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OILINONTARIO
PickupHockey Pro
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 Posted - 05/04/2011 : 17:40:47
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Originally posted by Alex116
OIO....my whole point was that you said yourself, that the reason you hate the green men is because you hate the Canucks. This hatred also skews your opinion on pretty much everything else to do with the conversation. That's all, no biggie. It's just that when a post is thrown out there to discuss and share peoples opinions on, yours is somewhat unworthy when you consider your admitted hatred.
It's be like me saying i think the Oilers are a clown outfit for hiring young girls as cheerleaders and then admitting that the ONLY reason i feel that way is because i hate the Oilers.
**FTR, i don't hate the Oilers, and i could care less about the cheerleaders. I was just making an example you might easily understand. 
No. You got that backwards. I don't hate the Canucks because of the green dorks (kinda like that, thanks Beans). I hate them despite the 'tarded 'tards (that one's not bad either).
Whatever, though. I am sure these guys bring some value to the average game that baser minds find enthralling. In my "unworthy" opinion, they do not.
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2012. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 05/04/2011 : 17:45:47
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Originally posted by OILINONTARIO
No. You got that backwards. I don't hate the Canucks because of the green dorks (kinda like that, thanks Beans). I hate them despite the 'tarded 'tards (that one's not bad either).
Whatever, though. I am sure these guys bring some value to the average game that baser minds find enthralling. In my "unworthy" opinion, they do not.
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2012.
You don't read well if what's in BOLD above is what you got from my post.
I actually said you simply choose to hate the green guys BECAUSE you already hate the Canucks. Jeez, i thought i made it simple with my Oilers example.....apparently not?  |
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Guest7931
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Posted - 05/04/2011 : 20:47:52
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Once again, I'm an Oilers fan, but I can't help but agree with Alex's logic.
"People shouldn't throw stones if they live in glass houses" goes the saying, and if you want to criticize the green men in Vancouver, what about cheerleaders at a hockey game? Personally I don't have a big problem with the green men, as long as they don't cross the line by banging on the glass or hurling insults at the players in the penalty box. I agree with Beans (and a few others) that the rules around the penalty box and players benches need to be different.
One important distinction between the green men and the cheerleaders worth noting - as far as I know, the green men are there on their own, and not part of the Canucks marketing program. The same cannot be said about the Oilers cheer team.
Regardless, every team has silly ideas (and silly fans), so if you want to hang your hat on hating a team because of the antics of a few fans, save your "rocks." Instead, you should stick to "throwing your stones" at the things you hate about a team like its players, coaches, playing style or their record. Otherwise, it all seems petty to me! |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 05/05/2011 : 11:28:14
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| 7931...........it's always refreshing to see an open minded / unbiased opinion. Thank you for that. It's nice to see someone actually understands what i was saying! |
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99pickles
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/07/2011 : 15:08:22
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Whether clad in tights or not, there is standard of conduct to be adhered to when attempting to get the attention of players on the bench or in the box.
If you go really far with it - or too far with it - you run the risk of getting Domi'd or O'Reilly'd ...justifiably so, perhaps.
Anyone else read that recent article where Marty Turco, from the visiting team bench, bet a fan five bucks on a shootout attempt in Montreal? It really is about how respectful you act.
I don't believe banging on the glass of the penalty box (or players' bench) would be viewed as extremely respectful.
Funny thing is....why don't they antagonize through the glass at the team bench in the same manner as well?? Because the result would be mayhem. Therefore, they themselves know that their behaviour can be viewed as antagonizing, or questionable at least..
That being said, these guys are funny as all hell!! My favourite was when they held up Santa's naughty list and it had Phaneuf's name at the top of the list of Leaf names! Hilarious!! |
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Statman
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 05/08/2011 : 01:05:22
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I have this to say about the green men; They certainly are creative. They used to do handstands up against the glass to show off their...umm...undercarriage to the guy in the box, but were told to stop doing that, so tonight they show up with a cardboard cutout of one of them doing that same handstand. Freaking brilliant!
