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 Posted - 02/19/2012 : 03:48:29
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Originally posted by andyhack
By the way, Slozo, regarding your questioning of society, you might want to take the George Carlin route and just give up on society. 
But while we're on the question game, here is another one for you:
Is there any way possible on God's not so green anymore earth that Tim could have made this decision without knowing that it would cause at least a little disruption to the team? 
I know everyone wants me to "give up" on this thread, but just answering Andyhack here, as diplomatically and succinctly as possible.
My answers:
1) George Carlin did not give up on society. If he had, he wouldn't have continued to bravely point out things in his humorous and touching rants that no other comic would touch. I am the same, I think.
2) No, it is not possible that Tim Thomas did not know that his decision would cause disruption.
Why should that have been the decider to do it or not? Are we supposed to always toe the line, even when it goes against our very strong moral convictions/beliefs? THAT is my question, that I keep pounding on, not understanding everyone's response that because he "caused a disturbance" in his decision he should have kept his mouth shut.
Like I paraphrased earlier, I am glad that even among hockey superstars, there are still people with strong convictions willing to take flak for what they believe in.
. . . . and, I'm done!
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andyhack
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Posted - 02/19/2012 : 07:03:41
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This is what I was referring to with Carlin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls8RXqyZDsk
Otherwise, I have no problem with your different reaction to me to TT knowing about the disruption inevitability and nevertheless going ahead with his decision, BUT, let's frame the situation accurately.
1. As you have said, there is no way he didn't know his decision would cause disruption.
2. He went ahead anyway (thereby obviously not caring about the disruption as much as something else).
3. The disruption, made by him (as it wouldn't have happened without his decision), occurred.
As I have said, I think there were other ways he could have gone about about expressing his "very strong moral convictions" with less disruption to the team. Frankly, I just think it was a great misjudgment on his part because my guess (of course I don't know - but reasonable speculation I think) is that he would not have been in MAJOR AGONY standing for a short time at the White House. I know I know. I am not him blah, blah, blah. Sorry, I just don't buy it. He wasn't being asked to stand with some mass murderer dictator or something.
Yeah, my response is a bit different from the others I guess. The pre-event timing thing is not the main argument for me really. I just plain think Timmy T should have gone to the thing, ate the whores dorves (always wanted to say that) and see the frigg'n white house with his buds! Then say whatever the hell he wanted to say after in the same polite and diplomatic way. |
Edited by - andyhack on 02/19/2012 07:07:30 |
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Posted - 02/19/2012 : 07:29:41
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Wow. It's amazing how under-informed you all seem to be. I'm especially ashamed of my fellow Canadians here. Just because you're hockey fans doesn't mean you can't read about anything else, does it?
The problem with Tim Thomas's snub of the White House isn't THAT he did it, but WHY he did it. He's an ultra right-wing (not hockey) conservative that follows the Tea Party movement and worships one of their most fanatical and disingenuous leaders, Glenn Beck (do none of you know what Google is?).
For all you xenophobes out there, Glenn Beck is the AMerican equivalent of the all the evil Muslims you read about that are threatening your way of life. He is a racist, homophobic, fundamentalist bible-thumper (who "converted" to Mormonism. How does anyone just decide one day that Jesus lived in America?).
Tim Thomas buys in to all the crap that this psycho and his followers try to push on the American people and this is why he snubbed Obama. He's an ignorant, redneck fanatic and represents everything that's wrong with America. It's amazing that you all seem caught up in the "freedom of speech" aspect and not the fact that he's a fanatic fundamentalist moron.
Get yer heads out of your asses people.
Frightening...
Oh, and Happy Family Day!!
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fat_elvis_rocked
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Posted - 02/19/2012 : 11:16:41
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Google? What is this google you speak of?
I went there to see what the fuss was about, typed in arrogant, imbecilic, contentious, rude, pompous, and for good measure, I searched, 'what to call someone who uses assumptions in a derogatory way', and whatta ya know!
It came back with one line.....Guest9477 on PUH.
I guess some of us can do more than 'read about hockey'.
Next time, read the whole thread twice, you are the first one to bring his own beliefs up, no one else of import did. You missed the whole point of the debate to this point, but, nice of you to step in as a 'guest' and school all of us.
You should sign up, i would be refreshing to have a name to put to your rhetoric, instead of my mental visual of what sits in the bottom of a commode.
'under-informed'. 'ashamed', 'Get yer heads out of your...'
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Shepsky
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Posted - 02/19/2012 : 20:10:23
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First of all I would like to apologize for all the comotion that I caused with this thread. We're all friends here, with differing opinions, Tim Thomas probably should have gone to the white house, or at the very least just said "not going for personal reasons. PERIOD"
and now to my next point.... Guest9477. I love how this guy claims he is a fellow Canadian, and then tells us how much he knows about american politics, and how he knows exactly what Tim Thomas (an American) thinks, and that he knows Tim Thomas' politcal beliefs, and who he worships, all because Google told him, I know that no untrue information has EVER been allowed on the internet, so any article this jerkoff read relating to Tim Thomas' political beliefs MUST be exactly true, and not just bashing him, especially one written after this incident happened. This feed has gone on a long time, and now it will go even longer as everyone gets to jump on and say what they think of guest9477, after all he was kind enough to say what he thinks of all of us. What a d***. |
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Guest9477
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Posted - 02/19/2012 : 22:10:20
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No thanks, don't want to join your little knitting circle—the grammar and spelling alone hurts my head. Just dropping a little truth bomb on y'all so you can maybe get your heads out of your asses and your asses out of your mommy's basement.
The fact that NONE of you even mentioned that Thomas's actions stemmed from his affiliation with a radical, fundamentalist organization speaks volumes to the level of intelligence that pervades this discussion (hint: not very high).
Hopefully I've opened some of your eyes and you are ready to engage in a more meaningful and fruitful existence.
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fat_elvis_rocked
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Posted - 02/19/2012 : 23:26:28
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Don't let the door hit yer on that way out there, son....
You obviously have a nice command of language and intellect, shame it's all wasted on your self-inflated opinion of yourself. Just cause it wasn't mentioned doesn't mean it wasn't understood, just some of us prefer to let each to their own, regarding opinions that may be overly inflammatory, that was the stuff that most likely, by myself anyways, purposely being avoided, to keep the discussion more hockey related, this being a hockey forum afterall. That and the fact that Thomas' beliefs had nothing to do with what most of the discussion centered on, next time read with comprehension, it helps.
But thanks again for the education on the Republican right,(no, I knew that term, didn't even have to look it up on google!), and actually I even know who Glenn Beck is and Rush Limbaugh, and Sarah Palin, but thanks again.
I appreciate your invitation for a more intellectual discussion, but I don't think there would be enough room under your bridge for both of us. A troll with proper grammar is still a troll after all.
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Edited by - fat_elvis_rocked on 02/19/2012 23:27:07 |
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Is the Tim Thomas thing a big deal?? 
