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Beans15
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 Posted - 06/22/2010 : 21:22:38
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Touche Nuxfan. Although I think there are more deals where the player signs than not, you put me in my place. Well done.
As far as Hamhuis goes, he's still a young enough guy at 27 that this doesn't need to be his money maker deal. In fact, I would suggest he could make better money if he was to sign a shorter deal (2 years-$4 million/season) with Philly and win a Cup. It would make him a highly sought after 29 year old UFA who could sign a 6-8 year deal for $6ish million.
I still don't see Hamhuis going to Vancouver. But I do see Gillis making a move for a puck moving D-man. Kaberle?? Maybe but doubtful. Ian White??? Gonchar?? There are some out there, but slim pickings unless they want to trade roster players. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/22/2010 : 23:02:15
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there is no question (in my mind anyway) that Gillis will make a move for that kind of dman this summer. The Canucks in the past have shied away from the big expensive names (they let Jovo walk when it was obvious that he would cost too much), but its a glaring need now.
Kaberle - I'm not sure that I really want Kaberle. He gets points, but doesn't have a physical enough game for my liking. Plus he's UFA in a year, and could just walk after that. The Leafs want an arm and a leg for him, too steep.
Gonchar - an interesting option, but again will probably command 5.5+ per year, at the age of 36.
White - that would be an interesting option, he would be cheaper than the rest, but also is small.
Volchenkov - I have stated before that I hope Gillis makes a run at him, he's a complete Mitchell replacement, with more grit. No real offensive upside, but we have dmen that can add offense if need be.
Hamhuis brings a good mix of all worlds - he's tough, plays a lot of minutes, and can be counted on for 30-40 points a year. And he could be had for less than Gonchar and Kaberle, and likely Volchenkov. We'll just have to see what Phili can do in the next 9 days. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/22/2010 : 23:08:27
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new rumours
- not sure if its true or not - Gonchar rights traded to SJ (Bleacher report)
- CHI asking price is first round pick + prospect for Byfuglien (Pierre LeBrun tweet)
- next year's salary cap will rise to north of 59M (LeBrun tweet). Thats a big jump
- CBJ has zero interest in Spezza
- Mason Raymond will file for arbitration. I think that spells the end of his time in Vancouver, the award is going to be steeper than Gillis wants to pay.
- Kaberle will be moved before Saturday. Destination unknown |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/22/2010 : 23:12:55
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one more - Thomas definitely being shopped. One website I saw suggested that the Bruins would have to take a trouble contract in return, and suggested that Souray for Thomas would be a good deal.
Beans, you're an EDM fan - any thoughts? I can't believe that EDM is ready to give up on Kabby after one injury filled year... |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 06/23/2010 : 04:30:21
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Nuxfan I also heard Gonchar was traded to SJ for Ryane Clowe,bad trade I think terrible,Doesent Boyle already fill Gonchars spot??????
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Pasty7
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Posted - 06/23/2010 : 06:57:13
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Originally posted by Jumbo Joe Rocks
Here is more...
Mathieu Corbeil of my hometown team the Halifax Mooseheads to be drafted by San Jose.Rumors say.
Kaberle and Kulimen for a top 3 draft pick???
Markov to be dealt sometime before or after training camp.
Maxim Lapierre will not return to Montreal,SJ offers him 3 years 2 million in each of the 3 seasons.
Sharp will not be traded.
Ruslan Salei back to Anaheim.
Ray Whitney will not retire.
Versteeg to be traded for a draft pick.
Kaberle for Savard???
GO SHARKS GO
Where did you hear other than a fan forum that Lapierre was offer something by the sharks, you realize this is tampering because he is under contract until july 1rst. Not to mention he is a RFA (meaning they would have to submitt an offer sheet, which the NHL would not accept untill july 1rst) and the habs will have the option to match any offers,,, the only way Lapierre leaves is a trade you sure this isn't wishfull thinking on your part being a sharks fan,, oh and yeah right Markov will not be dealt, headlines from fan forums are not reputable and are not even close to the real deal its all wishfull thinking on some fans parts,,, i could easily post a topic Marleau interested in Montreal ,,, and that is the farthest thing from the truth!!!
