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freddyboy
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 Posted - 03/08/2011 : 18:37:21
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At the end of the second period, Zdeno Chara nails Max Pacioretty in the glass between the bench. I'm sorry don't have the video yet, but soon there should be some videos on youtube. It's by far, interference, and he as far i saw he clearly pushes Max's head toward the corner.... Both those players have an history and i think it's some sort of retaliation.....
any thoughts guy?
P.S. Colin Cambell is at the game....so what will he do? suspend him?
joe is a god, if u dont agree....i dont care
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Guest0119
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Posted - 03/08/2011 : 18:56:08
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| One of the worst hits this year I'm disgusted I hope he gets at least 10 games,but I guess not since he's Chara.. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 03/08/2011 : 18:58:25
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I saw the replay - I see what you mean about "headshot". Chara did not hit Pacioretty in the head, but ran him into the barrier between the bench and glass. I've seen players run into that barrier before, and if part of a legal hit, then there is nothing wrong with that (just unfortunate placement of the barrier, and I'll be it hurts). But, Chara was certainly committing interference on the play.
The angle I saw didn't show whether or not Chara intentionally put Pacioretty into the barrier, but he's big enough to force anyone to go wherever he wants them to go. I reserve judgement until I see another video of the play, from other angles.
I have no idea how the league will punish the infraction, if at all. The fact that Chara did not actually hit Pacioretty in the head will work for Chara I think.
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freddyboy
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freddyboy
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Posted - 03/08/2011 : 19:23:56
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also a friend of mine just told me that on march 8th 2004 the Bertuzzi/Moore incident happened....small world eh?
as of Pacioretty, heard he move's his legs and arms and was able to talk at the hospital, where they are doing further testes
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 03/08/2011 : 19:53:15
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I don't think Chara was trying to push Pacioretty into the barrier. Chara looks to be trying to push Pacioretty into the boards, but because Pacioretty is going so fast, he gets slightly ahead of Chara, and the side push into the boards becomes a push from behind into the barrier that is (unfortunately) suddenly there instead.
I can't see intent to have Pacioretty make contact with the barrier specifically, but he did at the hands of Chara. Major penalty and misconduct are certainly warranted, but I'd be surprised if there was any additional suspension.
Glad to hear that Pacioretty is doing OK. |
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polishexpress
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 03/08/2011 : 21:02:49
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Technically, Chara did nothing more than interfere with Pacioretty. On the other side of the boards, it would have been 2mins for interference. On this side, Pacioretty hits his head on the barrier.
Good the refs gave 5mins+10minute game misconduct due to the injury, players should have more respect for each other.
We can't prove intent, but during the incident you can see Chara looking ahead on the play as he shoves Max, doubt there was anything malicious.
This could be an opportunity for a precedent setting decision. Suspend Chara and players have to watch how they play the body on players near the benches. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 03/08/2011 : 22:06:10
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also a friend of mine just told me that on march 8th 2004 the Bertuzzi/Moore incident happened....small world eh?
certainly you're not implying that this hit from Chara is anything comparable to what Bertuzzi did to Moore...they are in 2 different universes. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 03/08/2011 : 22:28:58
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I don't think that freddyboy was saying that nuxfan, but i guess i could be wrong.
IMO, Chara likely knew that it was possible that Pacioretty would hit the "turnbuckle" but he prob didn't think or want for it to be face/head (or as some might claim, neck) first? We've seen many hits over the years against this partition at the bench(es) and i believe guys would love to nail a guy into it, just not as serious as this one was due to it being Pac's head!!! I do not for a second think that what happened was Chara's intended result!!! This happened at full speed and with Chara's size, he easily rubbed him out against the boards. If this was anywhere else on the ice, it'd be a very simply check and no injury whatsoever. I can't imagine how diffucult it would be for a player to realize and react quick enough to avoid this.
I didn't see anywhere that Chara intentionally pushed Pac's head into the partition.
Hopefully he's okay and is back sooner than later, but what an ugly hit that ended up being!
BTW, my favorite "turnbuckle" hit is #5 on this video. AND, #4 is one of the greatest hits ever. Clean, hard and by a true power forward! Get rid of goons, and get more of this type of player!
