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Pasty7
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 Posted - 02/18/2011 : 10:10:23
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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=354402
Kaberle for Boston's first round pick and prospect Joe Colbourne,, this should be a win win trade
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Pasty7
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Posted - 02/18/2011 : 10:15:31
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http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/joe_colborne
just checked out Joe's profile on hocke's futur they have him listed as the bruins second best prospect behind Seguin,,, kid is 6 5 and a center maybe in 2 years time the Leafs just traded for their number 1 center... Now that i think of it this is a huge win for the leaf's... unless Boston re sign's Kabby,,, now the leaf's have 2 first round picks this year and picked up to good former first round prospecs in Gardner and Coborne,,, we may all have been wrong about Brian Burke
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Leafs81
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Posted - 02/18/2011 : 11:19:47
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Wow! Thanks for sharing. A young 6'5 center plus a first round.
Now hopefully Boston and Philly will both lose in the first round :) Probably not as I think they will battle in the eastern final. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/18/2011 : 11:34:26
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I wouldn't say we were all wrong about Burke. I still would say many people believe the moves he is making now are the moves he could have and should have made 2 years ago. They are still well behind the rebuild plan and these moves are still indicating a rebuild 2.0 mentality.
However, I will say the Leafs future looks a lot brighter today than it did 3 weeks ago. Time will tell. This Colbore kid is 21 and should have every chance to crack the Leafs day to day line up next season. Every NHL loves a 6'5" centre. If this kid can actually play, look out. |
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Posted - 02/18/2011 : 11:50:41
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I don't see how this trade still smells of Rebuild-On-The-Fly mentality. If anything, Burke would have kept Kaberle in the hopes of a futile shot at the 8th playoff spot. His willingness to trade him shows that he seems much more committed to a longer rebuild.
The Leafs depth system is deep however, and they are not as far back as some may think. They have gained solid prospects in Gardnier and Colbourne,and we have seen the emergence of James Reimer and Keith Aulie this season.There are also solid guys in the system such as Nazen Kadri, Bradley Ross, and to some extent, Jerry D'Amigo.
In 2-3 years, realistically, the Leafs can compete for a playoff spot. Rebuild 2.0 is not as fast as some people may have hoped, and is now more a long-term goal. But in 2-3 years, this could have the makings of a playoff calibre team. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/18/2011 : 11:59:53
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Originally posted by Guest3386
I don't see how this trade still smells of Rebuild-On-The-Fly mentality. If anything, Burke would have kept Kaberle in the hopes of a futile shot at the 8th playoff spot. His willingness to trade him shows that he seems much more committed to a longer rebuild.
The Leafs depth system is deep however, and they are not as far back as some may think. They have gained solid prospects in Gardnier and Colbourne,and we have seen the emergence of James Reimer and Keith Aulie this season.There are also solid guys in the system such as Nazen Kadri, Bradley Ross, and to some extent, Jerry D'Amigo.
In 2-3 years, realistically, the Leafs can compete for a playoff spot. Rebuild 2.0 is not as fast as some people may have hoped, and is now more a long-term goal. But in 2-3 years, this could have the makings of a playoff calibre team.
That is my point. Remember when Burke made the Kessel deal?? That was the year they were to be a playoff team and by this coming year they would be a contender. That never happened and that was nearly 2 years ago. So the Leaf 'rebuild' it going to take 4-5 years rather than the 2 Burke orginally planned. Secondly, I think there might be a little blue tint to that prospect list. Aulie has looked ok, not great, ok. This new kid has never played in the NHL and could be a bust as easily as he could be the messiah. And honestly, the sooner the Leaf nation stops putting the future success of the team on Kadri the better. He has not proven to be a day to day pro hockey player let alone an NHL player or a star.
The road is still long and with many potential potholes. However, the future is brighter today than any time in the past 10 years in TO, IMHO. |
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tbar
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Posted - 02/18/2011 : 12:14:42
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| I like this trade as a Leafs fan. Good chance Kaberle had zero intentions on re sighning in Toronto. I also agree that the Leafs future is finally starting to look a little better. With good scouting they could have another 4 or so young guys with the big team that could have an impact. I guess we will see in a couple years how this works out. |
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Posted - 02/18/2011 : 12:45:25
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Guest4178
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Posted - 02/18/2011 : 13:09:41
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I wouldn't get too excited about big Joe Colborne. I had the "opportunity" to see him play in Denver a number of times, and he always failed to impress me.
