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Beans15
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 Posted - 06/24/2010 : 10:21:22
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There are some teams with a ton of Cap Space that will still be players.
STL, COL, and NYI all have more than $30 million in cap space for the upcoming season. I can see Wang keeping his wallet closed and NYI cheaping out, but I can see COL making a move for Kovalchuk. That would actually be a nice fit with the likes of Stastny, Duchene, and Galiardi up front.
I still see Kovachuk in LA for some reason, but COL slipped my mind. They will definitely be a player at the draft or in the UFA market after making the playoffs last year. They are close than people may think to elite. |
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irvine
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 12:04:47
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Boston moving out Savard for Kaberle doesn't seem correct to me, either. I had this conversation last night with a guy in my SIM League.
I just feel like, why would Boston want to trade their true #1, playmaking Center? Especially, for a guy you have for one year (atleast, for certain, only one year).
Yes, Wideman just left. But let us not forget, the beast that is Zdeno Chara. Chara is the leader of the Bruins, especially on the back end. He has a rocket of a shot from the point, so adding another offensive (yet, not as defensive as Chara), d-man to the mix, for your #1 C doesn't fit to me.
The Bruins no longer need a winger either, they have just added Nathan Horton (RW), who can contribute offensively. In fact, I believe playing with Savard, Horton could become more of a goal scorer than we have seen.
Then, we have the draft. The Bruins will receive either Seguin or Hall.
So, they are adding either another Center, or another Winger, who can step in and play next season. Will they contribute greatly? Unlikely. But, they will still contribute enough offensively to the B's.
Recently, the Bruins have added
A) A Winger who can produce offensively
B) Either a Winger or a Center, that are very cap friendly (entry level), who will produce some.
They still have Chara & Savard. A top D-man & a top Center.
Why move either out, for Kaberle?
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Pasty7
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 12:19:36
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Wolski re -signs with phoneix for 2 years at 7 .6 million,, big contract!
Canadians make qualifying offers to Lapierre Pyatt price carle Kostitsyn but do not make a qualifying offer to Pouliot and the bruins get permisson from thomas agent to activly try and trade him
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 12:50:52
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Wolski re -signs with phoneix for 2 years at 7 .6 million,, big contract!
Big, but not crippling, I like it. He proved he can produce with a breakout year last year, now has 2 years at an elevated rate to see if he can keep it up. If he can, in 2 years time he signs a longer term deal for more money as The Real Thing. If he cannot, he signs a smaller contract.
Good signing by PHX |
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 13:10:23
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Originally posted by Beans15
There are some teams with a ton of Cap Space that will still be players.
STL, COL, and NYI all have more than $30 million in cap space for the upcoming season. I can see Wang keeping his wallet closed and NYI cheaping out, but I can see COL making a move for Kovalchuk. That would actually be a nice fit with the likes of Stastny, Duchene, and Galiardi up front.
I still see Kovachuk in LA for some reason, but COL slipped my mind. They will definitely be a player at the draft or in the UFA market after making the playoffs last year. They are close than people may think to elite.
I am not so sure about Colorado making a pitch for Kovalchuk.
And Beans, no love for Chris Stewart when talking about Colorado's young core. Mark this down, Stewart will have his breakout season next year, and will net over 30 goals and over 75 points. The guy almost did it this year. Anyways, as it stands right now, this is their top 6:
Galiardi - Duchene - Stewart
Mueller - Stastney - Hedjuk
While it is obvious that Kovalchuk would instantly make this top 6 better, I don't think that Colorado would risk the development of their young players for Kovalchuk.
LA has the best bet in my mind. With Frolov most likely leaving to either go to a different team or back to Russia, they have a glaring need for scoring. They already have a sound defense, somewhat solid goaltending, and a stable offense. Kovalchuk will shine in the LA limelight, and I think will put that team over the top. |
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 13:44:18
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Savard is worth a ton more than just Kaberle. Chiarelli would have to be an idiot to make such a move. If Boston feels like they will end up with Seguin why wouldn't you wait till trade deadline day to see a liitle bit about him before you trade one of your centers. Personally i would rather trade Bergeron or Krecji before I would shop Savard around.
