thanks for adding some real depth to this thread with your plethora of knowledge o sorry i mean't ignorance
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Guest9794
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Posted - 02/12/2011 : 08:38:01
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Originally posted by Mario 66
Odin i'd love to know your depth of knowledge on Corey Locke that makes him worth a bag of pucks? He's 26 or 27 leads the AHL in points, has been a ppg guy at the AHL level not to mention destroyed jr's. By no means is he worth Hemsky or Penner alone but as a throw in guy that would give the oilers a legitimate 3rd line centre and gives them the ability to move either Gagner or Cogliano for more prospects i hardly see the issue. Way to pick out a single line out of a thread as i have also mentioned Jared Cowen to move but i guess because he's still in the minors he's worth a bag of popcorn right?
So is Tim Thomas worth a bag of pucks as well?? Guy was a complete unknow tell his early 30's and now is arguably one of the best goalies in the world.
Thanks for adding some real depth to this thread with your plethora of knowledge o sorry i mean't ignorance
Lemieux owns Gretzky
Look at Alex Giroux on the oilers. I believe he is second in the AHL for scoring but look where that got him on the Oilers.. |
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Mario 66
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Posted - 02/12/2011 : 08:45:28
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Is there a point to that guest?? You may want to add a little specificity to establish or clearify your point or are you simply saying he is second in point for the sake of it?
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Guest7936
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Posted - 02/12/2011 : 11:28:00
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Let me add a little specificity for him. Being a ppg player in the ahl is good if you are 18. If you are 26 or 27 and still playing in the ahl, there is a reason for that. Your point about Tim Thomas really belies a lack of hockey knowledge because everybody knows that goalies take the longest to develop, then defencemen, then forwards. Forwards are usually at their career peak around 26 or 27. So if your telling me you have a guy that is 26 or 27 and still playing in the ahl, that is a career ahler and, while he might be able to break the fourth line on an nhl team, is not exactly gold.
The oilers probably should have been able to get getzlaf or perry or something for pronger, but K-lowe is a dunce. But if you want to talk about the oilers getting getzlaf, they could have drafted him or a host of other allstars in 2003. Instead they opted to trade down and got pouliot and jacques. Now thats quality scouting. |
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Mario 66
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 02/12/2011 : 12:11:44
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"Your point about Tim Thomas really belies a lack of hockey knowledge because everybody knows that goalies take the longest to develop, then defencemen, then forwards"
Belie means disprove or contradict i believe the word you where looking for was emphasizes, highlights or stresses a lack of hockey knowledge but solid effort with the english language. K-I-S-S
Goales such as
Fleury, Vokoun, Ward, Lundqvist, Quick, Luongo, Mason, Price, Hiller, Miller, Rinne, Backstrom, Brodeur........ I could continue going on all these elite level goalies that broke into the league that have been says since a ung age but my little known hockey knowledge and vocabulary do not allow me to continue on.
Mentally goalies develop late and rely more on awareness & hockey iq as they age, talent wise they reduce with age as they are typically less agile with the exception of Thomas but thank you old wise guest. Typically, it is defensman who blossom late and why is this?? There are usually those who excel in the offensive or defensive zone very rarely a complete package d coming into the nhl.The D must improve the other half of their game along with adjusting to the speed at the nhl level and adapting to the array of moves that high level forwards possess in their arsenal.
Your point about Locke may very well be correct and only time will tell but if you read through the entire post you would see i said Jared Cowen is an option to. Leading scorer in the AHL is insignificant right? Would that not mean you are the best offensive player in north america's second highest level of hockey which means surely you possess the skill set to play at the nhl level instead teams feel it is more significant to have guys like Carcillo, Cooke, Avery, Orr, who all bring an element to the game but little to increase the flow & skill set of the game??
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