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freddyboy
Rookie
Canada
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 Posted - 01/25/2010 : 20:49:23
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hey guys
it's been two weeks that i've been trying to figure out something, and i wonder if there's a rule or not for the following: if a goal is "scored", ruled no goal on the ice and the play continue because the puck is loose and the team who scored wants to go to the review at the next stopage, which is normal and is what happen in most case. but what if the next stopage is a goal for the other team?
do they allow both goals? or just the first one since they "reset" the clock to the first goal time.
i've been wondering about it because in MTL-NYR games 2 weeks ago there was a goal but the refs waves it because it's a close call and they went to the review to see it, but the play continue for over a minute or two, so i was wondering what would happen if montreal would have scored....
thanks guym i hope you can try to help me out
joe is a god, if u dont agree....i dont care
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Bozonator
Top Prospect
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Posted - 01/25/2010 : 21:19:02
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No, It is impossible, and there is a rule on it.
A Pittsburgh game a while ago Gonchar fired a shot into the backbar and it came out, the reft said no goal and the play continued where Gonchar hooked the player on the breakaway. It was called a Penalty Shot. The first goal was under review and was ruled a goal, and the penalty stayed, but not the penalty shot cause two goals cannot be awarded at the same time.
Something like that. Don't know the exact rule, but I know it's a rule. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2010 : 21:38:47
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If the goal is waved off at first and the play goes on, what ever happens between the point of the goal and the next whistle is irrelevant. If the goal is considered a goal, the clock if moved back to that point and play starts with a face off at centre ice.
For example, Team A scores but the goal is waved off, then Team B takes the puck down the ice and scores directly, then team A's goal stands and Team B's does not.
Something similar happened with the Islanders last season. The guy scored in OT but the goal was waved off. Following the play, the exact same guys got the puck back and scored. |
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polishexpress
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 01/25/2010 : 21:50:26
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I concur with Beans. If play continues after a possible goal, ruled no goal at the time by the ref, and another goal is scored in ensuing play by either team, but the first is reviewed and indeed ruled a goal, time is set back to when the first was scored and anything that occurred after is as if it never happened.
I remember this occurred a number of years back in a Calgary-Edmonton game where one team appeared to score, but refs allowed play to continue for a bit of time, the other team scored, then they reviewed the first potential goal, deemed it legal, time was reset, and the second, though legal, didn't exist. When this happens in a game, it sure makes for some exciting hockey!
Obviously, if upon review the first is deemed not a goal, the second, if legal will stand. |
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1547 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2010 : 22:43:51
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Yes only one goal can happen but a penalty is still called. Ut happened last year in a Canucks wings game. The wings scored play continued rafalski took a penalty and the goal stood but the wings were still given a penalty.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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Guest3349
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Posted - 01/25/2010 : 23:42:12
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Yeah, the first goal would count and the clock would be reset.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEmC8Zhj-RY
watch that and listen to the annoucers saying how "it may all be for naught" and "they might have to replay all of this over again if it was a goal"
ps. cant believe how long that play goes. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 01/25/2010 : 23:53:53
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| Canucks Man....I'm really surprised to hear that the penalty would still be called? Not saying you're wrong at all, just surprised. I could see if it were a flagrant hit of some sort that a suspension would still be issued, but a penalty seems strange. |
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1547 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2010 : 01:19:59
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Originally posted by Alex116
Canucks Man....I'm really surprised to hear that the penalty would still be called? Not saying you're wrong at all, just surprised. I could see if it were a flagrant hit of some sort that a suspension would still be issued, but a penalty seems strange.
I think thats the point, but where do you draw the line? say a hook or hold is not still a penalty, but a hit from behind or a high stick that knocks out 2 teeth are? Its better to have all or none, and in this case its all.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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freddyboy
Rookie
Canada
218 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2010 : 15:08:40
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Originally posted by Guest3349
Yeah, the first goal would count and the clock would be reset.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEmC8Zhj-RY
watch that and listen to the annoucers saying how "it may all be for naught" and "they might have to replay all of this over again if it was a goal"
ps. cant believe how long that play goes.
thanks guy for the replies, that'S waht i wanted to know, it was what i thought but i was wondering.
thanks for the video, thats actually what i wanted to represent but in my case, the puck did went in the goal for the first one
joe is a god, if u dont agree....i dont care |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2010 : 22:13:37
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Here is another interesting call and I never knew. I was at the Edmonton/Chicago game today and during a delay penalty call against the Oilers, the Blackhawk came off the bench before the goalie got there. Rather than it be a too many men on the ice call, the play is simply whistled down that the PP starts.