I would love for the Bruins to trade krecji, thomas and their second pick to Edmonton for their pick and Souray. I think it would help both teams. Edmonton would stregnthen their centers Krecji and Seguin and boston thier wings Hall to go with Horton. |
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irvine
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 13:47:44
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Update on Chicago -- Thrashers deal.
NHL.com now reports the deal is as follows:
The Hawks will send Byfuglien, center Ben Eager, defenseman Brent Sopel and prospect Akim Aliu, a second-round pick in 2007, to the Thrashers for the first-round pick (No. 24) Atlanta acquired from New Jersey in the Ilya Kovalchuk trade, a second-round pick (No. 54) that also came from New Jersey, prospect Jeremy Morin, veteran forward Marty Reasoner and winger Joseph Crabb, who played his first 29 NHL games as part of the Atlanta franchise this past season.
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So, the Blackhawks will receive two quality draft picks. (24th & 54th Overall), a good prospect in Jeremy Morin, a vet, depth center in Reasoner, and 27 year old Joeseph Crabb (who I believe, still has some potential.)
But, the big thing for the Blackhawks is the freed up $6.5M in cap space they have gained.
The Thrashers however, have picked up a big, net presence player in Byfuglien. A tough, physical center in Ben Eager, a pretty solid defender in Brent Sopel, and a good prospect in Aliu.
The Thrashers have added physical, big players to their lineup in this deal. Something, Atlanta has lacked. Then again, what doesn't Atlanta lack right now?
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 16:55:48
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Ya Leafsfan, I can see Stewart breaking out as well.
That being said, Hejduk is a UFA at the end of next season. He is also 34 years old compared to Kovalchuk's 27 years old. Hedjuk is also 8 years removed from his one and only 50 goal season and is far more likely to be on the lower side of 30 goals than over 30 goals these day.
More importantly, move out Hedjuk and COL has another $3 million towards the cap. Kovalchuk at say $8-9 million for 6 years is basically upgrading a winger back to what Hedjuk once was and in many ways far more productive. Furthermore, they would still have $23 million left under the cap, keeping them as the team in the NHL with the 6th most money to spend.
Sign Kovalchuk and still have that kind of cash??? I can't see what's wrong with that. Who cares if he doesn't play defense, he doesn't get paid to do that. But think of what a line would look like with Stastny and Kovalchuk together. Heck, put Fat Elvis Rocks out there on the other wing and his chucky behind will put in 30 goals and 70 points!! |
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 05:55:46
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| I love how the Sharks said they wouldn't sign Marleau if he didn't sign for less then $7M...so what do they sign him for?....$6.9M!!! haha classic.... |
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 06:06:08
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Originally posted by Guest8241
I love how the Sharks said they wouldn't sign Marleau if he didn't sign for less then $7M...so what do they sign him for?....$6.9M!!! haha classic....
I was actually thinking that! Its so true, teams weren't going to go after him for 7, so the Sharks signed him for 6.9.
SJ management definitely caved under the pressure of the fans to bring him back!
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 09:31:45
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I think you are all crazy, and are only rating Savard against Kaberle as if Savard isn't one bad hit from the end of his career. Seriously folks, that is a major risk . . . and didn't the Leafs already get an ex-Bruin who had concussion issues in Allison? Hopefully they have learned their lesson . . .
Yes, on just skill and value, sure - Savard is a half grade above Kaberle, sure. But just like Kaberle's "one-dimensionality", Savard doesn't bring a lot more other than offence to the table. And like Kaberle, he doesn't need to.
Think of it in a hockey pool way: With straight points for goals and assists, where do you draft Savard, and where do you draft Kaberle, if doing seperate drafts for forwards and d-men? I realise you'd have to account for a smaller pool of players for the defencemen, but you get my drift . . . that's why players like Gaborik are a huge risk/reward pick, and in the real world, GMs use real money and most tend to shy away from such players. This is reflected in salary usually as well.
