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Bleeding Blue and White
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 Posted - 12/18/2007 : 06:25:13
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Poll Question:
Chris Simon has taken a leave of absence from the team. When he comes back, should he get a suspension from the NHL?
~Long Live the Leafs~
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PuckNuts
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 12/18/2007 : 07:02:15
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Just because he takes time off on his own, does not mean he will not get a suspension.
His suspension will be tacked on when, and if he returns.
He is a multiple offender, and the league needs to look at a very lengthy suspension on this one...
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
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Antroman
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 12/18/2007 : 08:05:33
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| I don't believe he will be back in the league until he gets some serious help and counselling for his problem. Everyone says he is as nice a guy as you would want to meet off the ice but for some reason he just loses it out there. They are going to have to get to the bottom of this problem before he comes back. |
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Guest4912
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Posted - 12/18/2007 : 08:58:32
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chris simon has some serious problems. he just got back from a 25 game suspension. get him out of the league forever. he doesnt deserve to play hockey anymore. what the hell is counselling going to do, llike come on, what a joke!!!!!!!
i dont care how nice he is off the ice, how much he apologizes, or how much responsibility he takes for his actions. he is pathetic. |
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Guest9252
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Posted - 12/18/2007 : 10:06:31
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| 51 games left for the islanders ... Simon shouldnt be playing any of them |
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Leafs Rock Planet
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 12/18/2007 : 15:18:14
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Chris Simon has crossed the line before in the past but this just takes the cake.
Seven career suspensions is nothing to be proud of. I thought what he did to Ryan Hollweg was terrible and legal action should have been take in.
I saw the play that happened with Ruutu but I still quite cant figure it out. Was there something that Ruutu did that triggered Simon to go physco and knock him down and then step on his foot with a skate blade? |
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Bleeding Blue and White
Top Prospect
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Posted - 12/18/2007 : 16:10:54
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I don't think he should be back in the league. He has done two major incidences and with him the NHL is a little more dangerous.
~Long Live the Leafs~ |
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Beans15
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I HATE CROSBY
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 12/19/2007 : 10:56:43
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Probably should have been a lot less...I think the maximum suspension a guy got for a kick before was, about 5 games...Ya, Simon's a repeate offender, and should get more than 5 games, but 30? Easy now!
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leigh
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Posted - 12/19/2007 : 15:18:59
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| I've had lots of time to think about this one and I have to say that I think the penalty matches the crime. Maybe a little too steep for just a kick, but reasonable if you consider that it was more of a stomping motion rather than a kick with the toe. I'm not convinced that the crime warranted a year long suspension or a "lifetime ban" as some people suggested. Yes, it was his 8th offence, and that is why he got a steep 30 games. I think the NHL got it right. |
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Guest4590
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Posted - 12/19/2007 : 18:52:36
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| I think that Ruutu should of been suspended rather Simon! He is a really nice guy, you should give him a break. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 12/20/2007 : 07:01:35
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The bottom line is that this action has only one intent and that is to hurt the other player. Plus, the fact that this guy has been puinished for action intented to hurt people 7 other times, it makes it unacceptable. And I know some of the sportscasters are talking about Pronger having 7 suspensions as well. I think there is a difference. A "hockey play" that turns dirty, a la elbow to McAmmond's head, is a far different situation compared to pulling the legs out from a player and stomping on the back of his skate AFTER THE WHISTLE WAS BLOWN.
My opinion is this:
the Islanders and Simon were trying to reduce the impact by the LOA and the "I need help" thing. In the end, this guy is simply dangerous, has no regard for the safety of other players, and has proven that he will hurt people intentionally again and again,(and again, and again, and again, and again, and again) and has no place in the NHL I want to be a fan of. If the NHLPA or the owners had any class at all, they would let this guy's contract run out and no one sign him.
And finally, the sickest thing of all this is that the NHL Disciplinary committee has yet to figure things out. The suspension system will only start working when the league punishes the action, not the outcome. I absolutely, without question, believe that if Ruutu was hurt on this play the suspension would have been the rest of the year or lifetime.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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SuperSakic
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 12/20/2007 : 12:05:22
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I know what Simon did was wrong. Totally got what he deserved. But what I want to ask is this: Did it really hurt as bad as Ruutu made it seem like it was? I know that skates are supposed to be strong and durable. And it didn't seem like Simon even lifted his skate that high off the ground. In other words, it didn't seem like an uber-stomp. And if one's foot did get stomped on, one wouldn't really be kicking that foot up and down on the ice like Ruutu was doing.
Did anyone else think this? |
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Beans15
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Posted - 12/20/2007 : 16:34:29
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Sakic, my point is the exact opposite. It doesn't matter if Ruutu embelished things or not. The point is that I have no doubt in my mind that SImon did it to hurt him. It he succeeded or not is irrelevant.
If someone shoots a cop but the cop doesn't get hurt because of a bullet proof vest, does that mean it's no longer attempted murder??
