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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1053 Posts |
 Posted - 10/18/2007 : 14:58:27
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Poll Question:
Who is the league's best ACTIVE defenseman?
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1393 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2007 : 15:34:45
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Niklas Lidstrom is just plain good. 62 points and over +40 while killing most penalty's. He's the best Active defenceman by far,
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1053 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2007 : 15:45:54
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Phaneuf isn't bad either. He doesn't have the +/- to show for it though. Phaneuf is more defensive than lidstrom is.
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Kashmire
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
506 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2007 : 15:49:22
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| I voted for Pronger. It is pretty even between Lidstrom and Pronger though. I think Pronger is sometimes underestimated though. He isn't all that old and is great physically and plays awsome defense while maintaining an above average powerplay production. I would take either and don't favor any but I gave it to Pronger for the more exciting game. |
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1393 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2007 : 16:18:21
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I think Phaneuf could really improve his defensive game actually. He is still young he needs a little bit more maturing on the blue line defensively.
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The Perfect Life! |
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nux_fan
Top Prospect
10 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2007 : 18:10:19
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| Lidstrom in a cakewalk. |
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1053 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2007 : 18:15:29
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Originally posted by PainTrain
I think Phaneuf could really improve his defensive game actually. He is still young he needs a little bit more maturing on the blue line defensively.
Actually I don't think that lidstrom will be able to keep up with the league by the end of this season. Phaneuf is only going to get better.
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nux_fan
Top Prospect
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Posted - 10/18/2007 : 18:45:41
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Originally posted by nashvillepreds
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Originally posted by PainTrain
I think Phaneuf could really improve his defensive game actually. He is still young he needs a little bit more maturing on the blue line defensively.
Actually I don't think that lidstrom will be able to keep up with the league by the end of this season. Phaneuf is only going to get better.
GO PREDATORS GO
Phaneuf will get better... but I question the upper limit of his defensive ability. He will never be a shut-down defenseman, and hence never a top 2-way player.
What makes you think that Lidstrom wont be able to keep up with the league? I think that he's already proven beyond a shadow of a doubt how much you are wrong and there aint no indications of him slowing down. One of the best 2-way defensemen to ever play the game.
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Guest9686
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Posted - 10/18/2007 : 19:22:26
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Originally posted by PainTrain
Niklas Lidstrom is just plain good. 62 points and over +40 while killing most penalty's. He's the best Active defenceman by far,
Eat,Sleep,Watch Hockey,Play Hockey
The Perfect Life!
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Azeman
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 10/18/2007 : 20:07:04
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Nick Lidstrom is just the best ACTIVE player playing, hes probably one of the best defense that ever played the game ( except maybe orr and bourque, as much of a wings fan i am they were good D in their days)
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 10/18/2007 : 21:18:44
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With Neidermayer not playing right now, the only guy that is even close to Lidstrom is Pronger, and he's not even that close.
Think about this, there are only three players with the same or more Norris Trophies than Lidstrom. Being in the company of Harvey, Bourque, and Orr is pretty special. He's won it 6 out of the last 7 years it has been awarded and had been nominated 8 of the last 9 seasons. That means he is voted as one of the top 3 defensemen for almost a decade.
Looking at Pronger, Neidermayer and Lidstrom, the unwritten three best d-men in the past 5 seasons, the numbers are not even close.
Lidstrom - 401games - 66 goals -235 assists - 301 points +133
Pronger - 309 games - 47 goals - 220 assosts - 267 points +51
Neidermayer - 399 games - 64 goals - 194 assists - 257 points + 69
Even this year, Lidstrom has 5 points in 5 games and is +5 while averaging the 3rd most minutes in the league.
To me that shows no signs that he can't keep up with the league. He will retire when he feels like it, which may be soon. But he could play into his 40's and still be effective.
Where's Phaneuf in this?? Not even in the same ball park. With all due respect, if you think Phaneuf has a defensive edge on Lidstrom, you must think that Defense is hitting. That is about the only thing that Phaneuf has on Lidstrom.
Phaneuf will be lucky if he ever gets to Lidstrom's level.
If you are under the age of 15, please do some research before you make a post about anything pre-1997. |
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Guest9147
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Posted - 10/19/2007 : 11:13:50
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| I think that Anton Volchenkov should be in that list. He was top shot blocker in 06-07 at only 24 years of age and he is a definate contender again this year. Every year his game has improved and i believe he is on his way to be one of the league's best defencemen. |
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1053 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2007 : 13:00:20
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quote:
Originally posted by Guest9147
I think that Anton Volchenkov should be in that list. He was top shot blocker in 06-07 at only 24 years of age and he is a definate contender again this year. Every year his game has improved and i believe he is on his way to be one of the league's best defencemen.
I've seen him play a lot and blocking shots is all he's really amazing at
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Guest4006
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Posted - 10/19/2007 : 14:08:00
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Originally posted by Guest9147
I think that Anton Volchenkov should be in that list. He was top shot blocker in 06-07 at only 24 years of age and he is a definate contender again this year. Every year his game has improved and i believe he is on his way to be one of the league's best defencemen.