And as an offensive defenceman, Kaberle's shelf life is longer than Savard's, I'd argue. And ppg forwards are equivalent to what for d-men . . . 60 point seasons? Savard is getting what now - 4mil a year? And isn't that what Kaberle is making? Most people agree openly that Kaberle is cheap for what he brings . . . how come no one out there in sportsland is railing about how underpaid Savard is, or how come other GMs aren't constantly knocking on Boston's door about Savard then? I will tell you why - he is a HUGE RISK BECAUSE OF CONCUSSIONS.
At any rate, I really feel it's all a moot point - Savard ain't going anywhere.
'nuff said.
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 11:32:49
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Ok Slozo, If I agree that Savard is a risk for a concussion related career ending hit, can you explain how Kaberle is not in the same boat??
Let's take a quick look back on Kaberle , shall we??
2003-Shoulder Injury (5 games)
2004-Shoulder Injury(5 games)
2007-Concussion (8 Games)
2009 - Hand Injury (25 games)
Looks like Kaberle is also on injury away (shoulder, head, or hand).
Apples to apples, Kaberle is not a fair deal for Savard. |
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polishexpress
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 12:43:00
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| I know this is crazy, far-fetched, and will not happen, but if Boston would be willing to give up the #2 pick, would EDM be able to give up players like Penner, Hemsky, Cogliano, Gagner, Brule, Smid etc. to relieve cap issues for the bruins, maybe taking a player like Savard or Thomas? |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 13:50:05
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I think you are all crazy, and are only rating Savard against Kaberle as if Savard isn't one bad hit from the end of his career. Seriously folks, that is a major risk . . . and didn't the Leafs already get an ex-Bruin who had concussion issues in Allison? Hopefully they have learned their lesson . . .
Yes, on just skill and value, sure - Savard is a half grade above Kaberle, sure. But just like Kaberle's "one-dimensionality", Savard doesn't bring a lot more other than offence to the table. And like Kaberle, he doesn't need to.
Think of it in a hockey pool way: With straight points for goals and assists, where do you draft Savard, and where do you draft Kaberle, if doing seperate drafts for forwards and d-men? I realise you'd have to account for a smaller pool of players for the defencemen, but you get my drift . . . that's why players like Gaborik are a huge risk/reward pick, and in the real world, GMs use real money and most tend to shy away from such players. This is reflected in salary usually as well.
And as an offensive defenceman, Kaberle's shelf life is longer than Savard's, I'd argue. And ppg forwards are equivalent to what for d-men . . . 60 point seasons? Savard is getting what now - 4mil a year? And isn't that what Kaberle is making? Most people agree openly that Kaberle is cheap for what he brings . . . how come no one out there in sportsland is railing about how underpaid Savard is, or how come other GMs aren't constantly knocking on Boston's door about Savard then? I will tell you why - he is a HUGE RISK BECAUSE OF CONCUSSIONS.
At any rate, I really feel it's all a moot point - Savard ain't going anywhere.
'nuff said.
Where to begin....
1. As others have mentioned, all players are 1 hit away from the end of their careers. The fact that Savard has had a concussion should not scare away any team. If the Leafs are scared by that, then they need to give their heads a shake.
2. Savard is not a one-dimensional player. He plays even, PP, and PK. He does well in all 3 situations, although obviously does very well on the PP
3. You cannot compare Savard to Gaborik in terms of "injury prone". Savard is nowhere near the same league as Gaborik in that regard. With the exception of last year, Savard has played over 75 games a season since the lockout. Since the lockout, Gaborik has played only 2 seasons of 75 or more, and never played a full season. Gaborik was a risky signing, Savard is comparatively risk-free.
4. Kaberle is cheap for what he brings right now, bug will certainly get a significant raise after this year is up - a raise that not a lot of teams can afford. Savard's underpayment status DOES NOT MATTER, as he will be at that cap hit for the remainder of his career. I guess a better question is - would you rather have Savard @ 4.2M or Kaberle @ 5.5M?