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baumer
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Posted - 03/08/2011 : 22:35:19
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| This is nothing more than a very unfortunate outcome to a play that, if it took place anywhere else on the, is a non issue. We all hope Pacioretty makes a full and speedy recovery but I just don't see any intent to injure on Chara's part. |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 03/08/2011 : 23:55:59
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This is nothing more than a very unfortunate outcome to a play that, if it took place anywhere else on the, is a non issue. We all hope Pacioretty makes a full and speedy recovery but I just don't see any intent to injure on Chara's part.
I agree 100 % I play hockey every tueday night and i had just watched the habs go up 4 zip turned off the t.v and got in my car to go to my game, tuned into the game on the radio while driving so at first all i herd was the french commentators call the hit and disscuss it afterwards and wow the way they were talking you would have though chara pulled a 9mm out of his jock strap and took a shot at pacioretty, after getting a chance to watch i see thing differently these kinds of hits are ok with me in hockey (i don't mean the injury just the hit) it just happend in a very unfortunate place on the ice, if this had happend along the other side the habs would have simply has a 2 min powerplay. It sucks a hit like this could ruin a 21 year olds career ..(lets hope not) but there are far worse hits in hockey and this was at least a hockey play .. Chara was beat and he tried to hold up Pacioretty and well the result i think noone intended to happen but it happend, Lets wish Pacioretty a speedy recovery and i think the refs got it right 5 min and a game misconduct because of the extent of the injry and lets leave it like that no suspension neeeded
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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MrBoogedy
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 00:11:37
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I didn't think it was intentionnal the first time i saw it, however the one thing that strikes me as slightly odd is how Chara doesn't even look back. They were moving at a pretty good clip, and if all of a sudden the guy beside you just disappears because he mangles his neck on the divider, then you would think most guys would look back to see what happened if it was unintentional.
But, as always, the game is played fast, accidents happen, and there is no way of knowing for sure if it was an accident or intent. If Chara thought he was hearing the boo birds before, I think his next visit to Montreal could be a loud one. |
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 07:36:15
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Well first off, it was no accident - again, you have to know that these professional players know where the stanchion is, and you see it time and time again with hits meant to get someone good.
So do I think Chara did it on purpose? Yes, definitely.
Was it a hockey play? Not really, since the player didn't have the puck . . . but it could be argued that it was just late, etc.
Did it seem like an intentional and malicious hit? More difficult to determine . . . I mean, he didn't throw his whole weight into it or make an overt, totally out of boundaries play, no. But, he certainly knew what he was doing, and to who he was doing it to, as Chara has had history with this guy, and the Bruins were down 4-0 at that point, and it was certainly careless and dangerous.
Myself, I'd give Chara 5 games. It was clearly a dangerous hit on a player not carrying the puck, and it's something you don't want to see again. Chara had full control of his body and skating, and frankly, the game score and the history of the players certainly plays into it.
Now, I know a lot of you will say that this is too stiff . . . like my "hockey buddies" at work who looked at me like I was retarded this morning. I get the whole culture, sure. But I will pose this question: what amount of games will satisfy the players on the other team to respect the decision and not seek retribution?
People forget that was how the Bertuzzi thing came about - the hit on Naslund from Moore that came first, and the unjust disciplining of that. And as culpable as Bertuzzi was for his actions . . . you never want to encourage that sort of goonery.
This is why I support longer suspensions for "dangerous", "unsportsmanlike", "careless" hits, whether its to the head or a hit like this.
Unfortunately, I am guessing Chara gets one game, maybe none. And the crap will roll downward from there.
Thanks goodness it was against a Canadiens player and not the Isles.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 09:03:07
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what amount of games will satisfy the players on the other team to respect the decision and not seek retribution
There is probably no suspension that will satisfy MTL, that the NHL is in any way considering. The only good news for the NHL (and probably BOS) is that it was the biggest player in the NHL, and MTL will have a hard time exacting any sort of personal retribution on someone that large - note that this is the first hit causing injury in a while that didn't result in the hitter getting jumped by the other team. |
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spade632
Rookie
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 09:12:19
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Originally posted by Alex116
BTW, my favorite "turnbuckle" hit is #5 on this video.
