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Beans15
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 Posted - 06/28/2010 : 10:01:37
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Listened this morning that Savard is willing to waive his no trade clause for only two teams. Toronto and Ottawa.
If we are mostly saying that the Kaberle/Savard deal doesn't look to be the right fit, what else would/could TO give to make that deal right? Savard would be nice along side of Kessel. We have already had a glimpse of what that can produce.
On the other hand, if Murray can make a deal for Savard in Ottawa, does that make all these Spezza rumors a lot more plausible. Even through Murray said that Spezza is the #1 centre in Ottawa and he is going into the summer with that intention. However, Savard being a similar player to Spezza, a few years older but also $3 million a year cheaper, it might be enough to make a deal.
You also have to think that Boston wants to make room for Seguin to play next year or at the worst the year after.
Also heard that SJ has given permission for Nabokov to speak with Philly. If they make a deal before July 1, a 6thish round pick goes from Philly to SJ. |
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Guest9272
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 10:37:21
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Boston does have to make room for Seguin. The question I have to ask is, do they have to do it this year or can they wait till next year? I find it hard to believe if they think they have to, they would do it with Toronto as:
1. They own Toronto's first pick next year, why make them better
2. They are in the same division, 6 games per year
3. They are in same conference, potential playoff foes(not likely this year)
4. They really need quality wingers, Toronto has basically Kessel(Savard for Kessel) not likely
I know when theres smoke there is usually fire but this trade doesn't add up. Damn Toronto media
Now Ottawa? |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 10:56:42
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If we are mostly saying that the Kaberle/Savard deal doesn't look to be the right fit, what else would/could TO give to make that deal right? Savard would be nice along side of Kessel. We have already had a glimpse of what that can produce.
Beans, I think that is the crux of the problem - BOS doesn't really need Kaberle, and TOR has very little in the way of other assets to move to BOS that would make an even Savard deal - unless we're talking about a 4-for-1 deal or something like that.
Another option could be a 3-team trade, where TOR gets Savard, team3 gets Kaberle, and BOS gets some other forward asset/stay-at-home dman/combo from team3 that they want.
I think an OTT deal is far-fetched, they have Spezza and Fisher at C, surely one of those would have to move out of town if Savard were acquired.
Correct me if I'm wrong - there is a NTC that kicks in on July 1 when the extension starts, correct? Is there any NTC right now? Could BOS not trade Savard to any team in the NHL up until July 1? Why all the focus on TOR or OTT and waiving no trade clauses? |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 10:57:31
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another rumour:
- TAM signalling that Malone could be available via trade. He has 5 years and 19M left on his current contract. |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 12:13:52
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the Journal de Montreal is reporting Savard said he would play for Montreal aswell, but of cousre the Journal de Montreal would also report Wayne Grezky is comming out of retirment to play for the habs,, so who knows if its true or wishfull thinking by the incredibly bias french media
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Leafs81
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 12:41:42
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I would love to see Savard play with Toronto. And I think Kaberle would be a nice fit for Boston. A puck moving defenseman with a tremendous first pass and a powerplay quarterback would fit in nicely to set up Chara for the big one timer. Also now they lost Wideman.
But I think Boston wants more then Kaberle. So Kaberle and Kulemin (a second or third line LW) would be a nice deal.
And to those who says Boston don't want to make Toronto better, true... but I don't think losing Kaberle would make the team better right away, he brings a lot to the table. I think they want to trade Kaberle because of
1. all the money locked up on defense
2. The reason somebody stated about Kaberle probably wanting out now since rumours about him being traded has been going on for two years.
3. him being their biggest asset
If Burke can pull this off I'll be a happy fan.
But really my first choice was to keep Kaberle and sign him next year, but now with all those rumours I wouldn't blame Kaberle to want out after this season. So might as well trade him. and if it's for Savard  |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 15:02:27
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Some more rumours (some new, some building on past rumours):
- BUF is targetting one of Paul Martin or Pavel Kubina on D
- WAS is extremely interested in Willie Mitchell
- PHI now has rights to talk to both Turco and Nabby, and are also rumoured to be interested in Thomas from BOS. One would think that Phili have more assets that are appealing to BOS than TOR does... apparently Nabby nowhere near a deal with PHI
- VAN still interested in Volchenkov, and are odds-on favourites to get Hamhuis (which very likely means a current dman is moving)
- TOR interested in Hamhuis, and Colby Armstrong
- COL interested in Whitney
- MON looking to get Biron as a backup for next year
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 15:31:27
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I totally missed Hamhuis getting traded from Philly to Pitt on Friday too! This guy does seem like he is interested in the UFA world, hey??