I undertand many people don't like them, but most in the Canuck community do, and the real beauty of this is that this has come from the fans, not the team marketing department. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 05/08/2011 : 06:17:53
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The Green Dorks are an acquired taste that I have not acquired. That being said, I do appreciate their creativity and could see the appeal they have to some. However, that does not give them any advantages to how they may act compared to other fans.
To that, I totally appreciate they have followed the NHL's direction at the same time as giving them the 'eff you.' If the NHL says 'don't do X' and they stop doing 'X' and replace it with something making fun of 'X', nothing could be better.
I still don't like them, but good on these guys for doing things the right way. |
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Oilearl
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/08/2011 : 12:38:23
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The green men are an extra bonus for my kids when I am at Canuck games they absolutely are thrilled by their antics. Personally it makes no difference to me I'm more interested in the action on the ice not in the stands period.
To the guest who called Oiler fans babies be careful you live in a glass house dude!!!!! |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 05/08/2011 : 21:14:32
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| statman.....the cardboard cutout of the handstand had me laughing my a** off! Brilliant!! |
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MrBoogedy
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 05/08/2011 : 21:43:43
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I'm starting to think that the green men are almost as entertaining as the action ( or lack thereof) on the ice. The first time i saw them 'showing off their undercarriage' i thought it was hilarious.
I think the next logical step would obviously be cheerleaders in green leotards showing off their undercarriages... |
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Statman
Rookie
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Posted - 05/09/2011 : 00:49:19
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I think the next logical step would obviously be cheerleaders in green leotards showing off their undercarriages...
I think you've really hit on something there! Lol. |
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The Duke
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 05/09/2011 : 20:07:32
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Lack of action on the ice is right Mr Boogedy. Sorry Alex and Nuxfan but i think your Canucks have gone as far as they can. I predict ( if they meet San Jose ), the Sharks win 4 straight.
If Van plays this way againist the Sharks (or wings ) i think it will be a very quick series. Keslers line cannot beat a team clicking on all clyinders.....what in hell are the Sedins doing ??? do they know this is the playoffs....a chicken has a bigger heart than what these guys are displaying, disgusting.
I hear it all the time about the Euro thing but it doesn`t stop Ovie, Datsyuk, Zetterburg and many others from playing. Those guys ( the Sedins ) are much, much better than they are showing...guess they don`t really give a sh**. |
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Guest8149
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Posted - 05/09/2011 : 21:57:50
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Originally posted by The Duke
Sorry Alex and Nuxfan but i think your Canucks have gone as far as they can. I predict ( if they meet San Jose ), the Sharks win 4 straight.
Care to make a bet? A few "pundits" on this site said the same thing about the Canucks when they met up with the Hawks in the first round.
I'm not silly enough to suggest that the Canucks are overwhelming favourites to win any playoff round, but as a statistician, I considered them a 70% favourite to win the first round, and about a 30% favourite to go all the way to win the cup. (Stats which have proven themselves over a period of time.)
As far as the Sharks beating the Canucks "4 games straight" the next round, I don't see it happening. It's worth noting that the Sharks need to beat Detroit first to do so. And sure, the Canucks have their flaws, but so do the Sharks or Wings.
I would pick the Canucks to beat either opponent in the 3rd round, but I wouldn't be so bold as to pick a 4-game sweep. And while I would pick Vancouver to advance to the Stanley Cup Finals, I wouldn't claim any absoluteness in my prediction. After all, anything can happen in sports and taking the Canucks-Predators series as an example, it was a very close series with essentially every game a one-goal game. This series could have actually gone either way, but the best team won, and that doesn't always happen.
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 05/09/2011 : 22:39:22
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Originally posted by The Duke
Sorry Alex and Nuxfan but i think your Canucks have gone as far as they can. I predict ( if they meet San Jose ), the Sharks win 4 straight.
No need to apologize really. You may even be correct that the Sharks will beat the Canucks (if they can finish off Detroit). I certainly wouldn't be willing to bet on any team sweeping any team at this point. Not saying it can't happen, but it's certainly not a prediction i'd be willing to make!!!
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Originally posted by The Duke
If Van plays this way againist the Sharks (or wings ) i think it will be a very quick series. Keslers line cannot beat a team clicking on all clyinders....