Due to a bit of personal insight, I can tell you that this kid was given every opportunity to play through a parent/coach relationship (the kid comes from money), translating into accelerated first line time, and unearned power-play time, etc.
Admittedly, I haven't seen the kid play since his two years at the University of Denver, but unless his work ethic has changed (and/or he's improved his skills significantly), I can't see him developing into a #1 centre in the NHL.
He's not very good 5-on-5, and his plus/minus stats are not usually very good. With Rochester, he's the worst on the team at -16, and of his 12 goals, four have come on the power play.
Colborne certainly has good size, but he doesn't use his size very well. He can frustrating to watch, because sometimes you see the potential, but his work ethic is often lacking.
It's not a very good comparison, but I see him developing into more like the calibre of a Brad Winchester – a third line guy (second line at the most), and while Colborne's listed as a centre, he can also play the wing. |
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Leafs81
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Posted - 02/18/2011 : 13:28:19
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It's nice to hear form somebody who had the chance to watch him play. Maybe he's a bust, but the more prospects you have in your system the higher the percentage of a prospect to become a regular in the NHL. Also prospects and draft picks are great for trade bait.
Having, all of a sudden, 2 first rounders and two top prospects, is way better form the depth, plus I dont think Kaberle was gonna resign and Versteeg wasn't happy in Toronto.
I agree with the other guest, now it's time to fire Ron Wilson so a good coach can coach all those kids |
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Awesome One
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Posted - 02/18/2011 : 14:26:39
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Bruins will resign Kabby fir sure!
Just to give you an idea, this is what a healthy Bruins line-up looks like:
Line One: Savard, Lucic, Horton
Line Two: Krejci, Seguin, Ryder
Line Three: Bergeron, Peverly, Recchi
Line Four: Kelly, Marchand, Thornton
D One: Kaberle, Chara
D Two: Siedenberg, McQuaid
D Three: Boychuk, Ference
Goalies: Rask Thomas
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Posted - 02/18/2011 : 14:50:05
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| For what its worth Burke has just said in his press conference that he would be open to trading up with his two new first round picks. I don't know if he meant taking his two (Philadelphia's and Boston's) which would be around 24 to 30 for argument sake for a top 1 or 2 pick or some combination of picks and players to move way up. How deep is this years draft? |
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sahis34
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Posted - 02/18/2011 : 15:18:25
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Good trade for the bruins, considering that it should bump up there pick a couple spots. Probably played a factor in the trade
Go OILERS Go!!! |
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Posted - 02/18/2011 : 15:21:04
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Originally posted by Guest4178
He's not very good 5-on-5, and his plus/minus stats are not usually very good. With Rochester, he's the worst on the team at -16, and of his 12 goals, four have come on the power play.
Colborne certainly has good size, but he doesn't use his size very well. He can frustrating to watch, because sometimes you see the potential, but his work ethic is often lacking.
You just described dustin penner |
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Posted - 02/18/2011 : 16:01:49
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Yeah when I was reading that Penner's name came to mind immediately.
Oh, and two picks in the 24-30 overall range do not convert into a top 1 or 2 pick overall. |
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Posted - 02/18/2011 : 18:41:05
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Woo hoo! Kaberle deal is over! Done! Finished! I was starting to think it would continue on forever like a Forsberg comeback . . .
Kaberle - sincerely, thanks. You were a fine, fine player for us, served our good teams very well, and were a solid steadying influence of calm during the bad years. I don't have a bad word to say about you, as you were a pretty classy guy, even throughout this long saga of getting dealt. You'll always be a Leafer in my heart. You'll finish second all-time as a Leafs defenceman in points, behind Salming, and we will always welcome you back with warm applause. Best of luck Tomas!
First round pick in this year's draft (mid 20s) and Joe Colbourne - welcome!
I see this as a slight overpay by the Bruins, but then, I knew they would have to. The Leafs either have a future prospect and another first rounder, or, potentially plenty of bait to add to a deal for a top line player. Knowing Burke, it is probably the latter, and I await with bated breath his next master stroke (I am overstating for effect, just go with it).