5. I suspect that GM's haven't been knocking on the door because they just have assumed that Savard is untouchable - until a few weeks ago it was probably true. With the odds of Boston getting Seguin in the draft, they are suddenly very deep at C, and Savard is their most valuable trade bait - hence his availability.
Savard for Kaberle straight up is a ripoff, and Chirelli would be crucified next year when Kaberle walks and he has nothing to show for giving up his #1 centre. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 13:54:22
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BTW, more rumours:
- TSN is reporting that the Flyers will re-deal the rights to Hamhuis before July 1, as they are nowhere near signing him, and don't think they can. Indications are that VAN is very interested in picking them up.
(told you Beans  )
- Interest is high in Ballard from FLA, esp amongst Western teams
- Stars are shopping Ribeiro
- Gonchar negotiating to stay in PIT. PIT offering a 2 year deal, Gonchar looking for 3. No word on money. |
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 13:57:13
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Um, Beans, it means a bit more when Savard missed 41 games last season with a severe concussion. A severe concussion that made him miss the last half of the season, and had him play the last 7 playoff games for the Bruins, where he seemed ok but certainly wasn't 100% I'd say.
As everyone knows, with a concussion as severe as the one Savard endured, another one of even the moderate variety might be a career ender.
Kaberle returned for a full season last year after his longest time away due to a wrist injury, and showed that he is A ok.
Certainly not "apples to apples" by any stretch of the imagination.
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 15:06:11
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Correct me if I am wrong but as far as I know that was Savards first concussion he has ever suffered in the NHL. While it is possible that he may suffer another one ie Eric Lindros or Kieth Primeau it is far more likely that he never has any more problems or issues with it in his career.
Based on the probabilities why trade a proven 90pt player at the cap hit they have him signed for a player that they can sign via free agency in one year.Just doesn't make sence for so many reasons. |
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 16:01:24
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Ballard traded to Vancouver for Bernier and a first round draft pick.
Nice pick up for Vancouver |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 16:13:05
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Ballard, I like that pickup - didn't even know he was available until today.
a) it gives us a good solid stay-at-home dman, and we don't have to overpay for Volchenkov now
b) it gets Bernier off the books
I'm also hearing that Grabner was part of that deal - so Bernier, Grabner, and 25th pick to FLA. Could be wrong about the Grabner part. I still think its a fair deal with Grabner in there.
No source on TSN yet, but capgeek already has Ballard for the Canucks
EDIT - OK, I have a source, CKNW (local radio station) that the trade is:
To FLA:
- Bernier
- Grabner
- 25th overall pick
To VAN:
- Ballard
- Victor Oreshkovich (I don't know this player)
EDIT 2 - well, this gets weirder - apparently the trade is conditional, depending on who is available at the 25th pick. If Gillis thinks there is value at 25 he'll scuttle the trade.
That is a first AFAIK. Source is Vancouver Sun |
Edited by - nuxfan on 06/25/2010 17:22:24 |
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 18:15:43
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Who cares if he missed one game or 40 games. He could get hit tomorrow playing street hockey with his kids and never play again. Or, he could play another 8ish years and produce very well.
I am not arguing that Savard very well COULD be one hit away. But I think you are being completely oblivious to the fact that Kaberle has missed his share of time due to injuries, including a concussion.
It very much is apples to apple and there is little or nothing you can say to change that for me. Both have been injured and both could be injured again in the future. Looking straight up at the players, Savard for Kaberle is a one sided deal. |
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 18:31:08
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Yeah, nuxfan, that is a bit of a weird one, don't remember seeing one like that before . . . guess they want a certain guy.
Drat, looks like I was wrong about a top ten draft pick for Kaberle . . . oh well, hopefully we get that scoring winger or playmaking centre instead.
