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Alex116
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 Posted - 08/16/2010 : 12:50:35
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Originally posted by Beans15
I heard the exact same deal for Bieksa to go to SJ.
However, to say that teams were interested in Bieksa so Kaberle didn't move is a joke. No one in their right mind would compare to the two players. Kaberle is not as physical but that is the only thing Bieksa has over him.
Bottom line, no one was willing to give Burke what he wanted. Period. Good on Burke for standing firm for his expectations, however this is much like the Kessel deal last year. Everyone says it's good now, but wait 12 months. If Kaberle leaves as a UFA for nothing, it will be 2 seasons in a row that TO fans can complain about something their GM did a year earlier.
Leaf fans best get used to it. Burke has always been one of the more stubborn SOB's to run a team! I too am a little shocked (if it's true) that he turned down the deal from SJ. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 08/16/2010 : 20:02:19
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beans/alex - like I said, just what I hear on the wire, I don't put much credence into it either. FWIW, Mark Spector said the same thing in regards to Bieksa and Mitchell being available having an effect on the Kaberle market (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2010/08/16/spector_kaberle/ - not a deterrent to trading for Kaberle, but that having other valuable dmen available softens the market for Kaberle - ie, its not as critical for TB to get Kaberle if they can possibly get Bieksa as a planB, and therefore they don't break the bank for Kaberle.
The more I think about that potential deal with SJ, the less I believe it. I have to think that Burke would have jumped at that deal too. |
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Posted - 08/17/2010 : 05:21:28
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Let's put it this way, when examining this SJ rumoured trade offer of Clowe for Kaberle:
1) Does it make sense from both sides, that it would be offered by SJ, and rejected by Toronto?
2) What proof do we have of this ever happening?
From what I can see, the answers are . . .
1) No, and no.
2) none. zero. zilch.
And people base their opinions on this s***e? Puh-lease . . .
Btw, Burke was on the Fan590 radio station last night, and got "grilled" by McCowan who was of the mind that something fishy was going on with this Kaberle thing . . . Burke repeated that he was not the one who actively SHOPPED Kaberle, but in fact, did listen to offers - it would be stupid not to. He also denied the rumour that Wilson didn't like Kaberle, but what else could he say really about that. Still, I believed him when he said he wasn't going out to shop Kaberle around and that in fact a lot of the hype was media created, where he is forced to answer question after question about Kaberle, and then a statement is put out there like "Burke Says Kaberle Available" that is taken a bit out of context. I have been a witness to that over and over again in the Toronto media feeding frenzy.
So, Kaberle is staying with Toronto, end of story . . . I hope. 
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/17/2010 : 07:32:05
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Originally posted by slozo
Let's put it this way, when examining this SJ rumoured trade offer of Clowe for Kaberle:
1) Does it make sense from both sides, that it would be offered by SJ, and rejected by Toronto?
2) What proof do we have of this ever happening?
From what I can see, the answers are . . .
1) No, and no.
2) none. zero. zilch.
And people base their opinions on this s***e? Puh-lease . . .
Slozo, if whave Burke was saying all along was true, it does make sense. Burke wanted a big, scoring forward (Clowe) AND a draft pick. There is no way to know if there was an offer but there is also no way to prove there wasn't an offer either. It could have been Clowe and a 6th round pick for Kaberle and Burke wanted more of a pick???
End of the day, you are correct however not all of these rumors are completely false. |
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Posted - 08/17/2010 : 07:55:58
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| The real end of this story will be next July when Kaberle walks away from the Leafs and Burke gets nothing for him. If you look at this objectively why would Kaberle come back. He is going to fetch more than his current 4.25 mil probably in th 5 to 6 mil range and there is no way Burke is paying that money to a guy he believes is somewhat soft. Maybe they trade him at the trade deadline but you are not going to get more than a second round pick. |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 08/17/2010 : 08:08:11
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http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=330761
Got to work this morning poped over to TSN.ca to have a look see whats what in the sporting world today and noticed my Beloved habs have made another off season move,, and i must say i am fairly dissapointed at this one, the Trade was:
To Montreal
Kari Ramo
To Tampa Bay
Cedrik Dejardins
Now I assume most of you have herd of Kari Ramo a once fairly highly touted prospect for the Tampa bay Lightning has played 41 Nhl games and played in the KHL last year and is 24 so there is some upside.