Here are a few others names that no one has really been talking about:
Kariya, Jokinen, Dimetra, Whitney, Koivu, and Selanne
All are getting a little long in the tooth and should expect big time pay cuts, but all still have 2nd/3rd line abilities for a reasonable price.
No one has brought up Ponikarovksy or Fedotanko or Prospal either. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 16:19:51
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Here are a few...
Benoit Pouliot re-signs with Montreal,didnt they want to not sign him???
Boston to make ''soft'' deal to move Savard.
Leafs reportedly talking to Turco with permission,Not sure if it is true.
Cheechoo and Kotalik are waived.
Colorado trades their 2011 4th round pick to Phoenix for Daniel Winnik.
Calgary make offers to 8 players.Keetly,Baldwin,Pelech,White,Karlsson,Chuko,Sutter and Watt.
Edmonton make offers to 10 players.Brule,Cogliano,Deslauriers,Dubnyk,Fraser,Gagner,Jaques,O'Mara,Peckham and Reddox.
Recchi age 42!! signs a 1 year deal!!!!
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irvine
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 20:53:33
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I didn't miss Hamhuis being traded from PHI to PIT. Infact, I posted it here. :P lol.
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 20:55:46
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nuxfan - to be fair about the way Kaberle may be seen as "mistreated" by the Leafs, any comment by Burke on him possibly getting traded has almost always been in response to a thousand questions from the media.
The media here is relentless and brutal. They make up about 95% of the rumours, then argue with themselves about it, and then ask the GM to settle the argument . . . hilarious at times, but mostly annoying.
Second part of the rumour of "no Kaberle for Savard" was that eithe Grabovski or Kulemin packaged with prospects might be dealt for him . . . but this seems a bit thin for the B's, who aren't really pressed from what I can see into dealing their top assist man, playmaker, and on-ice leader of sorts. I mean, from a Bruins perspective . . . it doesn't make sense, other than management knowing something that we don't, potentially having to do with Marc's concussion? I only offer this up as speculation because nothing else makes sense to me . . .
. . . why get Horton, then deal your best guy to set him up to score more goals? Seguin isn't going to be your start player in the first year, I'd think.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 22:15:26
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nuxfan - to be fair about the way Kaberle may be seen as "mistreated" by the Leafs, any comment by Burke on him possibly getting traded has almost always been in response to a thousand questions from the media.
Burke is a professional GM. He should be very familiar with the terms "no comment" or "I can't comment". Vancouver is a passionate hockey town - Gillis (and Nonis before him) gets hounded by the press about rumours and deals as well, but he doesn't really comment on rumours.
I don't recall a player being dragged through so much turmoil, over multiple years, ever, by their GM.
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Second part of the rumour of "no Kaberle for Savard" was that eithe Grabovski or Kulemin packaged with prospects might be dealt for him . . . but this seems a bit thin for the B's, who aren't really pressed from what I can see into dealing their top assist man, playmaker, and on-ice leader of sorts. I mean, from a Bruins perspective . . . it doesn't make sense, other than management knowing something that we don't, potentially having to do with Marc's concussion? I only offer this up as speculation because nothing else makes sense to me . . .
. . . why get Horton, then deal your best guy to set him up to score more goals? Seguin isn't going to be your start player in the first year, I'd think.
Definitely agree with that - no matter what what you slice it, I don't see a deal between TOR and BOS for Savard that makes any sense for BOS. Kaberle is their only serious asset, and BOS doesn't need a Kaberle. Anyone else doesn't bring enough value for Savard (unless you start moving big pieces).
Perhaps BOS will move another centre - I heard some rumours earlier in the summer that they were shopping Krejci and that Calgary was rumoured to be interested, but nothing more came of it. Perhaps Bergeron will be on the move, but I haven't heard anything of the sort - even though he makes more than Savard and is a UFA after next season (and he's also "one hit away from the end of his career). Perhaps they'll keep them all, thinking that Seguin might not make the team for another year.
Who knows - TSN has been concentrating on Savard/Kaberle for so long, Its hard to tell if BOS is trying to move anyone else. We'll wait and see I guess.
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I totally missed Hamhuis getting traded from Philly to Pitt on Friday too! This guy does seem like he is interested in the UFA world, hey??