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 18:50:35
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| Is it just me or does Burke seem kind of depressed at the draft this year. He was really banking on getting That first round pick. I think he totally overestimated the value of Kaberle or was asking way to much. I believe he was offered a first round pick for Schen but turned it down. Some where between 16 to 19 overall. |
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Deaner
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 19:00:52
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| i hope burke does like he says and hangs on to schenn. wouldn't make much sense to get rid of the kid. i would like to see him land a good center for kaberle. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 19:14:02
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nuxfan, i went from liking that trade a lot to hating it once i heard Grabner was part of it. I too don't know a thing about the prospect we're getting but when i first heard Grabner was involved, i thought it would include a swap of our pick for their 15th pick as well? Apparently not
From what i heard on Team 1040 through Bob Mackenzie is that if the player the Canucks are after is still available, then the first round pick would be next years pick from the Canucks? If the player the Canucks want is already taken, then the Canucks would give them their pick at 25. From what i heard through the rumour mill, Jarred Tinordi is the guy they Canucks want(ed) but unfortunately so did the Habs. They just traded up by swapping later picks to select Tinordi at #22. Guess we'll soon find out? There's still a few dmen out there who've fallen in the draft who the Canucks may still go after? Mark Pysyk and John Merrill are two still available as far as defencemen. Oh, sorry, the Sabres just took Pysyk as i was typing! Emerson Etem is a winger who was ranked much higher but is still available as well! Be interested to see if this pick in fact does go to Florida? |
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Alex116
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 19:28:58
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Well, it's official, Florida now has pick 25, their third pick in this first round!
I don't like the deal for the Canucks. Ballard is signed at 4.2 for another 4 years! To me that's too much for a guy with limited offensive skills. Yeah, we lost 2 mil in salary from Bernier but Grabner was improving and was still cheap at 750k a year.
Don't really like it. Maybe this Oreskovich kid is a future stud? I sure hope so? |
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 20:36:53
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Ballard has some offensive upside, it is limited but he does appear to have some use for rushing the puck or possibly on the PP. I think it addresses a big concern for the Canucks, which is a getting a solid all-around defenseman.
And I think that Oreskovich is just an energy-type player. I don't know much about him though. |
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irvine
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 23:23:33
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Philly trades Hamhuis to Pittsburgh for 3rd Round Draft Pick.
Hamhuis is on the move again!
Irvine/prez. |
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irvine
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 23:25:56
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I can see three possibilities here, but two are more likely than option 3...
1) Pittsburgh lets Gonchar walk, sign Hamhuis
2) Pittsburgh use Hamhuis as a threat, to get talks going strong with Gonchar and his agent.
3) Pittsburgh sign both. (unlikely, but possible.)
Irvine/prez. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/26/2010 : 09:45:50
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Irvine: I think PIT will try to sign Hamhuis instead of Gonchar, good move by them to pickup his rights. Hamhuis will be a capable but cheaper alternative, which they need.
I still like to think that the Canucks are in the market for Hamhuis come July 1, but to do so now they'd have to move one of their existing dmen (Bieksa or Salo come to mind).
Alex: I too was skeptical about the Ballard deal, however some things to think about:
1. The Canucks have a very formidible offensive capability already, do they need Grabner? I know, as a Canucks fan its weird to talk about "formidible offense" and "lots of scoring threats"  , but hey, it is what it is.
2. Grabner was not the type of player that Gillis wants any more of. This is just my personal opinion, but we have all the non-physical skill scoring talent that we need (Sedin's). What we need to add more of is the physical forward that can chip in a reasonable number of points but play the hard game as well. If Grabner does not fit into your offensive plans, then he becomes a very valuable trade chip.
3. Oreshkovic is not as insignificant as I originally thought. He was COL's second round pick in 2004, and from ON (not European as his name suggests). Played 50 games for FLA last year in his first full year in the league, but didn't produce a lot of offense, so probably bottom six. He's a big RW (6'3, 215lbs) that will likely slot in on our energy line as a physical presence. At only 25 with one year under his belt, there is lots of upside.
4. Getting Grabner and Bernier off the books gives us some room to try and resign Raymond, who I really would like to see Gillis keep. Bernier makes 2M/year, so that is a significant salary to shed.