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Posted - 06/23/2010 : 08:14:21
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Yeah, Jumbo Joe Rocks (when was he in Winnipeg?  ) - be careful with these fansite rumours, a lot of them are trash.
We love to hear the insider stuff - local magazine writer with some inside knowledge, etc, or a reputed rumour from a solid/respected hockey writer - but please be very leery of the fansites. A lot of them are total fabrications . . . ie: someone's fantasy.
What isn't fantasy is the Kaberle rumours, like I have repeated here, it is becoming more and more certain by the hour that he is leaving, but where and for what is a total guess. Burke has done an amazing job so far of keeping this stuff secret . . . the Toronto media is absolutely relentless, and would drive most sane men up the wall, so hats off to him for his ability to keep a lid on the deals he is trying to make.
I would really doubt Boston as a destination for Kaberle . . . Burke wouldn't make a deal with them again unless the price was very high, and I don't think Boston is that desperate for an offensive d-man, even with Wideman leaving. Kaberle for Savard is a joke, I think . . . they would never deal Savard to a team in the same division.
As for Kaberle being moved before Saturday . . . unh unh. July 1st his no-trade clause ends, so my guess is that the deal is hammered out before then, and then announced at that time. This allows Burke freedom to trade Kaberle to any team he wants.
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/23/2010 : 08:35:27
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Nuxfan, Edmonton definitely wants to dump Souray but Thomas does not make sense. Deal is too big, goaltender appears to have been a flash in the pan, and the move would force another move(Khabibulin out).
It just doesn't seem logical to a team that has publically stated that they are rebuilding through the draft and through youth. Bringing in a mid-30's goalie just isn't in the plan.
I have heard that the Oilers are shopping literally anything they have over the age of 25. That includes Penner and Hemsky. The stories are still circulating involving Boston but not having anything to do with the picks. At one point, the discussions were Hemsky and the Oilers late 1st round pick for Wideman and the 15th pick. However, with the Horton deal now done, it's a moot point.
Tambellini should be the 2nd most active GM(behind Tallon) this week end. Unfortunately, I can also see him worrying more about firing the ushers and beer slingers at Rexall than his hockey team. Time for Steve-O to do something to improve the team on the ice rather than keeping the team in the papers for all the people he is firing/moving around. |
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 06/23/2010 : 08:54:06
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Any thoughts on the newest one swirling around...
Tomas Kaberle in exchange for Marc Savard? |
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 06/23/2010 : 09:18:15
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Kaverle for Savard would be great for both teams. Boston already has plenty of centre's and will probabley drafting another one. They are a little weak on defence after losing Widemen but wouldn't be any more if this deal goes through. It would be a great trade for Toronto reuniting Savard and Kessel
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Posted - 06/23/2010 : 11:03:41
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| doesn't make sence, they could have gotten Kaberle for their 15th pick. Why give up their best center. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 06/23/2010 : 13:06:08
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| I've heard rumours (radio) that Gillis is interested in Kaberle but with the recent history between the Leafs and Nucks, could they possibly come to an agreement on a deal? |
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irvine
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Posted - 06/23/2010 : 14:46:12
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Byfuglien, along with Brent Sopel, Ben Eager and Akim Aliu, will be headed to Atlanta in exchange for the 24th overall pick at the 2010 NHL Entry Draft, the 54th pick, Marty Reasoner and Jeremy Morin.
Wow!
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irvine
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Posted - 06/23/2010 : 14:50:28
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That's a big deal, to me.
The Blackhawks have cleared up some cap space, and have gained two good draft picks that could add to the young core, within 3-5 years time.
Meanwhile, the Thrashers add Big Buff, a reliable D-man in Sopel, a prospect in Aliu & a tough guy in Eager. Not too bad for both sides, but I will have to look in to it a little more to see how it really looks.
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Posted - 06/23/2010 : 14:52:50
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| the hawks got morin out of this too, hes a great player he had an amazing year for the kitchener rangers this season as well |
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irvine
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Posted - 06/23/2010 : 14:59:40
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yeah, he's a pretty good prospect. Could certainly help the team in a couple of years time. Perhaps, even next season since he'll have a cheap entry level contract, which the Blackhawks could use since they have such cap issues.