Ummm, first of all, when you say "if Van plays this way", what are you getting at? What do you mean by "this way"? Are you referring to the way they played the entire series vs Nashville, or are you specifically referring to tonights game? Either way, you do realize that teams play different styles vs different teams, right? I'd argue that Vancouver was the better team for 90% of the minutes played in this series, but ran into a hot goalie. Unlike Washington and Pittsburgh last year, they found a way to scrape out the 4 wins needed to get by him (and the Preds). I don't know any hockey fan who thought this series would be pretty, or fun to watch. That's just Pred's hockey.
Secondly, which team "firing on all cylinders" are you referencing??? The Sharks? Those same Sharks who've lost 2 straight after having Detroit on the ropes? Those same Sharks who gave up 3 unanswered 3rd period goals last night, to throw away their chance to clinch with a little extra rest? You know, that team with one of their best players slumping and not having a point in the entire 5 games of this series (Marleau)??
Or are you talking about that Red Wings team who spotted the Sharks a 3-0 lead in the series only to have fought back to stave off elimination, still needing to win 2 more just to advance.
Duke, you and i obviously have different opinoins on what consists of "firing on all cylinders".
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Originally posted by The Duke
What in hell are the Sedins doing ??? do they know this is the playoffs....a chicken has a bigger heart than what these guys are displaying, disgusting.
The Sedin's, they're def not playing all that well right now, i won't argue that. Even though Hank is struggling, Daniel's play hasn't been as bad as it may seem, considering his bro has struggled mightily. Either way, they'll need to be better for the Canucks to go further. Then again, a lot of people said that vs Nashville? What's scary is, what if they both return to regular season form?
Whatever it is that's affecting them, i'm pretty sure it's not that they "don't give a sh*t"!!! That's just a silly comment. |
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Guest8149
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Posted - 05/09/2011 : 23:54:42
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I really get a kick out of comments made like "if they continue to play that way," and comparing it to when a team is "firing on all cylinders." I don't know any person, player or team who operates at full capacity all the time. (Or at low capacity, especially for elite athletes.)
Everyone including top sports athletes have "up days" and "off days," and even the best of the best have off days.
To sum it up, if the last place Oilers were "firing on all cylinders," they could beat the first place overall Canucks if Vancouver "continued to play a certain way" or whatever that means. But surely, most people would agree that any two teams are capable of optimum or less than optimum levels of performance, and barring a fluke occurrence, the better team (in this case the Canucks) would prevail in most games against a lesser opponent. To suggest otherwise is Illogical.
To make the comment that the Canucks will lose if they continue to play a certain way while suggesting that their opponent will be "firing on all cylinders" sounds more like wishful thinking than real prognosticating.
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 05/10/2011 : 07:59:10
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Lack of action on the ice is right Mr Boogedy. Sorry Alex and Nuxfan but i think your Canucks have gone as far as they can. I predict ( if they meet San Jose ), the Sharks win 4 straight.
If Van plays this way againist the Sharks (or wings ) i think it will be a very quick series. Keslers line cannot beat a team clicking on all clyinders.....what in hell are the Sedins doing ??? do they know this is the playoffs....a chicken has a bigger heart than what these guys are displaying, disgusting.
I hear it all the time about the Euro thing but it doesn`t stop Ovie, Datsyuk, Zetterburg and many others from playing. Those guys ( the Sedins ) are much, much better than they are showing...guess they don`t really give a sh**.
VAN won't play that way against the Sharks or Wings, because they won't have to - neither one is NSH.
Duke, I can only assume you were watching the series, so you know that NSH plays a particular style. It is heavily defensive in nature, trap-like, and they give up very little in the way of chances. NSH plays a style of hockey that unfortunately, is very good at foiling the twins cycle and puck control game, hence they didn't play particularly well or rack up a large number of points - historically this is the case too, in the past few regular seasons. They still did well on the PP (where they had some room), and got a fair number of chances, so I'm generally happy with their effort.
