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Guest4912
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Posted - 12/13/2006 :  10:40:10  Reply with Quote
Who and why

Guest4912
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Posted - 12/13/2006 :  10:42:06  Reply with Quote
I guess I'll go with Johnny Bucyk because of all those dedicated years in Boston and contributing in almost every way.
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Guest2919
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Posted - 12/14/2006 :  15:19:21  Reply with Quote
Mike Bossy - 50G for 10 straight seasons will never be done again. Highest goal-per-game average ever.

DAN - Calgary
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spearbelly
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Posted - 12/16/2006 :  23:46:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The BOSS was great but never underrated.
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Guest4638
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Posted - 12/17/2006 :  01:32:37  Reply with Quote
Ron Francis.

He never went unnoticed, and is certainly credited for being a great player.. However, he was never given nearly enough credit.
Francis is 4th in NHL points ALL-TIME, right behind Gordie Howe, Messier, and Greatzky.. but how often have you ever heard his
name come up with the discussion of 'best ever' comes up? He should
be at least considered! There are many superstars (who get more limelight than Ronnie) behind him like Dionne, Yzerman, Lemieux (yes, if he was healthy...), Espisito, Sakic, Jagr, LaFleur, Savard, ...

He's had a tremendous career.. quietly been a workhorse... made all
the players around him better.. and got a few stanley cup rings to
show for his hard work.

Ron Francis, one of the best ever, and one of the most underrated
players ever.
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Guest4638
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Posted - 12/17/2006 :  01:34:32  Reply with Quote
I guess I was thinking 'great one' when I misspelled Gretzky's name. ;)


quote:
Originally posted by Guest4638

Ron Francis.

He never went unnoticed, and is certainly credited for being a great player.. However, he was never given nearly enough credit.
Francis is 4th in NHL points ALL-TIME, right behind Gordie Howe, Messier, and Greatzky.. but how often have you ever heard his
name come up with the discussion of 'best ever' comes up? He should
be at least considered! There are many superstars (who get more limelight than Ronnie) behind him like Dionne, Yzerman, Lemieux (yes, if he was healthy...), Espisito, Sakic, Jagr, LaFleur, Savard, ...

He's had a tremendous career.. quietly been a workhorse... made all
the players around him better.. and got a few stanley cup rings to
show for his hard work.

Ron Francis, one of the best ever, and one of the most underrated
players ever.

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Beans15
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Posted - 12/17/2006 :  06:57:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bossy is in the Hall of Fame, so is Bucyk. Francis will be in shortly, no question. What about Glen Anderson?? He was a point a game guy for his career, and was one of the top play off performers of all time. Hard to argue with 5 Cups. Will he ever be in the Hall of Fame?? Nope, because of some Child Support stuff that was in the Media?? He may be recognized by his peers on his play, but he will always be snubbed by the Hall. That makes him the most underrated player in History.

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Guest4652
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Posted - 12/17/2006 :  07:48:00  Reply with Quote
Joe Nieuwendyk. Has anyone else got 1000+ points and 3 cups with 3 teams.
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framer87
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Posted - 12/17/2006 :  08:47:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

Bossy is in the Hall of Fame, so is Bucyk. Francis will be in shortly, no question. What about Glen Anderson?? He was a point a game guy for his career, and was one of the top play off performers of all time. Hard to argue with 5 Cups. Will he ever be in the Hall of Fame?? Nope, because of some Child Support stuff that was in the Media?? He may be recognized by his peers on his play, but he will always be snubbed by the Hall. That makes him the most underrated player in History.





Yup

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Guest6916
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Posted - 12/18/2006 :  15:02:28  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

Bossy is in the Hall of Fame, so is Bucyk. Francis will be in shortly, no question. What about Glen Anderson?? He was a point a game guy for his career, and was one of the top play off performers of all time. Hard to argue with 5 Cups. Will he ever be in the Hall of Fame?? Nope, because of some Child Support stuff that was in the Media?? He may be recognized by his peers on his play, but he will always be snubbed by the Hall. That makes him the most underrated player in History.





He was good but I think he benefited from Gretzky, Kurri, Messier, Coffey etc.
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bablaboushka
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Posted - 12/18/2006 :  15:14:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ron Francis, I think by a long shot. The guy had 1798 points, for 4th all-time yet who ever talks about him? Of those points, 1249 were assists which is 2nd place all-time behind you-know-who. What kind of recognition does this guy get? Look at the Best Team Ever thread and notice how he's on no one's list... How a guy with those stats can be so under-the-radar just baffles me.
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Guest9811
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Posted - 12/18/2006 :  15:23:11  Reply with Quote
The most underrated player has to be Ron Francis, he keeps a very low profile, has been in the shadow of some very talented hockey players (Jagr and Lemieux for example), and was never a flashy goal scorer or playmaker, probably why many do not acknowledge him as one of the greatest of all time.
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Guest6916
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Posted - 12/18/2006 :  15:39:23  Reply with Quote
Everybody here is listing players who are all in or going to be in the hall of fame. Players who easily roll off a fan's tongue because they scored points. NONE of the guys listed above were UNDERRATED. They all have their place firmly in the history of the game and will always be recognized. Ron Francis was the man, and I don't think he is snubbed in any way.