Very good deal for the Leafs - they deal a "rental" for good prospects. Good deal for the Bruins, as Kaberle bolsters the offence and power play, and adds a guy who is even hungrier for the playoffs again.
I'm happy. 
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TheRC
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Posted - 02/18/2011 : 19:36:27
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I honestly didn't think the Leafs were going to get a first rounder for Kaberle, nevermind a first-rounder AND a prospect.
I am sad to see Kaberle go, but quite pleased at the return. Kabby is the kind of player who can excel on a good team like Boston, and I hope he does.
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Alex116
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Posted - 02/18/2011 : 20:29:04
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Someone please send me some crow! I know it's not their first rounder, but to get a first round pick at this point for Kaberle is brilliant! Did i just say that? I don't give a flying &$*% about Joe Co*($)*(? (what was his name?).... they got a first rounder? If Alex is saying Burke did well, he musta..... |
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 06:45:54
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Originally posted by slozo
Woo hoo! Kaberle deal is over! Done! Finished! I was starting to think it would continue on forever like a Forsberg comeback . . .
Kaberle - sincerely, thanks. You were a fine, fine player for us, served our good teams very well, and were a solid steadying influence of calm during the bad years. I don't have a bad word to say about you, as you were a pretty classy guy, even throughout this long saga of getting dealt. You'll always be a Leafer in my heart. You'll finish second all-time as a Leafs defenceman in points, behind Salming, and we will always welcome you back with warm applause. Best of luck Tomas!
First round pick in this year's draft (mid 20s) and Joe Colbourne - welcome!
I see this as a slight overpay by the Bruins, but then, I knew they would have to. The Leafs either have a future prospect and another first rounder, or, potentially plenty of bait to add to a deal for a top line player. Knowing Burke, it is probably the latter, and I await with bated breath his next master stroke (I am overstating for effect, just go with it).
Very good deal for the Leafs - they deal a "rental" for good prospects. Good deal for the Bruins, as Kaberle bolsters the offence and power play, and adds a guy who is even hungrier for the playoffs again.
I'm happy.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
The next saga i'm afraid will be "will he sign or won't he?"
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Leafs81
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 07:08:08
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Kaberle is really loyal so I'm sure he's gonna resign with the Bruins.
You're absolutely right Slozo, Kabele showed so much class during this saga it's unreal. I absolutely love the guy, I was never one who thought it was a good idea to trade him. Up to this point though it was necessary to do so. |
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Mario 66
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 07:27:51
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Glad to see Kaberle get another chance at a cup run or two. He was the consomite professional and a pretty classy guy. Hopefully, all the picks and prospects will pan out for the leafs as I am ready to watch exciting hockey here in T.O and atleast when i talk trash with my buddies & vice versa about my pens it may only be for a 3 or 4 game period as oppose to 3- 4 seasons.
Just a question though to leaf fans though. Back when the Edm vs T.O thread was a hot commodity where leaf fans not saying that the oilers had alot of prospects that may not pan out and sooner have young guys like Kulemin, Kessel etc? Now, leaf fans are beaming at the fact they actually have prospects & draft picks to look forward to. Am I missing something or have leaf fans just done a complete 360 on draft picks & prospects now that there appears to be light at the end of the tunnel?
Either way good to see Burke is finally making quality moves. Next on the agenda Sayonara Wilson
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Mario 66
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Awesome One
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 08:16:29
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This trade is not just good for the Bruins because they get Kaberle but it also makes the Leafs worse for the time being, essentially doing the impossible by raising the value of that draft pick the Leafs are still licking their wounds about!
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 09:22:06
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Originally posted by Mario 66
Just a question though to leaf fans though. Back when the Edm vs T.O thread was a hot commodity where leaf fans not saying that the oilers had alot of prospects that may not pan out and sooner have young guys like Kulemin, Kessel etc? Now, leaf fans are beaming at the fact they actually have prospects & draft picks to look forward to. Am I missing something or have leaf fans just done a complete 360 on draft picks & prospects now that there appears to be light at the end of the tunnel?