Alex - I didn't even have to check, my first thought when you mentioned "turnbuckle" was EXACTLY that hit. "Where's my helmet!?!" - Also, you gotta love the 'fro.
Freddyboy - Campbell will have nothing to do with what happens as he recuses himself from any Boston games since they involve his son. It'll be Mike Murphy making the final call.
On a more serious note, I was at the bar last night and as soon as the hit happen you could hear the entire bar give that collective "oh crap" gasp - brutal result.
As far as the hit itself, I don't think Chara had any intent to injure Pacioretty. Yes, it was late but he basically rubbed him out - it wasn't a malicious - "here I come from two timezones away" type of thing. As has been said, anywhere else (just about) on the ice and that play is nothing but 2 minutes for interference.
That said, I do think that hockey players need to be aware and held responsible for their actions. Players at that level have a positional/situational awareness that should allow them to "dial it back" when then find themselves in a position where someone is likely to be injured. Still, hockey is a FAST game and no one is perfect.
There's no way of knowing whether Chara's thought process was "oh crap, there's the turnbuckle, maybe he'll just hit the glass though" or "SWEET! He's about to go right into the turnbuckle" or something entirely different. In any case, I think it's pretty clear on the video that Chara doesn't come in full force to obliterate Pacioretty. (For the record, I think that Chara had absolutely ZERO intent to injure.)
At the end of the day, since players must be held responsible for their actions, I think Chara will get at most 2-3 games. And, of course, best wishes to Pacioretty for a speedy recovery - it was nice to see that they gave him the 3rd star of the game and a huge ovation at the Bell Centre. |
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 09:14:16
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I agree with majority of the people that this was an infortunate outcome to what would (may) have been a solid hit anywhere else on the ice.
However, you "should" also factor in the other circumstances revolving around this and what "may" have led to this event.
One month ago, Pacio shoved his OT goal in Chara's face. One week ago, B's were spanking the Habs all over the ice, and Chara did not really get into anything with Pacio. Finally - B's were down 4 goals AND this was Habs response to their own spnking by outplaying the B'.
So - there could be some premeditation or frustration that the league must take into consideration. I don't think Chara just wanted to body check Pacio, he may have had some other things going on in his head. I cannot believe he wants to injure anyone at anytime or any game, but he "may" certainly have have more than just a body check in mind here...
So - a suspension has to be served, but I don't tihnk he'll get 10 days here - maybe 2 or 3... after all, this is not Pronger we're talking about. |
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nuxrock
Top Prospect
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 09:23:34
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Clearly this hit deserves a minimum 3 game suspension, if not more. Even if Pacioretty made himself vulnerabe, Chara could have backed off and not drove his head into the stantion. Intent to injure? Most likely not. Careless enough to warrant further punishment? Surely.
Gillies, Cooke, or Avery would get thye rest of the regular season for a hit like that, but due to who Chara is I wouldn't be surprised if he gets nothing more.
Also, cheapshots just as bad and worse than what Bertuzzi did to Moore happen a few times per season in the least. Not to excuse Bertuzzi's actions, but the resulting dogpile and not the actual suckerpunch caused the unfortunate career ending injury. |
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sahis34
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 09:59:25
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That's at least 5 games, what a stupid hit by chara. This hit had some intent to injure. Chara had his head up during the hit, plus the puck was gone and he slammed him into the partition.
I see it going down 2 ways, he'll either get like 2 games or some bulls***, or the league will "send a message" with like 15 games.
No matter what chara's gunna be booed in montreal from now on.
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leigh
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 10:17:22
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I think I have a reputation of being pretty lenient on hits, headshots etc. I like a rougher game and grew up watching 70' s and 80's hockey. But that hit was a nasty piece of work.
I've seen these hits dozens of times and being a hockey player myself I am confident that most times a player knows that they are going to hit someone into the divider. I have no problem with it in principle. But I've never in my life seen one quite so vicious. Given the angle of the hit and the long skate up to it Chara could more see it coming. Pacioretty's high speed, Chara's size and strength and the lateness of it all combined to make this an epic stanchion hit.