Mr Dejardins however those who are not close to the habs may have not herd of yet, I really kind of had a soft spot for this goalie,, Being a undersized and under estimated goalie myself.... Dejardins played in the Q bounced around never really getting a shot, then started for Rimosiki and lost to the London knights in the memorial cup, then Patrick Roy took a shot at him and he carried Quebec to a Memorial cup win,, undrafted to the NHL the Habs signed him and i won't go into his numbers but go check them out,, starting in the ECHL all the way to the AHL he has exceeded expectations putting up all star numbers.
Now don't get me wrong i don't think the 25 year old Dejardins is the second coming of Saint Patrick himself, but you kinda got to like a kid who has put up those kind of numbers and should probably never played higher than the ECHL,, i know i really liked this kid personnaly
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 08/17/2010 : 09:45:14
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Pasty,
I'm very familiar with Cedrick Desjardins my self. I play around in a Hockey SIM League, and I traded for him on deadline day actually. (Our deadline day).
I paid $220K (sim cash), for him or something along those lines.
I did so at the time because his current ratings are very low on the report/rating site we use, at this time. But, with how well he did last year in the AHL, and, that I figured he'd be the true #1 for the Bulldogs this year, I figured he'd do very well again, even better.
Thus, upping his ratings substantially and then allowing me to create his prospect, and giving me a solid young goalie with upside for only $220K and no players lost.
Now, this sort of messes up my plans. I am hoping, for the better though. He may get some NHL time in Tampa, and hopefully, a perm #1 spot as their farm goalie in the mean time in order for my plans to work.
I guess what I am getting at is, Desjardin is an underrated, unknown goalie who has plenty of upside and potential. Tampa made a good trade here, in my opinion. They traded a former, highly touted prospect of the past, for a good, prospect of the now. Makes sense.
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Posted - 08/17/2010 : 10:01:01
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Why would Kaberle come back/resign this year for an extension (which is very likely)?
1) He has stated for the record that he wants to remain a Leaf, and loves the city.
2) He has stated for the record that he wants to remain in Toronto so that when they come back and start winning again, he can be a part of it.
3) He has stated for the record that there is no better city in the world to play hockey for when winning.
4) Burke stated yesterday he would certainly have discussions in the future with Kaberle's agent on extending his contract.
5) Kaberle remains a potent offensive threat from the back-end, and looks to have quite a few good years left in him.
That's why.
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Posted - 08/17/2010 : 10:04:48
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And what is going on in Montreal . . . do they feel that Carey Price might not have enough pressure? Seriously?
All the Habs fans are pretty much up in arms at this point . . . it is such a weird turning of the screw, especially for an organisation that made a fine and unexpected playoff run last year.
Of course, you all know that as a Leafs fan I have an invisible tear for all the angst they are suffering (cue tiny violins) . . .
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/17/2010 : 12:50:31
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Originally posted by slozo
Why would Kaberle come back/resign this year for an extension (which is very likely)?
1) He has stated for the record that he wants to remain a Leaf, and loves the city.
2) He has stated for the record that he wants to remain in Toronto so that when they come back and start winning again, he can be a part of it.
3) He has stated for the record that there is no better city in the world to play hockey for when winning.
4) Burke stated yesterday he would certainly have discussions in the future with Kaberle's agent on extending his contract.
5) Kaberle remains a potent offensive threat from the back-end, and looks to have quite a few good years left in him.
That's why.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Shades of Blue in the world today??
Every player for any team in any sport says nothing but good things about the City they are playing. Very rarely do you hear a player say anything at all bad about their 'home' until they are gone or until they really want a trade.