Either way good to see Burke is finally making quality moves. Next on the agenda Sayonara Wilson
Lemieux owns Gretzky
Well Mario, the arguement in the TO/EDM thread truly was about the difference in the way the two teams are rebuilding. Edm going the way of bottom feeding and collecting top picks that will develop in 5-8 years. TO hoping to fast track that by aquiring already established young talent and becoming competitive in about a 3-5 yr span. I think the beaming you see is that some people can see that maybe Burke can pull his strategy off.
This Kaberle trade, because of the value Burke recieved from Boston for him, surely makes people think twice.
Some people are saying he has given up and decided to collect picks and prospects. Others are beginning to wonder how, when the draft pick chest was bare, did Burke refill his draft chest so quickly, pick up two decent prospects, and just what is he going to do with these assets that nobody thought he would get.
As I said in the Positve things for Leafs Nation thread, I am interested to see if Burke packages his now abundance of picks/prospects for an young, elite, already NHL established, player that fits his rebuilding plan.
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The Duke
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 09:38:04
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Well, well well....
Told all you nay-sayers Burke would get a great package for Kaberle.....who said UFA`s will receive nothing in return ?? i remember.
One poster said if Burke gets a 1st , 2nd , & 3rd round pick for kaberle he would eat his shorts ....want some ketchup ??
Burke received ( Joe Colbourne ) 1st rd pick....another 1st round pick and maybe a 2nd round pick.....not bad for a UFA heh Beansy ??......what did you say he was worth ??.....a second round pick or something ?? lmao |
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 09:49:52
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Firstly, Duke if it make you feel better to rub it in, go ahead. As other Leaf fans have also said, they were too suprised. It was an overpayment. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.
Stay Classy. Slozo, you want to know why it's so often guys like me beat on the Leaf fans, look no further.
Secondly, Porkchop help me understand something. If we are comparing the EDM/TO debate. Help me understand how Burke, picking up a draft pick from 2008 that has not played a single NHL game and 2 other draft picks for the coming year are ahead of Edmonton who has 7 rookies in their line up today??? Your argument would have validity if Burke was trading for young prospects with NHL experience, but he is not. He is trading for draft picks. So, if the Oilers are 5-8 yrs away by building through the draft, how are the Leafs just 3-5 yrs away when they are picking up draft picks?? The Oilers draft picks are already playing while the Leafs draft picks have yet to be determined.
I don't get your math. |
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The Duke
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 09:53:04
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Heh Toxx...as a Bruins fan, not much comment on the trade components...whats your thoughts on the trade ?
Did the leafs just receive in Joe Colbourne what they potentially lost in T. Seguin ?? i don`t really know, never seen him play or anything, just know he is a 6` 5`` center with apparently great on ice vision and works the boards well, according to scouting reports anyway. |
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The Duke
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 10:04:59
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I really think Beans that the days of people beating up on leaf fans are soon coming to an end.
The leafs are slowly becoming a much, much better organization with so much youth in their system and youth with so much potential, their talent pool is constantly growing.
I believe you will soon see a true number 1 great center coming to the leafs with the 2 newly aquired draft picks and a prospect or 2 going the other way.
If this happens it will improve the leafs vastly over-night. Maybe a player who no-one expects to be moved, Burke is famous for doing this.
Beans and Porkchop....as for comparing the leafs vs oilers youth...with all talent included on both teams...outside of Taylor Hall who is just amazing....the rest are a wash, both teams have great young players. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 10:36:48
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One poster said if Burke gets a 1st , 2nd , & 3rd round pick for kaberle he would eat his shorts ....want some ketchup ??
Burke received ( Joe Colbourne ) 1st rd pick....another 1st round pick and maybe a 2nd round pick.....not bad for a UFA heh Beansy ??......what did you say he was worth ??.....a second round pick or something ?? lmao
I said that, and true enough, Burke didn't get 3 picks for UFA Kaberle. If TOR gets that 3rd pick, its only because Kaberle is no longer a UFA. My shorts remain safe.
I too am surprised by the amount he got in return - BOS is desperate to go all the way, and they're showing it. Good for Burkie on this one. To be fair to Chirelli, their first round pick this year is looking to be bottom 4, so its not a fantastic pick no matter how you slice it. I don't know anything about Colbourne except what I've read here - he's got size, but a lot of failed NHL players had size as well, time will tell. If BOS does get Kaberle signed to a deal and that second round pick kicks in, this deal is worth it for BOS - the pending UFA status was always his biggest achilles heel.