Irvine/prez. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/23/2010 : 15:33:23
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awesome - Buff to the east on a team that won't make the playoffs next year. I'm planning the parade now  |
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Leafs81
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Posted - 06/23/2010 : 16:02:52
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Wow good trade for the Thrashers. Byfuglien is the type of player you want on your team. Sopel and Eager to top it off. But I know something like that was coming for the Hawks. That's why this year was their year. Now they have Hossa, Versteeg, Bolland, Sharp,Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabrook, Campbell and Huet all over 3 millions. And plus Niemi will want a raise, he's RFA and just won a Stanley Cup.
So they keep their core but dump some salary in order to keep them. I'm sure they tried hard to trade Huet and Campbell, and they might still be trying hard.
I think the Thrashers will be better. This team is heading in the right direction, but I dont know if the fans will be that patient. |
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Posted - 06/23/2010 : 19:48:28
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Well, the Hawks lessened the hit on this one by dealing with the Bluejackets Atlanta Thrashers, a perrenial non-contender. Maybe they won't be for long, but realistically, the Hawks put Byfuglien as far away as possible conference and schedule-wise. Smart move when you part with someone you really want to keep.
I await the departure of Sharp and/or Versteeg, and the minors it'll be for Huet when they can't deal him.
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irvine
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Posted - 06/23/2010 : 20:46:03
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The deal was with the Atlanta Thrashers.
Irvine/prez. |
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whereismykovalchuk
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Posted - 06/23/2010 : 21:30:23
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but nuxfan atlanta will make the playoffs this year, and with byfuglien it will make them a nightmare for the caps to match up with, the caps werent great they just played in the owrst division in hockey point in case the four teams picking in the top 10 from the division. any team with a easy division has a big advantage hence atlanta next year.
plus chicago got draft picks that they can take a flyer on can you say kirill kabonov i think its not a bad trade to shed cap for chicago, big chance for reward and its not like byfuglien is the reason they won the cup. he just made it quicker.
bring back the franchise player or the team will leave like the last one |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/23/2010 : 21:34:03
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Canucks board is all a-twitter with a rumour that the Canucks will trade Bernier and a 4th round pick to OTT for the rights to Volchenkov, on the 26th.
Source is an Ottawa Senators fansite. Apparently WAS, NYR, and VAN are the 3 main suitors for Volchenkov at this time. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/23/2010 : 21:45:51
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hm. also on the Canucks forum is a supposed link to a story out of Montreal about possible Luongo to MTL trade. It speculates that Lu and AV don't get along, and that the Canucks want a cheaper alternative in goal.
The article speculates that VAN would recieve Price in return, and one or more of Markov, Cammareli, Subban, 2011 draft pick.
I personally can't see this happening - would either side want to do this? Has anyone else heard anything about this? |
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Alex116
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 00:17:45
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nuxfan.....
Haven't heard a thing but wouldn't mind this trade at all! If Price doesn't pan out, there's still a chance Schneider could be an above avg goalie if finally given the chance. Of the others you mention, Subban would prob be my first choice. As much as i like Markov, i like Subban's age and cost more!!!
The Bernier one, i'd be all over! I'm not a big fan of his and if he and a 4th rounder is all it would take for Volchenkov, i'd do it in a flash! Bernier is expendable here. |
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 05:35:03
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Actually, I think you should all stop reading Canuck and Senator fan boards . . . the Luongo trade sounds a little far-fetched.
Vancouver should very much be in the hunt for Volchenkov now though, as with Hamhuis gone their choices are dwindling.
More notes on the imminent Kaberle deal . . . Burke told reporters that he has about 6 solid deals on the table right now for Kaberle, and more may be on the way. At the very least, I think at least half of this is probably true, and I am certain Burke has a few solid offers . . . but where I pause in this evaluation is looking at the fact that obviously no concrete deal has been reached. This to me means a low first round draft pick, maybe even a middle one, and Burke wanting better and holding out for more. And in true GM carnival barker style, he puts it out to the Toronto media and the other GMs hear it and the sweepstakes for this player builds inevitably.