I definitely like Ballard, he's a great replacement for Mitchell's presence, and under contract for a very reasonable 4.2 for the next 5 years (Leafsfan - the Canucks will be looking for Ballard to provide defense first, with a moderate amount of offense - any more than 20 points a year will be a bonus IMO). And we didn't give anything up out of our very productive core to get him. |
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HawkinOilCountry
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Posted - 06/26/2010 : 09:53:31
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Ok, so I don't know a lot about the Nucks' line up. And what I do know stems from watching the Oil and Hawks play them. But it sure seems like Vancouver over paid on this trade. Seriously over paid.
Bernier and the first round pick I could've seen, but TWO roster players AND the 1st round pick is ridiculous in my books.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/26/2010 : 10:37:36
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Bernier and the first round pick I could've seen, but TWO roster players AND the 1st round pick is ridiculous in my books.
Bernier was effectively a salary dump. After last season, the Canucks had no intention of keeping Bernier for the coming season, he has dissapointed at the level of pay he is getting, does not play his size, and is very inconsistent as a player. That 2M per year can be spent elsewhwere.
Grabner is a tough one. He didn't start the season with the Canucks, but did finish it after being called up to fill in for injuries. He had a good finish, and could be exciting to watch. I think he'll be a good player one day.
The 25th pick - draft picks, you never know. Definitely a prospect, but absolutely unknown.
So, the way I see this trade is 2 prospects at different levels of development for Ballard and a lesser prospect. The Canucks filled a need (solid dman at a reasonable salary for a lot of years), and FLA filled a need (youth movement). The Canucks got rid of an undesirable in the process.
The real measure of this trade will be Grabner in 2-3 years I think - if he turns into a 70-80 point player with solid 2-way play, then the Canucks lost this trade. If he stays at 30-40 points per season and stays one-dimensional, then the Canucks won. Anything else in the middle is a draw. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 06/26/2010 : 23:22:28
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All i've heard, and this is just talk on the radio, is that Hamhuis has basically said that he's gonna test the free agent waters on July 1. He was said to have told a reporter that he didn't even know that Philly was negotiating for his rights a week ago? Gonna be interesting to see what Pitts does? As far as the Canucks, i'd love to see him here, however, i think the price might end up being a little too high for this guy. He's good all around, but the 'Nucks need a PP QB, not another all around solid dman!
nuxfan.... I hear what you're saying and agree with most of it. Having said that, i still think we overpaid for a 30 point two way dman. Don't get me wrong, i like what Ballard brings to the table, i just think we might have given up a little too much? I agree that Grabner maybe didn't fit into Gillis' plans here but i still think we coulda fetched more for this kid! |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/27/2010 : 00:15:25
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Alex, hard to say. On the surface it seems like a high price, but Gillis got what he wants - a steady dman with upside at a set and reasonable salary for the next 4-5 years. He could take a chance on July 1 and see what happens, but I bet that Hamhuis and Volchenkov go for 5+M/year at that point, and not necessarily to the Canucks. After Ballard, Hamhuis, and Volchenkov, who is there that fits our bill, that is available, that you think would be an upgrade to our current corps? I would hate to be opening the season with no defensive upgrade at all.
I still maintain that time will tell.
More trade stuff:
- Phili has acquired the rights to Nabokov to sign him before July 1. As with Hamhuis, I cannot see how Phili can sign him, given their cap situation - unless Nabby takes a serious discount to be there. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 06/27/2010 : 09:39:48
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Here are some
Boston Trades Vladmir Sobotka to St Louis for David Warsofsky.
I just put this in here because my hometwn team the Halifax Moose Heads player Konrad Abeltschauser gets drafted by my favorite team the San Jose Sharks.
San Jose re-signs Scotty Nichol and Niclas Wallin,Im furious they re-signed Wallin.They are both 1 year contracts.
Coyotes likely to lose Michalek,Lombardi and Stempniak to UFA.
Marc Savard will lift NTC for a trade to Toronto or Ottawa.
Kings tried to trade for Kovalchuks rights.
Oilers took a run at Spezza.
Thrashers interested in Marc Savard.
Leafs interested in Cogliano.
Luongo to Montreal?????
Flyers officialy aquire Nabokovs rights for a 7th round pick if he signs.