Also, as someone else mentioned, getting Kaberle out of TOR hurts the Leafs for the remainder of this season, thus potentially improving the BOS pick from TOR. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 10:40:03
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I really think Beans that the days of people beating up on leaf fans are soon coming to an end.
The leafs are slowly becoming a much, much better organization with so much youth in their system and youth with so much potential, their talent pool is constantly growing.
Ahhhh, sounds just like me about the Canucks...back in 2003 when a cup run within 2 years seemed a dead certainty  . |
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 11:28:45
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Originally posted by nuxfan
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I really think Beans that the days of people beating up on leaf fans are soon coming to an end.
The leafs are slowly becoming a much, much better organization with so much youth in their system and youth with so much potential, their talent pool is constantly growing.
Ahhhh, sounds just like me about the Canucks...back in 2003 when a cup run within 2 years seemed a dead certainty .
Exactly. And Duke, how on earth can you say the rest of the talent is a wash between Edmonton and TO. How many rookies are in TO's line up right now?? That's right. Zero. While the young Oilers are getting experience in the NHL, the Leafs do not even have their pick yet. Furthermore, there is the highest likelihood the Oiler will have better draft pick positions this year than the Leafs will.
So how is that a wash??? |
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Mario 66
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 11:30:56
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Duke no team can completely suck forever; years of futility is mean't to eventually bring greatness as it supply resources. As someone from Toronto i think the just making the playoffs a success claim is getting old to all our sports teams. I am sure Toronto fans are excited for a real winner which ever sport whichever franchise just someone that brings glory back to the city. You may be excited about making it back to the playoffs but friends & family of mine are ready for a cup final or the ever elusive cup. Until this occurs the high horse should be downsized to a pony
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 11:52:40
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Beans, I keep rereading my post and I can't see where I said TO was ahead of Edm who has 7 rookies helping Edm secure another #1 pick.
All I said is that one team is taking a path that is proven to take a long time to accomplish (5-8yrs) as proven by the success in Chicago and Pitt. The other team is attempting to fast track a rebuild in todays NHL.
I did not say that any way was right or wrong. I did not say one was doing better then the other.
I did however indicate that TO suddenly has assets that nobody thought they would have at this particular moment.
I did however indicate that TO could turn and use these assetsto aquire young prospects with NHL experience which in turn would keep the idea of rebuilding quicker a possibility (3-5yrs is the target most believe Burke is shooting for while also building for longer without having to blow it up aka Chicago)
The only reason I responded in this thread about that is because Mario asked. I was being polite and answering with my opinion.
There is little to do with Kaberle in this post but I was inferring that assets aquired in the Kaberle trade, along with the other assets aquired via Versteeg and Beauchemin trade could make some sort combination that is packaged for something bigger.
Not sure how to put it into a math equation that makes sense to you because I was simply implying one thing and I did not need to type 100 words to say it.
that is.....
Burkes plan may actually work.
I did not say it would, I said MAY actually work.
Perhaps we could restart the Edm/TO thread to continue a friendly debate on this. |
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 12:07:12
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Beans, how can you say the Leafs have no rookies?
Reimer (G)
Aulie (D)
not sure if Brent counts as a rookie (19 games in 4 seasons)
In terms of second and third year players, of course we are full up.
Not sure how that makes your talent better than the Leafs talent? But either way, sidetracking off from the Kaberle trade, which is what this thread is supposed to be about.
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 12:31:34
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Slozo, you are right. Off topic.
As I said, the Leafs did win in this trade regardless who you look at it. Sure, Kaberle is a world-class talent and he will be missed but he wasn't going to resign anyway. He said that again before the game in Boston yesterday. So the Leafs getting anything in the deal is a win.
However, I still don't see how this deal is anything but an indication of what Burke should have done 2 years ago. The Leafs are just now working the draft. They are not good enough to win today and are still a few years out on these draft picks they are gathering for this season.
Respectfully, the Leaf fans need to look at this objectively for what it is. A work in progress. Exactly where Burke said the Leafs were 2 years ago, no??? |
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 13:18:43
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Originally posted by Beans15
Slozo, you are right. Off topic.