I know that's a huge stretch, but I think you see my point. Expecially in hockey. It's not whether or not someone get's hurt, it the point that the player did something intended on inflicting some kind of pain or injury.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 12/21/2007 : 19:59:42
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Having played hockey all of my life, and worn all types of skates, the chances of Simon cutting through the boot and causing any damage to Ruutu's foot or ankle was about as remote as the blade of his skate becoming unattached, flipping into the air, and poking Sidney Crosby in the eye.
You'd need a hacksaw and a few minutes to cut through the boot of a skate. That stomp was not going to do it.
With that said, it was just plain stupid of Simon to do that. I don't think he was trying to do anything other than stomp on a little twerp. Certainly, he was not trying to do any real damage. If he wanted to injure Ruutu, there are a thousand more effective ways to do it.
He still deserves a lengthy suspension, based on his priors. |
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MSC
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 12/21/2007 : 20:26:20
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| Just because it's unlikely for him to cut through the boot of a skate with his blade doesn't mean it couldn't cause injury. He easily could have snapped his ankle or shin with enough pressure and at the right angle. What if Ruutu was laying the other way and he came down on his throat? Simon is a greasy,greasy hockey player. A normal person first instinct isn't to two hand someone in the face with their stick or stomp on them with their skate. If someone did that to someone on the street they'd be charged if it was their first time, if it was their 8th not only would they be going to jail but they'd serve a fair bit of time. Simon isn't a 13 year old kid who doesn't know any better he's a grown man. I guess the drugs and alcohol has kept his brain from developing at the same rate as his body. Simon, you're a true inspiration to the Native community. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 12/22/2007 : 09:52:46
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If you try to shoot someone wearing a bulletproof vest, does that mean it's no longer attempted murder because it was unlikely the bullet would hit the person??
I know it's a stretch, but I think you get my point. Even if Simon knows that he couldn't cut through the boot, does that mean his intention was something else.
Can anyone reasonably come up with some kind of rational behind what Simon did other than tring to hurt Ruutu??
Be careful, I said REASONABLE
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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andyhack
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 12/22/2007 : 23:24:55
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Thirty games is too short in my opinion. I actually don't consider these numbers that are coming up recently, 20, 25, 30... all that big actually, so obviously I disagree when people come on here referring to so-called "long" suspensions.
Thirty games - what's that? A few months of no hockey. Then the guy goes back to playing a sport for good money. Seems short to me.
Now I admit that I say this from a certain perspective though. I do not bleed and breath hockey to the degree of some of the members of this site. I simply see a man with skates on purposely stepping on another man with skates on. When I see that I think, hey that guy probably shouldn't be allowed to play this game for like, well, quite a while. What is "quite a while" - I don't know. But I think a good six months away from the game wouldn't be out of order.
Think of it this way, way back, when the inventors of hockey were putting the game together, if someone would have popped up at the very end of the meetings and said, "Oh, and hey, if it's clear that a player purposely tries to step on another player, we shouldn't let him play for six months after that, right?", would that guy have been absolutely nuts? I don't think so.
The game is dangerous enough with the potential of pure accidents and with the cloudy in-between stuff that can arguably be at least partially excused on the, "it's a fast paced physical game" basis. A guy clearly steps on another guy on purpose? Not so much need for applying our discretion beyond that information in my humble opinion. I say automatically six months before that guy sees any ice, minimum, before even considering the repeat offender factor.
So there you have it hockey bleeding and breathing guys. Fire away at my Chauncy the Gardener way of thinking.
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Guest6771
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Posted - 12/23/2007 : 09:38:28
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simon has gon lost it he is very violent i think he hears voices. but ha slashed ryan hollweg in the face now he stomps on ruutus skate. its probably because he has nothing better to do on the ice.
does he have any points this season?
p.s. happy holidays |
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MSC
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 12/24/2007 : 03:38:26
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| Well I must say I'm pretty surprised and disappointed to see Don Cherry defending Simon. I have all the respect in the world for Cherry but what would his stance be if that was some visor wearing europeon or frenchman swinging his stick around like Ron Jeremy swings his stick around? |
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Antroman
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 12/24/2007 : 10:49:01
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| I don't think Don Cherry was so much defending Chris Simon but was saying that guys like Hollweig and Ruutu are little rats that should be taken care off by dropping the instigator rule. These guys are running around bugging the crap out of eveybody until they snap and then like in Ruutu's case roll around on the ice in theatrical bliss in order to draw the maximum sentence. He was only defending them to make his point in the other reguard. That is how I took it anyway. One thing I have to say about Cherry though is that in his day he was a pretty tough customer and a little stick work was quite prominent back then. It wasn't frowned upon like it is today. Stick swinging fights were quite a bit more common back in the fifties pretty much up until the Maki/Green incident in the sixties when the real push started to eliminate it. |
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Chris Simon - Leave of absence 