I have no doubt that Kaberle would like to stay, but to say it's because of all the wonderful and fluffy things he says is funny to me.
Just weeks before he demanded a trade, Pronger discussed the virtues of Edmonton as a City and how much his family loved it in Edmonton. Just a few short weeks after he was traded, he said that Edmontonians are savages who burnt his baby's crib.
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 08/17/2010 : 12:53:15
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Slozo - in other words, Burke and Kaberle are saying all the right things in order to avoid having Leaf Nation come down on them like a ton of bricks. Honestly, even if Kaberle hates the leafs, Toronto, Burke, and can't wait to get out - would he say that to a Toronto reporter? If Burke was not planning on resigning him next year, or having meaningful negotiations, would he say that to the Leaf faithful? Nope.
Jury is out on Kaberle - I'll believe he wants to be a lifelong Leaf when he signs on the dotted line of a cap friendly deal for the rest of his career. Deep down, I don't think that Burke wants him long term at what his market rate should be next year - he is not his type of player.
But hey, I love to be surprised...we'll see what happens this year. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 08/17/2010 : 12:55:03
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I too am puzzled by the MTL move...its like they're eliminating any possible competition that Price might have over the next decade for the #1 goalie position... whom they don't yet even have signed.
Speaking of goalies - anything about Niemi? I have to think that some NHL team is going to pick him up this year... |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 08/17/2010 : 14:49:42
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Burke claiming he didn't "shop" Kaberle is a joke to me. C'mon, i mean, maybe he wasn't crushing the phone with call after call trying to get a deal, but really, once it's been made known a guy is available, he need not call all the other teams twice a day. I'm sure plenty of teams called him! Personally, i think Burke missed the boat on dealing Kaberle, he's in damage control now and saying all the right things to make himself look as good as possible and he likely overvalued his asset considering the contract and FA status of his player!
IMO, if Kaberle wants to be in TO and Burkie claims he'll try to sign him next year, why wouldn't he have extended him now? Difference in opinion on his worth between his agent and the Leafs. Well, i don't think the price will be much less at the deadline or next season. |
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MrBoogedy
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Posted - 08/18/2010 : 01:06:12
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| The only benefit to the Halak trade in Montreal was that I thought we'd say Desjardins sooner. Not so. Ramo? wtf? I said i'd be a fan through thick and thin, well things are starting to look pretty thin now. |
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Sensfan101
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 08/19/2010 : 09:34:58
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Blackhawks sign Fernando Pisani to a one year $500 000 deal.
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Posted - 08/19/2010 : 14:51:00
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Wow, is that ever a cheap deal for an NHLer (Pisani to the Hawks). Great pick-up for Chi-town, they get a good defensive forward who may chip in 10 or 15 goals if healthy, for basically nothing. Well, health is the risk I guess (can't remember what injuries he's had).
What's happening with Kovalchuk?
We have a long waiting period, a signing, then a circus, then a verdict, then . . . nothing. Is it only Jersey at this point negotiating, or have other teams perhaps slipped in the picture?
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Canada
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Posted - 08/19/2010 : 19:49:57
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Canucks sign Bill Sweatt
GO SHARKS GO |
Edited by - Jumbo Joe Rocks on 08/19/2010 19:50:12 |
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/19/2010 : 20:21:03
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Originally posted by slozo
Wow, is that ever a cheap deal for an NHLer (Pisani to the Hawks). Great pick-up for Chi-town, they get a good defensive forward who may chip in 10 or 15 goals if healthy, for basically nothing. Well, health is the risk I guess (can't remember what injuries he's had).
What's happening with Kovalchuk?
We have a long waiting period, a signing, then a circus, then a verdict, then . . . nothing. Is it only Jersey at this point negotiating, or have other teams perhaps slipped in the picture?
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Ulcerative colitis is Pisani's affliction. Dude missed a big piece of the season 2 years ago and lost a ton of weight. Came back way earlier than expected.