As I said, the Leafs did win in this trade regardless who you look at it. Sure, Kaberle is a world-class talent and he will be missed but he wasn't going to resign anyway. He said that again before the game in Boston yesterday. So the Leafs getting anything in the deal is a win.
However, I still don't see how this deal is anything but an indication of what Burke should have done 2 years ago. The Leafs are just now working the draft. They are not good enough to win today and are still a few years out on these draft picks they are gathering for this season.
Respectfully, the Leaf fans need to look at this objectively for what it is. A work in progress. Exactly where Burke said the Leafs were 2 years ago, no???
But what if Burke packages these picks and prospects for young talent that is already in the NHL? If he does, then he is not working the draft and and waiting for these assets to mature, he is improving immediately which is his goal. I am not saying it will work but I believe that is what he would try in order to stay on the course he started. And IMO the assets he got in the Kaberle trade could be packaged with the other assets aquired in the recent weeks to do just such a deal. Maybe by the deadline, more then likely in July.
At least thats what I see can be done. It could fail or it could succeed.
Philly certainly didn't bottom feed collecting top draft picks forever before they made it back to the top. In fact they have thrown away their so called future many times to get some of the important players they have today. You don't here anyone telling Holgrem he's an idiot do you. |
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 16:05:02
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but if Philly doesn't win the cup this year, or even next year (not sure how much cap trouble they are in), then i would bet that people in Philly will be calling for his head.
i listened to the full Burke press conference today, and it sounded to me like he does intend to use those two 1st round picks to get an immediate impact player. in fact, that's more or less exactly what he said. not sure if i agree with that strategy, but i guess we'll see what he can get.
but he sure does have a boatload of potential 1st & 2nd line centres now.....Bozak, Grabovski, Kadri, Colburn. and you know he's going to go hard after Richards on July 1 (unless his status changes by then). if he can pull off a miracle and sign him, where do the others fit in?? |
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 17:01:52
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Originally posted by The Duke
Heh Toxx...as a Bruins fan, not much comment on the trade components...whats your thoughts on the trade ?
Did the leafs just receive in Joe Colbourne what they potentially lost in T. Seguin ?? i don`t really know, never seen him play or anything, just know he is a 6` 5`` center with apparently great on ice vision and works the boards well, according to scouting reports anyway.
I never was a big fan of Kaberle. Doesn't like going into corners, not physical... but, he can't hurt us, right? I liked Colbourne, has size and showed glimpses of what he COULD be. He needs to work on his physical game as he has all the tools to own the ice but apparently uses them sparingly. I think he'll turn out pretty good with the right training. |
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The Duke
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 19:59:03
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I`m not a big kaberle fan either toxx...too soft. He will help Boston though, they`ve already got a good team. His skating ability will help Boston`s over-all teams quickness somewhat. Don`t mean to down the Bruins Toxx but the games i do get to watch them play, their team speed sucks, maybe their achilles heel.
Anyway, i`m sure if Wilson can f**k up Colbourne he will. |
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 21:25:04
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Originally posted by The Duke
I really think Beans that the days of people beating up on leaf fans are soon coming to an end.
Wow. Where to start? Let's just plan the parade now for 2012. Isn't that when the end of the world was supposed to come?
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Originally posted by ToXXiK1
[Kaberle] Doesn't like going into corners, not physical.... He needs to work on his physical game as he has all the tools to own the ice but apparently uses them sparingly. I think he'll turn out pretty good with the right training.
Sounds similar to a style played by a certain 40yr old in Detroit. You're right of course sitting in your armchair. Kaberle and the wimp in Detroit will be "pretty good" with the "right training" - whatever that means. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 02/19/2011 : 23:05:42
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But what if Burke packages these picks and prospects for young talent that is already in the NHL? If he does, then he is not working the draft and and waiting for these assets to mature, he is improving immediately which is his goal. I am not saying it will work but I believe that is what he would try in order to stay on the course he started.
Didn't he already try that with Kessel? Where has it gotten them so far?
IMO, Burke needs to stop trading his draft picks for "young talent that is already in the NHL", and actually use the picks to draft players that will become his very own young talent. Until he starts to follow this course, I honestly don't see the Leafs improving much beyond where they are now. |
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Kaberle to the Bruins 