It was clearly interference. Patchy (who can spell that name anyway!) dumped the puck in a few seconds earlier so I can't be convinced that Chara wasn't accutely aware that he was about to commit an illegal play (interference). It was an opportunistic hit and I believe he was intending to run him into the divider at that speed with the intent to injure. I don't believe that he hoped the guy would go to the hospital but I think he wanted him to feel the pain.
If that's the case then you have to be ready to face the consequences. And I believe Chara will, especially when you consider that they have a history (what player doesn't have a history with a division rival though?) I can see him getting a suspension but the league will go light because it's superstar Chara. Also because the same two teams are in a race down the stretch and a steep suspension could be construed as favouritism and have a direct impact on the standings. Finally, although I don't agree with Chara's explanation, it is conceivable that he didn't see the stanchion coming.
He'll get 1 or 2 games.
Interesting coincidence that it was the same day as the Bertuzzi hit. Not comparable though; this was a hockey play. |
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 10:42:28
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Originally posted by nuxrock
Clearly this hit deserves a minimum 3 game suspension, if not more. Even if Pacioretty made himself vulnerabe, Chara could have backed off and not drove his head into the stantion. Intent to injure? Most likely not. Careless enough to warrant further punishment? Surely.
Gillies, Cooke, or Avery would get thye rest of the regular season for a hit like that, but due to who Chara is I wouldn't be surprised if he gets nothing more.
Also, cheapshots just as bad and worse than what Bertuzzi did to Moore happen a few times per season in the least. Not to excuse Bertuzzi's actions, but the resulting dogpile and not the actual suckerpunch caused the unfortunate career ending injury.
Like the lengthy suspension Cooke got for the Savard hit? |
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Beans15
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 10:46:17
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I see both sides of this argument. It was not a head shot but the hit was dangerous. I didn't see anything malicious and I think an the opinion of professionals knowing there the stantion is and should avoid it is one that has zero respect for how fast the game actually happens at ice level.
It is a matter of inches in regards to us not even talking about this hit for players traveling at 30+km/h with blades on their feet moving on ice. Seriously, I have never played professional hockey but even I can respect that!!
The dangerous thing with this situation is opening pandora's box. Granted, I don't like seeing anything like I saw last night. But if you suspend Chara for at hit into the stantion then every hit into the stantion must be punished. If that is what people are saying is the suspendable offense, then every other hit into there is also a suspendable offense.
IF (and I say a big if) there is a suspension, a game or two at the most. |
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nuxrock
Top Prospect
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 11:02:06
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Originally posted by ToXXiK1
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Originally posted by nuxrock
Clearly this hit deserves a minimum 3 game suspension, if not more. Even if Pacioretty made himself vulnerabe, Chara could have backed off and not drove his head into the stantion. Intent to injure? Most likely not. Careless enough to warrant further punishment? Surely.
Gillies, Cooke, or Avery would get thye rest of the regular season for a hit like that, but due to who Chara is I wouldn't be surprised if he gets nothing more.
Also, cheapshots just as bad and worse than what Bertuzzi did to Moore happen a few times per season in the least. Not to excuse Bertuzzi's actions, but the resulting dogpile and not the actual suckerpunch caused the unfortunate career ending injury.
Like the lengthy suspension Cooke got for the Savard hit?
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nuxrock
Top Prospect
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 11:03:48
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ToXXiK1
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 11:06:38
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First off, the more i watch this (i only saw it on the replay on tv last night and only just now watched the youtube link), the more i think there may have been some intent. The youtube video gave a nice angle from the Boston end that i hadn't seen and from both angles, after watching it a few times, it looks a little more like there could have been some intent. Again, i don't think Chara wanted to see it this bad, but he def wanted to hit him and possibly either toss him into the bench or the partition? Really tough to say though. The biggest problem i have with it was how late it was. This is another thing i didn't realize when i saw it last night. It's clear to me that Chara knew Pacioretty had dumped the puck and was basically no longer "fair game" as far as being able to rub him out. But he still did! I'd have no problem with 3-5 games.
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Originally posted by slozo
But I will pose this question: what amount of games will satisfy the players on the other team to respect the decision and not seek retribution?