Dig a little deeper and pull out some names that are really underrated. Guys like Trevor Linden - 836 points in 1275 games, one of the best face off specialists in his day, The NHL's iron man at one time (over 5 seasons without missing a game) Incredible team leader, and the guy took every beating and came back for more every game.
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Guest9912
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Posted - 12/24/2006 :  17:25:02  Reply with Quote
Grant Fuhr!
Just Kidding!
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leigh
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Posted - 12/24/2006 :  18:17:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree with 6916, we need to dig deeper. While Francis may be cheated a bit when compared with the SUPER ELITE he is still credited with being the second best set-up man in the game.

I'll add Darryl Sittler to the list. NHL record of 10 points in 1 game (6 goals and 4 assists). It was previously held by the Rocket with 8 points. It may never be beaten. He was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 89 though.

Edited by - leigh on 12/24/2006 20:09:45
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1 Crosby fan
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Posted - 12/24/2006 :  20:51:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree with leigh Darryl Sittler 10 points in 1 game may nerver broken
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bablaboushka
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Posted - 12/24/2006 :  21:44:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The only similar feat I've seen was Radulov's 11-point game, 7G 4A, in the Q last year (or was it earlier this year?). That was sick.
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Guest6125
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Posted - 12/24/2006 :  22:58:05  Reply with Quote
DINO CICCERELLI
HE HAS MORE GOALS THEN MAURICE RICHARD AND IS NOT IN THE HALL OF FAME
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Guest6125
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Posted - 12/24/2006 :  22:59:37  Reply with Quote
Soyy, make that 608 career goals
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Blubberboy
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Posted - 12/25/2006 :  18:45:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest2919

Mike Bossy - 50G for 10 straight seasons will never be done again. Highest goal-per-game average ever.

DAN - Calgary


Barely anybody knows Mike Bossy. Mike Bossy was the first rookie to score his 50th goal.
Charlie Simmer was the second rookie to score 50 goals.
(Did you know? They were both in the same season!!)

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Beans15
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Posted - 12/27/2006 :  09:50:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Francis definately flies under the radar. The arguement that Anderson benefited from Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, and Coffey is a good point. But why are all of them in the Hall of Fame (Messier will be no question) but Anderson isn't.

I think this thread should be re-names as "Most Under Recognized"

My vote is still for Anderson, with Francis a close second.
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leigh
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Posted - 12/27/2006 :  10:42:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Blubberboy

quote:
Originally posted by Guest2919

Mike Bossy - 50G for 10 straight seasons will never be done again. Highest goal-per-game average ever.

DAN - Calgary


Barely anybody knows Mike Bossy. Mike Bossy was the first rookie to score his 50th goal.
Charlie Simmer was the second rookie to score 50 goals.
(Did you know? They were both in the same season!!)

Go Canucks


I guess that depends on how old you are. I remember him very clearly because he was in the NHL when I was playing my minor hockey. Nine consecutive seasons with over 50 goals!!! It would have been ten but his back gave out and he had to retire. He even broke 60 five times. And to boot he has 4 Stanley Cups.

I suppose like Brett Hull (although not as outspoken) he was a pure goal scorer and not recognized as an all around player. Also he was in his prime the same time Gretzky was in his...maybe that contributes to his not being recognized by the younger generation. But I guarantee you that if you were around when he was streaking down the ice with Trottier at his side, you'd remember him.

Speaking of Trottier, I was fortunate enough to meet him. You'll never meet a nicer and more humble NHL'r. Classy guy.
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Guest4751
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Posted - 12/27/2006 :  11:50:27  Reply with Quote
Dale Hawerchuk hands down. He played with no one in Winnipeg and still put up big points. He made the Canada Cup teams over Savard and Yzerman (and was the game 3 MVP in '87).

Underrated because Savard and Joe Mullen went into the Hall before him.

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Guest8115
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Posted - 12/27/2006 :  11:57:03  Reply with Quote
Ever heard of Steve Larmer???/?
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-oil-country-
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Posted - 12/29/2006 :  22:58:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
not the most underrated player in history but i think Jason Pominville is the most underrated player right now
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willus3
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Posted - 01/19/2007 :  19:36:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Guest 8115 nailed it. Steve Larmer. What a work horse.
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PuckNuts
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Posted - 01/19/2007 :  21:07:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If it was not for a contract dispute he would be the NHL Ironman...

Played in NF...got to love him...