He has the heart of a lion and will do anything for his team. 10-15 goals might be a stretch as his best years are behind him but he will be their top PK forwards, give everything he has every night, and bring some leadership to the dressing room. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 08/19/2010 : 22:14:37
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yeah, I have to say - if I thought we could have gotten Pisani for 500K, that would be worth it for sure. He'll slot in nicely as an inexpensive 3rd or 4th line forward, and be big on the PK. Nice signing.
Yay, Bill Sweatt, I like it for Vancouver. He'll likely play this year with the Moose, but a solid prospect pickup by Gillis. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 08/20/2010 : 08:33:17
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Pisani's value is pretty much just in the money he's earning. Personally, at least for the Canucks, i'd prefer to see them bring up a cheap prospect and give him NHL experience rather than get a guy like Pisani although if they were desperate for PK guys, then maybe?
I'm lazy today, can someone refresh my memory on this Bill Sweatt guy? Hasn't he been involved in a couple of deals already this offseason? I recall him being prospect thrown into a package somewhere along the way?
ETA .... Nevermind, i had a quick RedBull and found some energy to google him 
Now i'm left wondering if signing him after the Leafs had his rights is part of the ongoing feud between these teams? Maybe i'm grasping here, but with these two and the history with Burke and Nonis, etc, you just never know? |
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SJfortheCUP
Top Prospect
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Posted - 08/20/2010 : 16:40:02
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Posted - 08/23/2010 : 09:52:32
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According to the Fan590 in Toronto, multiple sources out of Russia are reporting that Kovalchuk has reached a new deal with the New Jersey Devils, and an announcement is to be made early this week.
Let's make it today folks and get a move on!
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/23/2010 : 13:07:44
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Sounds like Chicago's cap issues are a things of the past, at least for one season.
Sounds like Huet has signed a 1 year deal in Switzerland and Chicago has agreed to "loan" him.
What I think has happened is the Blackhawks will be paying the NHL salary AND the Swiss salary. Where is the NHL with the circumvention of the salary cap on this one?? Shouldn't they be forced to put him on waivers first??
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irvine
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Posted - 08/23/2010 : 14:25:51
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@ Beans: I have no idea.
It seems a bit odd that the Blackhawks are allowed to loan a player (or any NHL team), to a team in Europe. But, this is not the first time it has happened. Filatov being an example, who is being "loaned" to a KHL team.
I believe if a player is under contract to an NHL team, that player should only be allowed to play for that NHL teams farm teams. (AHL) or even (ECHL).
This is a circumvention of the cap, in a sense. It is being done solely for that reason. But, it is slightly different I suppose.
I'm torn really. I don't find it fair that a team can simply "loan" a player to another league.
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 08/25/2010 : 09:50:36
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Irvine - the Hawks are still on the hook for his contract I believe, even if he plays in Europe. In that sense, it is no different than them sending him down to the minors - either way, Huet does not count against the Hawks cap next year. This move is simply a better way to treat your player IMO - they could have sent him to the AHL, but they understood that he might want a chance to play close to his home, and gave that option to him.
Other news:
- according to sources (and being reported on sportsnet), the new Kovy deal was rejected by the NHL as well. Back to the drawing board I suppose.
- VAN signs Raffi Torres to a 1 yr/1M deal. Good depth signing, again, but still have to make that big move to get cap space. I heard that Torres is a bit of a partier, so at least SOB will have someone to go clubbing with now.
- TB signs Downie to a 2yr/3.7M deal. Good signing |
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Posted - 08/25/2010 : 13:26:19
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| I heard Huet was put on waiver and no one wanted him (surprise?). Also, Chicago will pay the difference between the nhl and the swiss salary, Huet wont get both salary. |
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Posted - 08/25/2010 : 19:18:43
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| Willie Mitchell signed with LA for 2 years for 3.5million a year |
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irvine
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Posted - 08/26/2010 : 06:49:46
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Steve Yzerman (TBL) have signed Free Agent Defencemen Randy Jones.