Slozo...I don't see how it will make a difference really. If they suspended Chara for 50 games, it doesn't bring Pacioretty back any sooner for the Habs, nor does it make him healthy. I would think that Montreal would still want some sort of retribution, only, following the Bertuzzi incident, i'm pretty sure it won't get carried away. Besides, not many guys in Montreal (or in their organization) are likely to jump a guy of Chara's stature, and i don't blame them! He will likely be a target of Hab fans forever now and any chance a Canadiens player gets a chance to hit him, they will. Let's just hope someone doesn't get carried away and "cheap shot" him either with a head shot (if they can reach) or any other illegal hit (hit from behind, knee on knee, etc).
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Originally posted by nuxfan
note that this is the first hit causing injury in a while that didn't result in the hitter getting jumped by the other team.
Well, with Hamrlik, Gionta, Gomez and Wisniewski on the ice, i'm not surprised. Even if he wasn't kicked out, does Montreal have anyone who would have fought him? Hal Gill sizes up somewhat to him, but not sure he'd do so well in a fight? |
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leigh
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 11:19:14
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Yes the game does happen at a fast pace but that play could have been aborted. Pacioretty released the puck at the blue line and Chara chased him down and pushed him into the stanchion at the red line. No, it's not an illegal hit but because it was clearly a late hit so the powers that be can easily argue it was intent to injure.
I think due to the violent impact of the hit, the illegal play, the broken vertebrae, and the now high profile nature of it, the NHL will have no choice but to hand out a suspension. It will be light and it will get the discussion started. As usual the suspensions will grow from there.
And boys, it's "stanchion", which means brace, pillar, column, joist or scaffold etc. |
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spade632
Rookie
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 11:33:44
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Pacioretty is listed as having a "severe" concussion and a fractured C4 vertebrae but it's not "displaced" - whatever the distinction is.
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Beans15
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 12:01:26
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Sorry Profession Leigh, won't happen again. 
That is the key to this situation is that the hit was interference as indictated by the penalty called. No one is arguing that. There is nothing in the rules that says you can not hit the player into the stanchion. That part of the hit was legal. It was a late hit resulting in an interference penalty. It was not boarding or charging or anything else.
How many interference calls result in a suspension???
Bottom line, it's not against the rules. Much like the injury that Foster sustained a few years ago when he broke his leg in 100 places racing down an icing. Nothing was illegal.
This is one of those situations in hockey where people get hurt when they shouldn't have. |
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spade632
Rookie
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 12:43:39
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No supension or fine for Chara.
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=357209
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NO SUSPENSION OR FINE FOR CHARA'S HIT ON PACIORETTY
Bruins defenceman Zdeno Chara will not face any discipline or fine for his hit on Montreal Canadiens forward Max Pacioretty on Tuesday night, the National Hockey League announced Wednesday afternoon.
"I conducted a hearing with Boston Bruins' defenceman Zdeno Chara with respect to the major penalty for interference and game misconduct that he was assessed at 19:44 of the second period for a hit on Max Pacioretty of the Montreal Canadiens," NHL vice-president of hockey operations said in a statement.
"After a thorough review of the video I can find no basis to impose supplemental discipline. This hit resulted from a play that evolved and then happened very quickly -- with both players skating in the same direction and with Chara attempting to angle his opponent into the boards," continued Murphy. "I could not find any evidence to suggest that, beyond this being a correct call for interference, that Chara targeted the head of his opponent, left his feet or delivered the check in any other manner that could be deemed to be dangerous.
"This was a hockey play that resulted in an injury because of the player colliding with the stanchion and then the ice surface. In reviewing this play, I also took into consideration that Chara has not been involved in a supplemental discipline incident during his 13-year NHL career."
Pacioretty, a winger from New Canaan, Conn., was trying to get past Chara when he was hit hard and went head-first into the glass partition between the benches with 15.8 seconds left in the second period.
He lay motionless for several minutes and had his eyes closed as he was lifted onto a stretcher and taken off the ice.
On Wednesday, head coach Jacques Martin updated Pacioretty's status, saying he suffered a severe concussion and a fractured vertebrae.
Chara was given a five-minute major for interference and a game misconduct.