I bet you Burke gets top ten in the draft for Kaberle, I am putting out my prediction now - one of the top ten picks.
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Alex116
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 07:45:40
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Slozo, i agree, fan boards are not reliable, but as long as it's not reported as fact, there's no harm in discussing it. It's no different than nuxfan starting a new thread with the same suggested trade scenario and asking us what we think?
Personally, i don't see that proposed Luongo deal as being all that far fetched. Luongo's contract may be long term, but it's set up in a way that the cap hit is very livable for a team. At first i thought the Canucks might not be able to get much more than Price and a low pick or prospect but when you look at the Luongo contract, they could very well get a nice player in the deal as well? It would obviously depend on how bad Montreal is wanting to move on from Price and make a deal for a guy like Luongo?
As for Kaberle, i don't see Burke getting a top 10. Minny's picking at 9 and the Rangers at 10. Do either have a serious need for Kaberle? I wouldn't think so myself but there could be other players and picks invovled to make a deal happen i suppose? |
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 08:08:03
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I don't know if anyone else has heard the rumours of Kaberle to Boston. There are apparently two scenarios being reported now by Darren Dreger and Eklund.
Scenario 1) Kaberle to Boston for Savard. That is the core of the deal right now, but I would expect things to be added by both sides.
Scenario 2) Savard to Columbus for the 4th overall pick in this years draft. Boston then flips the 4th to Toronto for a package involving Kaberle. Again, there should be more added to both sides of the deals, those are just the bare bones being reported.
Personally, I don't think any of those will happen. The Leafs are more concerned with competing now, and Savard is questionable since his concussion. Plus, his contract pays him 4 mil until he is 39. Does anyone expect him to really play 4 million dollar hockey past the age of 35? |
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 08:10:29
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Well Alex, my pick for teams in the top ten who might be willing to deal a pick for a top offensive defenceman is Florida. And McCabe is there, who had his best years playing with Kabby, and Bouwmeester gone now . . . it seems to fit.
However, the sticking point may be whether they need another player packaged along with Kaberle for the third overall pick. I have a feeling the rumoured offer of Kaberle and Kulemin for a very high pick was this exact scenario, and I don't see Burke settling for that. Kulemin is still a young guy with a potentially bright future, and he showed glimpses of being a top 6 forward. I think at best for Florida, Burke may settle for a minors prospect and Kaberle for the thir pick.
But we'll see soon enough.
And don't mind my flippant remarks about listening to message boards . . . it was said in half jest - inflection doesn't translate well in type 
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 08:57:14
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I really don't see the Savard for Kaberle deal as reasonable for Boston. I mean, Savard is literally a Top 3-5 playmaking, assist driven centre in the entire NHL. In his class and style of play, I would only put Thornton and Sedin clearly ahead of him and only Spezza and Backstrom in the same class overall.
Kaberle, granted a great player, does not command the same comparisons when talking about his style of play being an offensive puck moving defensemen. I would say Kaberle is top 10ish but not top 5 in his specific style in the league.
Furthermore, Savard is signed through 16/17 and his deal is awesome for Boston in the last 3 years. Kaberle would have to be resigned and it would cost more than the $4 million cap hit that Savard is today.
I just don't see that deal happening.
On the Byfuglien deal, I heard a really great comparison the other day. He is Dustin Penner in a different body. Really, the guy plays when he wants to and he's effective at really one thing(in front of the net) again when he feels like it.
If Chicago doesn't win the Cup this season I don't think anyone is really interested in Byfuglein. |
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 09:09:11
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I hunted down the rumours about Savard leaving and Kaberle going to Boston possibly, and the key phrase I found in all of these rumours is this:
"Boston and Toronto have yet to re-open talks"
"Boston and Toronto haven't been talking yet, but . . ."
Darren Dreger is expressing his thoughts and ideas here, folks. And IMHO, killing his reputation . . . although, I have to say, it's Toronto, so you even mention something as possible and you are likely to have 50 media guys running away shouting about a trade that is all but done.
Now, think about what Burke wants, what kind of players he likes, and how old he likes them. Then, look at the highly skilled, but small, aging, and concussion prone Savard, and ask yourself: is this a Burke-type player?