There is no way Anton Volchenkov should be in the same list as players like Lidstrom, Pronger and Niedermayer. |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 10/19/2007 : 18:09:40
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| Lidstrom. But Phaneuf is coming. |
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Guest4724
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Posted - 10/20/2007 : 06:30:10
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| Lidstrom by far no one else is in his league right now there is a lot of good young defenceman including phanuef but he isnt there yet remember brewer. Norstrom good malliky redden phillips etc |
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Guest6798
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Posted - 10/20/2007 : 07:18:25
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It is absolutely embarassing that Souray is even on this list. He's easily one of the worst "defensive" defencemen in the whole league. A complete pilon in his own end.
He's got a hard shot. I'll give him that. |
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 10/20/2007 : 09:18:24
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| Lidstrom has to be considered the best. He has so many dimensions that every night it is lik facing a new defenseman. he blocks shots, scores goals, can handle the puck and can play a physical game when he wants to. He gets my vote. |
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Guest8437
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Posted - 10/20/2007 : 11:05:15
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| How is Souray on that list? He wouldn't be top 10. save some embarasment and plug Bouwmeester in. |
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Guest9657
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Posted - 10/20/2007 : 11:41:38
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| phaneuf?? umm definately not -calgary appears unable to rely on defense at all this year with him...im not sure he should be on this list yet -as for lidstrom, career numbers excellent yes but best right now? possibly...or redden |
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Leafsgirl 48
Top Prospect
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Posted - 10/21/2007 : 07:15:32
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Lidstrom is still the best defenceman in the league. His leadership skills along with his playing ability, makes him the perfect defenceman for any team in the NHL.
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Guest2905
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Posted - 10/21/2007 : 10:48:54
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| I think that Brian Rafalski is hes racked up 4 points already this week and hes a good leader too |
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Guest2159
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Posted - 10/21/2007 : 22:32:35
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Lindstrom by far is the man. I think he could do a better job than Hasek in net!
GO WINGS GO |
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Posted - 02/26/2008 : 07:28:55
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Lidstrom by a fair margin, although Pronger is more effective physically (the non-stats component).
Please though - for the sake of validity for this poll - take down Kaberle's name and the 101 retarded Leafs fans who voted for him. It's a ridiculous joke to have him on the list, and shames every thinking Leaf fan out there. Replace him with Rafalski or Redden please.
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ThorntonisTHEMAN
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 02/26/2008 : 07:34:17
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completely agree with Slozo. i would vote for Jay Boewmeester before Kaberle. but Lidstrom. no contest.
"I'm not dumb enough to be a goalie."
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Guest5448
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Posted - 02/26/2008 : 10:13:08
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| Scott Niedermeyer - why isn't he on the list? Talk about an impact player. |
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PuckNuts
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Datsyuk 1
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
333 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2008 : 20:32:19
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Hey why isn't Chara on the list he has been scoring goals, dropping the gloves, great plus minus and pretty close too Lidstrom. Although Lid got my vote.
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Deaner
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 06/04/2010 : 15:51:47
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| Voted pronger but im thinking Phaneuf in a few more years....Lidstrom was a close second |
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 06/04/2010 : 19:03:58
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My All-Time Favorite is Raymond Bourque. (My all-time favorite player, of any position)
Current top 5 D-men in the NHL:
1. Nicklas Lidstrom
2. Scott Neidermayer
3. Chris Pronger
4. Zdeno Chara
The fifth spot, could be any of:
Duncan Keith, Rob Blake or Brian Rafalski
Those are my personal top 4 (of overall skill, over a period of atleast 3 years) and my #5 tie.
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Guest9774
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Posted - 06/13/2010 : 06:01:58
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| DUNCAN KEITH IS A BEAST |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 06/13/2010 : 17:52:20
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Phaneuf easily he does everything
RE-SIGN PATTY |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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hockeyrocks101
Top Prospect
Canada
43 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2010 : 17:34:05
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| Are you kidding me.... Drew Doughty and Duncan Kieth are 1 million times better than Souray, Kabrle and Phaneuf. |
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Awesome One
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/23/2010 : 06:14:39
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Originally posted by hockeyrocks101
Are you kidding me.... Drew Doughty and Duncan Kieth are 1 million times better than Souray, Kabrle and Phaneuf.
You do realize that this poll was made three years ago, and one year before Doughty was in the NHL.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 11/23/2010 : 09:33:30
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These old thread are funny...
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Phaneuf is more defensive than lidstrom is
I almost spilled coffee on myself  |
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Awesome One
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
505 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2010 : 16:40:42
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Originally posted by nuxfan
These old thread are funny...
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Phaneuf is more defensive than lidstrom is
I almost spilled coffee on myself
Ya, old threads are the best!
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
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Utemin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
451 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2010 : 17:35:08
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WHY ISNT PK SUBBAN ON THE LIST
IM COMPLAINING
WHY ISNT EKMAN LARRSON ON THE LIST IM GOING SUICIDE
The Monkey is me |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2010 : 18:53:19
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| probably because this poll was created in 2007.... where was Subban then? |
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Awesome One
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
505 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2010 : 06:23:33
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Originally posted by nuxfan
probably because this poll was created in 2007.... where was Subban then?
I don't even think he was established in juniors yet.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
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hockeyrocks101
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 11/26/2010 : 15:09:59
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| oops my mistake.... i would say 3 years ago it was Lidstrom. |
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