Jones, who played hockey with a few of my family members growing up, and whom I know somewhat, will be a good depth signing for the Lightning.
Jones can play a defensive, positional game. Should be able to slot in to the 5/6 hole.
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Posted - 08/26/2010 : 20:05:41
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Another good, subtle pick-up for Yzerman and the Lightning.
I am starting up a "keeper" pool this year, and I am really torn at this point on where to slot Stamkos . . . and the Lightning potentially becoming very good in a year or two greatly affects this.
I like the way Yzerman GM's.
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/26/2010 : 20:10:46
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Latest word on the Kovalchuk front is that the last effort by NJ was nixed by the NHL again. The story posted by TSN says that Ilya's Russian agent has given the NHL/NJ 48 hours to make a decision or Kovalchuk will go somewhere else, more than likely Russia.
To make the story even more interesting, multi-billionaire Alexander Medvedev (President of the KHL and St. Peterburg) stated just two days ago that his 3 year-$42 million a year offer to Kovalchuk still stands.
I don't know about you guys, but for $14 million a year, I would do nearly anything. Maybe winning a Cup or $14 million??? I know which I would pick.
I kinda want this story to be over, but on the other hand the offseason has been boring outside of this.
I would also wonder if a North American TV station would find a away to show some St. Peterburg games. With Kovalchuk, Yashin, Afinogenov, Brylin, Grebeshkov, Zubov, Vishnevski, Zyuzin, Cajanek, and Nabokov it would be quite a draw. I would put that squad against pretty much any NHL squad and it would be a great game. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 08/26/2010 : 23:34:55
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for 14M a year, I would even cheer for the Oilers.
but not a penny less |
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Posted - 08/27/2010 : 09:43:40
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Beans - I would have thought you heard this yesterday for your good 'ol pally pal Bettman yesterday - there was a flat-out denial that a second Kovalchuk deal had been nixed.
He brought up a good point, that a deal actually has to be signed/written up, before it is tendered before the NHL to approve, and this clearly did not happen.
That good point of Bettman's, however, denies the existence of what clearly may go on below the public radar: unofficially showing the NHL a potential contract to ensure it doesn't get nixed, before the official deal is done - to save everyone's time, money, and grief.
An unofficial check makes sense to me, especially after they killed the first deal.
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 08/27/2010 : 13:24:45
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New Jersey submits a 15 year 100million dollar deal the NHL has 5 days to make a decsion.
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 08/27/2010 : 22:00:06
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| looks like Paul Kariya will miss the entire next season with post concussion syndrome. So much for the anticipated reunite with Selanne in ANA... |
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Leafs81
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Posted - 08/28/2010 : 08:39:07
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Matt Lashoff is now a Leaf
Way to go Burke you got a 9th NHL defenseman when there's some actually big holes up front.
If Kaberle gets traded and Finger goes in the AHL then the trade makes sense but till then it doesn't. |
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irvine
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Posted - 08/29/2010 : 05:35:20
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Clark McAurther is also now a Leaf. Burke signed him to a 1-year, $1.1 MM deal today.
Another 2nd/3rd average liner added.
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Leafs81
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 08/29/2010 : 07:28:05
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| MacArthur is a good depth aquisition, we can count on him to put in 15 goals and 30-35 points. |
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irvine
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Posted - 08/29/2010 : 10:46:36
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@Leafs81: Yes, you can.
However, the Leafs are loading up on those exact guys. They need a bonafied first liner more than anything.
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Posted - 08/29/2010 : 13:17:16
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| Totally agree. Where is this first line center that Burke has promised for over a year? |
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Leafs81
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Posted - 08/29/2010 : 13:29:00
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Well I agree that's what we need. but there's not a whole lot on the market right now.
But in the meanwhile it's good to add depth in case of injuries.
And MacArthur is still young at 23 |
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