The answer is no, no, no. Not happening folks.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 09:13:52
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Actually, I think you should all stop reading Canuck and Senator fan boards . . . the Luongo trade sounds a little far-fetched.
Farfetched it is - that being said, the Canucks board on their official site is actually quite good, they are very adamant about labelling rumours as rumours, and internal housekeeping tends to weed out the unfounded or untrustworthy. Most rumours have links posted to sources if they exist.
The Luongo rumour was based on an article someone found on the web, but it was written in French - I think there was some confusion in translation, so it could not be automatically thrown out. I don't put much faith in it, but hey anything is possible.
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I don't know if anyone else has heard the rumours of Kaberle to Boston. There are apparently two scenarios being reported now by Darren Dreger and Eklund.
I keep hearing that Savard is on the move too, we'll see. I do think he'll produce well past the age of 35 - last year was an anomaly for him I think.
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Haven't heard a thing but wouldn't mind this trade at all! If Price doesn't pan out, there's still a chance Schneider could be an above avg goalie if finally given the chance. Of the others you mention, Subban would prob be my first choice. As much as i like Markov, i like Subban's age and cost more!!!
Alex, I have to say, after giving it some thought, I'm not that opposed to a deal involving Luongo out. Management have to be a bit concerned after 2 playoffs in a row where mental breakdowns have cost us - is he really the goalie that will lead you to the cup? If they're not sure about him going forward, then trade him now. His contract is a lot of front money but cap friendly, a team like MTL that is awash in money would have no problem paying it. And you know how MTL likes to get local players on their team...
Subban would be my first choice as well, for the same reasons. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 09:16:14
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looks like the Sharks have resigned Marleau and Pavelski.
Marleau - 4yr/27M
Pavelski - 4yr/16M
Nice one by SJ |
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 09:18:08
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Marleau and Pavelski have been resigned, both for four years. Marleau will get paid 6.9 mil per season, while Pavelski will get paid 4 mil per season. It doesn't say if the contract is more front loaded or back loaded, or if it is just 6.9 and 4 mil each season.
Just at a quick glance, the Sharks appear to be tight on the new limit of 59.4 mil. They already have 35.75 mil invested in 11 players, meaning that they will need to sign about 11 players with only 14 mil. After this trade, the Sharks will have a salary of 46.65 mil with 9 roster players still to sign, plus a starting goalie. That leaves only 12.75 mil !!
Can we expect a trade? Is Big Joe on his way out to make room for Little Joe? Let the speculation begin. |
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 09:20:54
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And Beans - you are off about Savard being worth more than Kaberle. Right now, Savard is going to give you diminishing returns from here on in, he has had a couple of major concussions, and as highly skilled as he is, he is one hit away from career end. THAT is why his deal seems cheap . . . because he is a risk. It's actually a fair deal when looking at all those factors (4 mil/year at this time I think someone mentioned).
One of the many reasons I personally would be very against getting Savard myself, even if he were a free agent right now. In the cap era, you have to make every cent count, and he is just too high risk at this point, especially after his last consussion.
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Pasty7
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 09:30:49
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Patrick Marleau has just re-signed with the San jose sharks along with Joe Pavelski, 6.9 for 4 years goes to Marleau and Pavelski gets 4 million for 4 years aswell,, this i think is great for the Sharks and both Marleau and Pavelski,, but this also ends a lot of speculatiuon of where Marleau will sign and with Plekanec agreeing to terms with the habs earlier in the week whos the best center available now,,,,,,, Lombardi? am i forgetting someone important,,,, Also this just upped boston demand for Marc Savard because if hes available for trade teams hopeing to fetch Marleau as a ufa are now turing their attention towards savard!
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 09:35:18
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Wow. Big new about Marleau and Pavelski . . . yeah, I agree, smart move by the Sharks.
This really signals to me that Big Joe is on the market. Hmm . . . very, very intriguing indeed.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 09:45:59
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And Beans - you are off about Savard being worth more than Kaberle.
No, he's not - Savard is worth more than Kaberle. The only people I see plugging this potential trade as fair straight up are Leafs fans that want to see justice after being robbed by the Bruins in their last 2 trades.