Fortunatly for VAN, while NSH had an answer for the Sedin's, they had none for Kelser/Raymond/Higgins/Hansen/Ehrhoff, and could not get past Hamhuis and Beiksa very well, and the Canucks prevailed - chalk up a win for team depth. That same team depth will come into play vs their next opponent. |
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The Duke
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 05/10/2011 : 19:14:39
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Didn`t mean to ruffle any feathers here guys. It just seems to me that San Jose and Detriot are very hungry overall and look like they are playing much better hockey...maybe they are not...but it sure looks that way.
Anyway, i`m off to the big land toworrow ( Labrador ), new construction site on the go. Will continue chatting if i get any service on my laptop...where i`m going for a month at a time, who knows.
I am still a any Canadian team first fan you know....but i still call a spade a spade...in my view ( opinion ) anyway.....later |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 05/10/2011 : 20:37:30
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Didn`t mean to ruffle any feathers here guys
Oh, I'm pretty sure that ya did Duke , but thats OK, we expect it from ya.
All the teams left in the west look pretty hungry right now, the same way the Canucks were in game 6. I'm pretty happy with the way they played, and I like our chances against either DET or SJ - honestly neither one has looked terribly convincing in their series so far.
Have a great time in Labrador. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 00:16:03
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Originally posted by The Duke
Didn`t mean to ruffle any feathers here guys. It just seems to me that San Jose and Detriot are very hungry overall and look like they are playing much better hockey...maybe they are not...but it sure looks that way.
I just don't get that? One team has blown a 3 game lead and the other spotted their competition a 3 game lead??? Calling SJ "hungry" is like calling the Canucks "hungry" after they blew their 3 game lead vs Chi? Was ANYONE saying that then? NOPE!
I guess i can sorta see calling Detroit "hungry", i mean, they have fought back from 0-3 to force game 7, but i seriously don't think either of these teams is playing anything close to their potential! |
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Beans15
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Canada
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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 09:33:03
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The Western Finals will be the biggest 'if' series in the past number of years.
IF Vancouver plays like the did in the regular season, they will win.
IF the Canucks continue to depend almost exlusively on Kesler, they will lose.
IF Detroit wins their series, Vancouver is in trouble regardless.
IF the San Jose of the first 3 games of their series with Detroit play an entire series against Vancouver, SJ will win.
IF Vancouver plays like they did against Chicago, they will lose to either team.
IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF |
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Guest4178
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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 14:27:57
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I don't mean to be a smart aleck (which is different than a "smart Alex – that's a compliment by the way), but what's with all the IF'S?
I can say that the Canucks will beat Detroit in Game 7 IF they score more goals than the Wings. I can also say that San Jose will beat whoever they meet in the 3rd round IF they win 4 games before the other team does.
Sports is a game of IF's, and while I understand all of IF's as they relate to factors determining an outcome, it's a very qualified way of making a prediction or series of predictions.
Most outcomes are not a certainty, and there are an almost unlimited number of IF's to be considered. Some have been mentioned, but what about goaltending, special teams, injuries, coaching, etc. Surely these matter too!
Personally, I have a hard time picking who's going to win a game or series, so I rarely offer my opinion. (Unless prodded.) Sports is more of a crapshot than we realize sometimes, and maybe I should take the "IF" approach. It's a lot easier to say IF a team plays well, they will win, than to go out on a limb and say that Team "X" will beat Team "Y," and here's why they will do so in the next round. |
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Beans15
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Canada
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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 17:04:40
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My point was that when going into almost any series, one can pick between the teams as one is better than the other. People can disagree with who is better than who or by how much, but there is normally a pick.
The Detroit/Vancouver/San Jose question is different as each of these teams has been inconsistent. The best team is most likely Vancouver, but they are not playing the best.
That was my point behind the IF's. This series is the not the easiest to pick a winner at as it isn't based on what team is the best. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 18:05:45
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I think most of us knew what you meant Beans
Once you get to the final-4, it becomes difficult to pick winners. By this point, the remaining teams are all there for a reason, and are either good teams or on some kind of serious hotstreak.
The 3 teams left in the west finished 1-2-3 in the conference, and only differed by 5 wins over the whole season - any of those teams would be deserving to be in the finals. It will be very tough for VAN to beat either one.
As beans says - if VAN can play the way they did during the regular season, I don't think there is anyone that stands in their way. If they play any other way, things could get messy.
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