"We were racing for the puck and battling for position," Chara said following the game. "As the puck went by, obviously I was riding him out and it was very unfortunate that at the same time when I pushed him a little bit, he kind of leaned and jumped a little bit and just hit the glass extension.
"Obviously it wasn't my intention to push him into the partition. Things happen fast. That's not my style. I play hard, physical, but I never try to hurt someone. I hope he's OK."
It was the second incident between the two team's this season. After Pacioretty scored in overtime against the Bruins on Jan. 8, he inexplicably gave Chara a little shove that touched off a minor melee.
Things boiled over between the clubs when the Canadiens visited Boston on Feb. 9, as the Bruins looked to use their superior size to intimidate Montreal and ended up winning a wild 8-6 game in which 187 minutes in penalties were called.
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leigh
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 12:57:46
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Originally posted by Beans15
Sorry Profession Leigh, won't happen again.
That is the key to this situation is that the hit was interference as indictated by the penalty called. No one is arguing that. There is nothing in the rules that says you can not hit the player into the stanchion. That part of the hit was legal. It was a late hit resulting in an interference penalty. It was not boarding or charging or anything else.
How many interference calls result in a suspension???
Bottom line, it's not against the rules. Much like the injury that Foster sustained a few years ago when he broke his leg in 100 places racing down an icing. Nothing was illegal.
This is one of those situations in hockey where people get hurt when they shouldn't have.
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Guest2741
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 13:19:37
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Totally a clean hit. Thats the reason they had to make up a 5 minute major for interference. Tried to find another call for a five minute major and a game misconuct for interfeence and could not. (just seached the last 5 years records)
It was a two minute penality for interferece. Thats it. Worst possible place on the ice with probably the worst possible player delievering the check. If the NHL really wants to avoid this in the future they will have too put glass all around the ice surface and eliminate the change on the fly rule. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 13:37:19
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Originally posted by Guest2741
If the NHL really wants to avoid this in the future they will have too put glass all around the ice surface and eliminate the change on the fly rule.
Well, that's certainly not gonna happen. Sometime whistles don't get blown for 6-8 mins. That'd be a pretty long shift! lol 
Not surprised by the ruling (no further discipline) as it's been pointed out that technically what he did wasn't illegal, aside from the interference. I can live with it.
Oh, and here's an example of why Hal Gill is prob happy he wasn't on the ice!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFrX-dLQ_pQ&feature=related |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 14:43:26
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| Alex - good video. This is why I'm quite confident there will be no retribution against Chara, he is huge and he can fight. Honestly the league should be (in an odd way) happy that it was Chara and therefore there is little chance of this going to the next level as it has in other incidents. |
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leigh
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 14:46:17
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Originally posted by Guest2741
If the NHL really wants to avoid this in the future they will have too put glass all around the ice surface and eliminate the change on the fly rule.
I posted a long time ago that they should angle the stanchion so that it's not a dead stop. Start a foot and a half in and angle it at 45 or 60 degrees to deflect people back towards the ice surface. of course keep it padded as it is now. It probably would have saved Pacioretty from the serverity of his injuries. I don't imagine that in the grand scheme of things this would cost too much to retrofit.
As for the decision not to suspend Chara, I'm good with it. The league suspends too much already in my opinion and the bar gets continuously lowered to a point where it's starting to get rediculous. But I will say that I am surprised that there is no suspension considering the rampant suspensions in the last few years. Good for Campbell to see this was a hockey play - albeit a nasty one (and I still think Chara intended to take him out) |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 14:54:43
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Originally posted by Guest7154
http://img34.imageshack.us/i/charapacioretty.jpg/
think his hand is on he head clearly?
Wow, that's a great picture guest, thanks much!!
If a picture is worth a thousand words, this one may be worth about 10 games.
I do agree that it's a hockey play gone bad, but this may be an instance were they maybe should have sent a message about player respect, instead they chose the safe route. |
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leigh
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 15:23:35
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Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
....I do agree that it's a hockey play gone bad, but this may be an instance were they maybe should have sent a message about player respect, instead they chose the safe route.