Since 2002, Savard is a PPG centre, a gifted playmaker that is able to benefit from star wingers and make wingers into stars. He plays PP, PK, even strength. He is only 32 years old (same age as Kaberle), and is signed for the rest of his career at a very cap friendly 4.2M per year. Last year was injury riddled (only one concussion that I can tell, he also had a broken foot and a knee injury), but other than that has been very durable over the last 5 years.
In the same way the Leafs want a lot for Kaberle, I would imagine that the Bruins would want a lot for Savard - he is an elite centre in this league.
I think a big consideration for any team looking to get Kaberle is whether or not they think they can sign him beyond his current contract. If they don't think they can - and I don't think BOS can afford another dman at 5-5.5 per year - then his value goes down. Why would BOS trade Savard for a one year dman rental? |
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 10:09:13
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Well Slozo, I think we will have to agree to disagree. A player who has 4 of the past 5 seasons of more than 60 assists is part of a very small and select group of players. Concussion or not. Every NHL players is one hit away from their career ending. Everything NHL player has the same risk associated.
Fact of the matter is that Savard took an exceptional amount of time off after the concussion and was givin a clean bill of health to play.
If Savard's contribution is going to diminish, so is Kaberle's. They are the same age. And was it not Kaberle who was taken off the ice on a stretch a few seasons back after getting hit by Janssen??
Here's the final nail in the coffin to this deal making sense. What does Boston benefit from Kaberle?? Unless they are planning on moving Chara out, I don't see Kaberle overtaking the lead PP role from Chara.
Boston's needs are on the wing not an offensive puck moving defensemen. At least not enough of a need to deal their #1 centre. Unless they anticipate the Oilers taking Hall, leaving Seugin to the Bruins and a who lot of bunching up at the centre position. Even if that is the case, I would suspect Beantown would move one of the centremen out for that scoring winger they lost in Kessel. |
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 10:16:04
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Originally posted by slozo
Wow. Big new about Marleau and Pavelski . . . yeah, I agree, smart move by the Sharks.
This really signals to me that Big Joe is on the market. Hmm . . . very, very intriguing indeed.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
I would tend to agree with you Slozo, simply on the size of the Marleau deal. Not length, but value. I don't see how the Sharks can afford a $7.5 million Cap hit for Heatley, a $6.9 million cap hit for Marleau, a $6.7 million hit for Boyle, AND a $7+ million for Thornton after this season??
The numbers just don't allow it. Without Thornton, SJ is tied into $32 million for Heatley, Marleau, Boyle, Pavalski, Vlasic, Murray, and Clowe for $34 million.
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 10:19:34
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Originally posted by nuxfan
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And Beans - you are off about Savard being worth more than Kaberle.
No, he's not - Savard is worth more than Kaberle. The only people I see plugging this potential trade as fair straight up are Leafs fans that want to see justice after being robbed by the Bruins in their last 2 trades.
Since 2002, Savard is a PPG centre, a gifted playmaker that is able to benefit from star wingers and make wingers into stars. He plays PP, PK, even strength. He is only 32 years old (same age as Kaberle), and is signed for the rest of his career at a very cap friendly 4.2M per year. Last year was injury riddled (only one concussion that I can tell, he also had a broken foot and a knee injury), but other than that has been very durable over the last 5 years.
In the same way the Leafs want a lot for Kaberle, I would imagine that the Bruins would want a lot for Savard - he is an elite centre in this league.
I think a big consideration for any team looking to get Kaberle is whether or not they think they can sign him beyond his current contract. If they don't think they can - and I don't think BOS can afford another dman at 5-5.5 per year - then his value goes down. Why would BOS trade Savard for a one year dman rental?
nux fan head to nail with incredible percision, imo savard is a better value than Kaberle espcially given the great contract he is under how many ppg players earn 4 million,,,,, mike Ryder earns 4 million i mean gomez earns 7 ,, if you want a ppg guy you re paying 6 million at the minimum Savard is signed for less than Thomas Plekanec and even though Pleaky younger you offer me Savard for Pleaky straight up i take it along with everyone else in a second... Savards contract is awsome for a team
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