After all tomorrow is another day...
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semin-rules
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Posted - 01/20/2007 :  11:02:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 1 Crosby fan

I agree with leigh Darryl Sittler 10 points in 1 game may nerver broken





soooo true




~~~~~GO STARS~~~~~
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Guest8460
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Posted - 01/20/2007 :  11:17:32  Reply with Quote
Rod Brind'amour
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Guest4912
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Posted - 01/17/2008 :  12:49:25  Reply with Quote
eric liondros
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hkalirah
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Posted - 01/17/2008 :  13:45:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How about guys like Brendan Shanahan, or Luke Robitaille?

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willus3
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Posted - 01/17/2008 :  14:31:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest6916

quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

Bossy is in the Hall of Fame, so is Bucyk. Francis will be in shortly, no question. What about Glen Anderson?? He was a point a game guy for his career, and was one of the top play off performers of all time. Hard to argue with 5 Cups. Will he ever be in the Hall of Fame?? Nope, because of some Child Support stuff that was in the Media?? He may be recognized by his peers on his play, but he will always be snubbed by the Hall. That makes him the most underrated player in History.





He was good but I think he benefited from Gretzky, Kurri, Messier, Coffey etc.



Actually, I would say Anderson was one of the greats on that team who was great because of himself and not because of the other guys. He was that type of player. He was a kamikaze. 'Clutch' as they say.

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Guest8372
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Posted - 01/17/2008 :  14:32:32  Reply with Quote

Retired (and not yet mentioned)
Adam Oates
Peter Bondra
Brian Bellows
Vinny Damphousse

Still playing
Brind'Amour
Savard
Stillman
Recchi

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Guest5004
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Posted - 01/17/2008 :  15:12:37  Reply with Quote
Mike Gartner was great
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PainTrain
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Posted - 01/17/2008 :  15:48:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alex

quote:
Originally posted by Guest5004

Mike Gartner was great



I never even heard of his name before researching, and yet, he is what, like top 5 in points in the NHL all time list? Why is this? Anyone want to offer some insight?

Habs get number 25 this year



Mike Gartner was the fastest player to play at his time. He had about 15 or more consecutive 30 goal seasons. He was quite an underrated player.
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andyhack
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Posted - 01/17/2008 :  16:58:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Whether it's right or not, I don't know, but I think the following three reasons are part the answer to your question Alex:

1. He never won a cup and, with only one or two exceptions, was rarely on a team that went far in the playoffs

2. Although he was very consistent offensively, he only had one season over 50 goals. I know, one is amazing too. But think of it this way. Denis Maruk scored 60 goals one year in the 80s. Ever heard of him?

3. That leads to the other point. His prime was in the 80s. A lot of forwards scored a lot of points in the much more offensive 80s.

Aside from that, though very talented (INCREDIBLY fast) he was a quiet, non-flashy personality. Guys like that sometimes get overlooked. Again, not saying it's right.

He is, however, in the HHOF, so there is that argument against calling him too underrated. He also got on that top 60 list I believe.

I personally think the Guest who chose Linden has a good point. Guys like that, whose contributions can't be measured in points, meet the definition of underrated better I think.

Larmer, of course, is another good one.

Of course, given all that I've said I have to also mention Ratelle. Also, what about Serge Savard? Both of these guys have been honoured by the HHOF, yes, but I think both of them are probably not thought of as highly as they deserve.

Having said that, I return to the Linden and Larmer choices as being the best choices for this crown in my opinion.

Edit - I think another reason for Gartner not getting as much credit as maybe he deserves is that he played all of those years in Washington. If for the first ten years of his career he had played in Toronto, or a number of other cities where hockey is bigger than in Washington, he'd probably get more credit historically.

Edited by - andyhack on 01/17/2008 17:50:44
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willus3
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Posted - 01/17/2008 :  18:12:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm changing my previous answer of Steve Larmer, who is still very underrated, to Mark Howe.
This guy gets no recognition. The best player not in the HHOF IMO.

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Posted - 01/17/2008 :  19:56:15  Reply with Quote
The most underrated hockey player in the history of the game is Henri Richard. He has 11 Stanley cups, and most people haven't heard of him.
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Guest0249
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Posted - 01/17/2008 :  20:02:43  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4912

eric liondros




Eric Lindros, in my opinion, is the most overrated hockey player in the history of the game. All the publicity, for what. A big man who cracked like an egg.
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Posted - 01/17/2008 :  20:39:20  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest0249

The most underrated hockey player in the history of the game is Henri Richard. He has 11 Stanley cups, and most people haven't heard of him.



I suppose if you are under the age of 12 and know nothing of the Canadiens' history you haven't heard of him.
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Guest4912
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Posted - 01/18/2008 :  09:15:31  Reply with Quote
guest 0249 you got to get it sraight Eric Lindros was a power forward who lead his team to the finals numerous times he was one of the priemer players through the 1990's. yes scott stevens did hit him but then at the end of the series eric tooled scott in the fight crackred like an egg my ass. he has also beaten mc sorley in a fight and broke joe thortons jaw. watch the highlights kid he was one of the most dominate hitters when he played, layting out every one on the ice. get it sraight kid do some research before you start rattiling your snout.................nuf said
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