I have never watched that before. Did anyone else know that was the rule?? |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2010 : 22:46:23
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Originally posted by Beans15
Here is another interesting call and I never knew. I was at the Edmonton/Chicago game today and during a delay penalty call against the Oilers, the Blackhawk came off the bench before the goalie got there. Rather than it be a too many men on the ice call, the play is simply whistled down that the PP starts.
I have never watched that before. Did anyone else know that was the rule??
Beans, i've seen that one called here in Van before, and believe it or not, Burrows didn't whine about the call  . Going to the game tomorrow night vs the Blues. I'll be sure to keep a count on Burrows dives for ya!  Wanna set the over / under? |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2010 : 08:15:43
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Can do it Alex. You have Orca Colors glasses on. I don't blame ya for it, as I wear Orange and Blue Glasses. It's just what fans do.
But for fun, I would say the line would be set at 16, 456 dives.
I take the over. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2010 : 23:46:06
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| Well, Burrow's dives were on the under tonight! Have to say, he got whacked leaving his zone in the 3rd and i was expecting him to go down after all you've said, but he didn't! Maybe he's better when he's diving, he and the Sedin's didn't do much tonight! Henrik did draw a penalty that led to the winning goal though. And, i have to say, it didn't look like much of a penalty from where i was sitting. Only saw one replay on the big screen and it wasn't a great angle, still think he embelished it a bit. Kariya (who took the penalty) was visibly upset, don't think he thought it was much of a slash either? Oh well, ya win some, ya lose some i guess? |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 01/28/2010 : 10:53:23
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Sorry Alex, I missed the game last night. I was out playing a game that is more suited to Burrow's skills.
That sport being soccer. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2010 : 11:25:43
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LOL, s'all good! Wish you'd seen the Kariya slash on Hank. The Blues can't be all that impressed with the call, that's for sure. Wasn't a great game overall really but when the tix are free, i'm not about to complain. Okay, i will about the $7.75 Canadians i couldn't say no to!  |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2010 : 12:52:27
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Originally posted by Alex116
LOL, s'all good! Wish you'd seen the Kariya slash on Hank. The Blues can't be all that impressed with the call, that's for sure. Wasn't a great game overall really but when the tix are free, i'm not about to complain. Okay, i will about the $7.75 Canadians i couldn't say no to!
I actually watched the highlights about the Kariya call. All I can say is that if you don't want the PIM's, keep the stick off the gloves. It's kind of an unwritten rule with the "New NHL" that stick up in the opponents gloves= automatic call. And this whole 5 minutes left thing is a joke. If it's a penalty in the first 5 minutes, it's a penalty in the last 5 minutes (and visa versa).
Surprisingly, that kind of supports the Canucks. I think it just threw up in my mouth a little bit. 
And do you want to talk about a streak of free tix?? I got a set for my wife and I to watch Chicago on Tuesday, I am going to St. Louis tonight sitting row three on section to the right of the Oilers bench and I am also sitting in club seats for next Wednesday Philly game.
Grand Total of Tickets = $0!!!!
I don't mind the $8 Canadians when I paid zero for the combined nearly $500 in tickets! And to see the Hawks and the Flyers!! Wicked awesome! |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 01/28/2010 : 15:23:34
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Originally posted by Beans15
I think it just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
LOL! That's some funny sh1t!
I've done pretty good this year as well. Been to 2 games with friends in club seats (tix they were given and took me),1 with a company we buy from in a regular suite (free food, booze, etc), 1 in a skybox (upper boxes at GM Place, not as good a view as the regular suites but still good, free food and beer, etc), last night with tix from a customer of ours and one i paid $80 to go with friends on a bus trip from a local bar.
Funny though, i'm not getting any free Olympic tickets from any of my customers? |
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