Kevin Bieksa to SJ for Setoguchi??????
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Guest9217
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Posted - 06/27/2010 : 10:38:04
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| Theres no way Boston is trading Savard to Toronto and no one has mentioned the biggest reason why yet. What team wants Toronto to have a really bad season this year coming? Thats right its Boston, having Toronto first overall pick in 2011. There is no way Boston does anything that remotely helps them in this coming year. Maybe in 2012 but zero chance this year. |
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Posted - 06/27/2010 : 18:10:59
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Excellent point, guest - you're right, Boston would want Toronto to fail hopefully as badly as last year, that way their next first rounder reaps in even more rewards. True true.
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 08:01:34
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Update on Kaberle/Savard rumour:
In the Toronto Sun, there was a longish article on just this rumour (gotta love Toronto), and the Sun reported that, "A source told the Toronto Sun that the Leafs have no interest in giving up their strongest asset - defenceman Tomas Kaberle - to acquire Savard. And there goes that rumour."
"A source". Classic hard-nosed reporting once again from the crack sports team at the Sun.
At any rate, they seem to be treating this source as if it was Burke himself who stated this . . . and who knows, maybe he did through this source. But they later went on to say that Grabovski or Kulemin packaged with others might be offered for Savard . . .
. . . while we still haven't heard even one comment from the Boston management or Toronto management concerning Savard. 
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 08:10:15
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Slozo....
Read this morning in the Province Newspaper that the Leafs are seriously interested in Savard but it was unlikely that the Bruins would want Kaberle in that deal. Not sure what else it'd take to get Savard but i have a funny feeling Burke won't wanna give Boston any more draft picks?
Burke was also quoted as saying he'll keep Kaberle if he doesn't get what he feels is a fair offer. Trust me, having seen Burke operate first hand here in Vancouver, that could very well mean that Kaberle isn't going anywhere. Burke is known to have an extremely high asking price for his players and especially when it's arguably his best asset as far as trade value and current contract goes. He is quoted as saying he had three offers for Kaberle at the draft, and one insult. That's Burkes way of saying fourth offer was no where near good enough i suppose? |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 09:07:25
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Kevin Bieksa to SJ for Setoguchi??????
Jumbo Joe, interesting one, I have not seen this rumour mentioned anywhere. I have been waiting for something to happen with either Salo or Bieksa - both are UFA after next year, both are fragile as all hell, and I think Gillis would be open to moving either and upgrading on defense come July 1.
I would take that trade in a heartbeat.
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Read this morning in the Province Newspaper that the Leafs are seriously interested in Savard but it was unlikely that the Bruins would want Kaberle in that deal. Not sure what else it'd take to get Savard but i have a funny feeling Burke won't wanna give Boston any more draft picks?
I read the same, and its interesting. I read that, and also that Burke doesn't think Savard is enough for Kaberle. With Kaberle, Burke is in a tough situation. Not only is Kaberle Toronto's best asset, he's their ONLY asset right now. The other roster players they have that they're willing to move would not be anywhere near enough for Savard, and BOS already has most of their valuable draft picks.
If I were Kaberle, and was still with the leafs at the beginning of the season, I would play it out and walk away a UFA next summer - Burke might get a low round draft pick as compensation for my rights. I think Leafs management have treated him pretty shoddily - never have I seen so much talk (over more than this year too) about moving a player without actually moving the player. It can't be good for Kaberle's peace of mind or his play on the ice. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 09:15:51
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some more rumours/reports:
- Canucks will qualify all RFA's
- rumours that the Canucks are still interested in Hamhuis, which means that one of the current blueliners will have to be moved to make room (Jumbo Joe - Bieksa is named as the most likely to move, seems I'm behind on my rumours)
- Hawks have qualified Hjarmarsson and Ladd
- Anaheim has put a contract in front of Bobby Ryan for 5 yrs, 20-25M (to put to bed bad rumours from earlier that had them parting ways)
- Although rights are getting traded, both Hamhius and Nabokov intend to hit free agency
- Gillis will sign Raymond regardless of arbitration outcome.
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