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umteman
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Posted - 01/19/2017 :  15:16:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What say you?

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/brent-burns-makes-case-as-nhls-best-player-200137990.html


Did you hear about the retired proctologist? He spent 40 years saying "what's a place like this doing in a girl like you?"

JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 01/20/2017 :  12:22:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by umteman

What say you?

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/brent-burns-makes-case-as-nhls-best-player-200137990.html


Did you hear about the retired proctologist? He spent 40 years saying "what's a place like this doing in a girl like you?"



I am ok with him leading consideration for the Norris. He is having an exceptional season and probably deserved it last year. Can't believe they gave it to Doughty, who was having a poor season compared to his other recent seasons, based on a life time achievement basis. Its like giving him a bridesmaid award, never really the best but good enough long enough to be recognised. In my opinion Burns should already have won 1 norris already. And this from a Karlsson fan. But Hart? No! McDavid to me is the closest to a lock for that award as anybody. Crosby, Price, maybe, but Burns no! He might not even be the best player on his own team.
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umteman
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Posted - 01/20/2017 :  13:24:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And I find myself agreeing with pretty much everything you have said; except that I expect Sidney Crosby to take home his third Hart.

Did you hear about the retired proctologist? He spent 40 years saying "what's a place like this doing in a girl like you?"
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slozo
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Posted - 01/28/2017 :  20:26:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Burns deserves to be in the conversation.

Crosby will be front-runner, but McDavid also there.

If Crosby continues at this pace, he will pass McDavid and win it.

Don't Leaf me hanging, Buds!
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leigh
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Posted - 02/22/2017 :  10:12:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Its been a month since this topic popped up and man Burns is still on a tear; 3rd in the league in points, with 27 goals, and a plus 22. the closest d-man is Karlsson who is 12 points back.

You may as well give him the Norris right now. But the Hart? You could put a case up for him now but there's still 20+ games left. McDavid is probably, by definition the Hart winner at this stage. He's carrying his own team on his shoulders, more so than Burns. The opposing argument being that Burns is a d-man who is putting up forward-type numbers, but that is not a strong enough argument for winning the Hart in my opinion.
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 02/22/2017 :  10:32:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This year is a clear cut reason to add a Bobby Orr trophy. Crosby and McDavid will likely take home the honours, yet the defenseman on at least 2 teams are the clearcut MVP's for there teams and arguably for the league. Not saying Crosby and McDavid aren't worthy, but when yesteryear Gretzky and Lemieux had 85-90 goals - 200 point seasons and its likely the top forward today will likely not break 50 goals or 100 points, they will likely be more celebrated for more marginal accomplishments, than there defenseman.

The accomplishments of Burns, Karlsson and Hedman (who is doing surprisingly well offensively) at this point will be marginalized, because offense from a defenseman is less celebrated, even chastised in Norris conversation for a more traditional defensive role player. Burns is putting up goals not seen from a defenseman since Coffey's heyday and Karlsson for years has been putting up points and assist numbers a a ppg rate not seen in a generation. Both should be more celebrated than they have been. A Bobby Orr Trophy would do that.
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Alex116
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Posted - 02/22/2017 :  16:16:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not shocking the top 3 scorers are who I'd prob have as the 3 finalists? If the vote were today, Crosby would likely get mine. BUT, Burns and McDavid wouldn't shock me as winners. It's insane what Burns is doing! He's on pace for 36 goals and with one or two really big games, it's not beyond the realm that he could pot 40. Sure, not likely, but the fact I'm even considering it is amazing!
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Ripley
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Posted - 02/23/2017 :  17:22:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA

This year is a clear cut reason to add a Bobby Orr trophy. Crosby and McDavid will likely take home the honours, yet the defenseman on at least 2 teams are the clearcut MVP's for there teams and arguably for the league. Not saying Crosby and McDavid aren't worthy, but when yesteryear Gretzky and Lemieux had 85-90 goals - 200 point seasons and its likely the top forward today will likely not break 50 goals or 100 points, they will likely be more celebrated for more marginal accomplishments, than there defenseman.

The accomplishments of Burns, Karlsson and Hedman (who is doing surprisingly well offensively) at this point will be marginalized, because offense from a defenseman is less celebrated, even chastised in Norris conversation for a more traditional defensive role player. Burns is putting up goals not seen from a defenseman since Coffey's heyday and Karlsson for years has been putting up points and assist numbers a a ppg rate not seen in a generation. Both should be more celebrated than they have been. A Bobby Orr Trophy would do that.



I like the idea of a Bobby Orr trophy. It would be good to have a distinction for that role. Burns really could win both this year. The sad thing is the longer he keeps doing well the longer we'll have to put up with that s***ty beard!
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umteman
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Posted - 02/23/2017 :  18:32:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I wonder what he is going to do come playoff time!

Did you hear about the retired proctologist? He spent 40 years saying "what's a place like this doing in a girl like you?"
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leigh
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Posted - 02/24/2017 :  13:32:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by umteman

I wonder what he is going to do come playoff time!



Gandalf!
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umteman
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Posted - 03/01/2017 :  10:53:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Or maybe he'll shave a week before the playoffs so he can start over.

Did you hear about the retired proctologist? He spent 40 years saying "what's a place like this doing in a girl like you?"
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Ripley
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Posted - 03/02/2017 :  16:16:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by umteman

Or maybe he'll shave a week before the playoffs so he can start over.



That should be the rule.
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