I can appreciate that FER. |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 15:26:06
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Originally posted by Beans15
Sorry Profession Leigh, won't happen again.
That is the key to this situation is that the hit was interference as indictated by the penalty called. No one is arguing that. There is nothing in the rules that says you can not hit the player into the stanchion. That part of the hit was legal. It was a late hit resulting in an interference penalty. It was not boarding or charging or anything else.
How many interference calls result in a suspension???
Bottom line, it's not against the rules. Much like the injury that Foster sustained a few years ago when he broke his leg in 100 places racing down an icing. Nothing was illegal.
This is one of those situations in hockey where people get hurt when they shouldn't have.
f*** the rules, you don't hit a player going full speed into the boards
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 16:32:05
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Originally posted by Guest7154
http://img34.imageshack.us/i/charapacioretty.jpg/
think his hand is on he head clearly?
Wow! Great work finding (or "making") this. That definitely isn't something the league received, i'm sure!
Leigh, apparently Campbell didn't get involved as his son is a Bruin. Therefore it was left up to Mike Murphy to rule on this incident
As for the troll, i'll do my part and not comment. |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 17:18:39
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Originally posted by nuxfan
I saw the replay - I see what you mean about "headshot". Chara did not hit Pacioretty in the head, but ran him into the barrier between the bench and glass. I've seen players run into that barrier before, and if part of a legal hit, then there is nothing wrong with that (just unfortunate placement of the barrier, and I'll be it hurts). But, Chara was certainly committing interference on the play.
The angle I saw didn't show whether or not Chara intentionally put Pacioretty into the barrier, but he's big enough to force anyone to go wherever he wants them to go. I reserve judgement until I see another video of the play, from other angles.
I have no idea how the league will punish the infraction, if at all. The fact that Chara did not actually hit Pacioretty in the head will work for Chara I think.
gillies didn't touch clutterbucks head, it didn't work for him. I think the thing that worked for chara was being chara
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Mario 66
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 17:42:00
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Obviously no suspension was handed out and the play will be chalked up as an unfortunate event that took place in the only part of the rink such a severe injury could occur. Agree with those in favor of suspension as well as those against it. From initially watching the game i thought it was another Stanchion hit for another Don Cherry's Rockem Sockem that we witnessed over the yrs. Do to the severity of the injury i would not of minded seeing Chara get a couple games but see the brasses reasoning for not issuing anything.
As far as people's comments about Montreal not seeking retribution do to Chara's size I Strongly disagree. By no means do i condone such retribution but in a situation such as this it is human nature to be vindictive and opurtunistic. When you mention guys like Cammelari, Gionta Desjarhnais yes we are talking about little guys however; we are also talking about guys coming in on Chara with alot of momentum who could easily jab there stick into his skate causing him to go crashing feet first into the boards. Ankle shattering into a 1000 pieces, Torn ACL/MCL etc could easily be the consequences. When you are travelling at such speeds you do not need size to hurt someone Chara's size just a motive and picking your spot like some have argued Chara did last night. I hope this goes away and nothing more comes of it. Nobody, expected the melay of the Bertuzzi incident to occur but it did, nobody expected the islanders to exact revenge on the pens when their goalie willing fought and got knocked out, whose to say now that the habs don't eliminate the thorn in there backside? Only time will twhat will come of this rivalary. As it stands today though the two teams may have a playoff series in their future which could result in some nasty hockey.
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Guest0200
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 17:42:06
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I can't seem to understand how this was apparently a "clean hit"........... horses*** !!! That hit was deliberate, Chara didn't mean to break the guys neck and i do believe that! but he did intend to inflict some pain.
Position wise, Chara knew where he was on the ice and after that monstrous hit didn't even have enough balls to even look back to see what he had done.
It makes me sick when you see good players doing this sh*t !!!!!!
Not to good of a role model for kids who are playing the sport who think it's okay for doing that kinda stuff. It's only gonna get worse!!!! and it's a crying shame that a sport that i love so much gets ruined by dirty play like this ,only because the guy is a reputably good player.
Maybe the Habs should bring back Laraque seeing as he is still on there payrole, i'd love to see him kick the sh*t out of Chara.
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Chara "headshot" to Paciorretty.... 