Here are a few others names that no one has really been talking about:
Kariya, Jokinen, Dimetra, Whitney, Koivu, and Selanne
All are getting a little long in the tooth and should expect big time pay cuts, but all still have 2nd/3rd line abilities for a reasonable price.
No one has brought up Ponikarovksy or Fedotanko or Prospal either.
Beans, I told you Hamhuis wouldn't be signing with Phili  . I would think that they simply could not afford him at his asking price, which is probably 4.5/year. I don't think PIT will get him either, probably for the same reason.
I mentioned in my post above yours that COL is apparently interested in Whitney, we'll see. I also read something about OTT being interested in Ponikarovsky (they are also interested in Savard, but I'm not sure how they would do that with Spezza and Fisher).
Have heard nothing about the rest you mention |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 22:28:09
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more rumours:
- ATL made an offer to Afinogenov, he turned it down. Leaning towards KHL
- ATL also failed to sign Armstrong, he's heading to UFA
- Kulemin is asking for 3M+ per season on a long term deal (Leafs fans - is he worth that?)
- Leafs do not qualify John Mitchell, he'll be UFA on July 1.
- PHI has been unable to sign Turco, word is he'll go UFA as well. Nick Kypreos thinks SJ will be interested
- CGY has qualified Ian White, and they're moving closer to a multi-year deal.
- NYR did not qualify Enver Lisin, or Erik Christenson
- PHI is no longer talking to Nabokov, he wants way too much (for PHI at least)
- CHI has been shopping Versteeg, specifically to FLA - price too high
Man, it seems that ATL is hemorrhaging players - first Kovy, now Afinogenov and Armstrong. |
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Posted - 06/29/2010 : 06:01:30
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I've heard strong rumours out of Calgary that Boston will be trading a centre and are in strong talks with Calgary.
Latest offer
David Krejci
Blake Wheller
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Jerome Iginla |
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Posted - 06/29/2010 : 06:31:14
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| As a Boston fan That would be awesome, However I can't see Calgary doing that trade. There would need to be more. Also that would definately put them over the cap. Would have to move a big contract first. Thomas(5mil) Ryder(4mil) or Bergeron(5mil) |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 06/29/2010 : 06:37:48
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Here is some....
Sharks make qualifying offers to Setoguchi,Joslin and Zalewski.Do not offer contracts to Jones,Vernace and Rahimi they will become UFA unless something changes.
Apparently Kaberle could be traded to SJ tonight for Setoguchi and Wallin,says Hockey Buzz Rumors, I highly doubt it
GO SHARKS GO |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 06/29/2010 : 08:36:15
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Gonna be an interesting few days coming up by the looks of it, though i don't expect it to match last years frenzy of player signings and movement!
Here's an interesting article from the Globe and Mail regarding Toronto's interest in Savard. It also mentions Calgary as a possible destination to reunite him with Iggy?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/savard-in-play-but-he-may-not-be-a-gms-go-to-guy/article1622206/
Here's another story......
#9632;Bruce Garrioch of the Ottawa Sun: If the Ottawa Senators are unable to re-sign Andy Sutton and Anton Volchenkov, they could take a look at Sheldon Souray. Jonathan Cheechoo could be included as they’d need the cap numbers to be similar, the Oilers could then buyout Cheechoo as they have the space to absorb the cap hit. Defensemen Brian Lee and Chris Campoli may also be on the trading block. The Senators may take a look at signing Dan Hamhuis or Sergei Gonchar if they become available.
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/29/2010 : 10:15:05
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I can see Hamhuis signing with Pitt if Gonchar is actually on his way out. Pitt will have more than enough money.
I still don't see Iginla going anywhere and if he does, Krejci and Wheeler is not enough. Iginla is still an elite talent in this league and still has 5ish solid seasons in him.
Finally, what has Burke done to Kaberle??? Nothing. He has been completely honest is that Kaberle would be dealt if the deal was right for the team and Burke has never thrown Kaberle under the bus.
Look, these 'guys' are assets. Nothing more. If trading a players makes your team better, so be it. Is the GM supposed to hide that?? To me, that would be more mistreatment of the player than telling it straight up.
For as much as I have always disliked Burke, his handling of the Kaberle situation has been pro from the start. Because he has the stones to talk candidly does not make him disrespectful to his players. Actually to the contrary. Players love playing for Burke. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/29/2010 : 10:51:02
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more rumours:
- according to Bob McKenzie on TSN, there are a few RFA's that don't have arbitration rights, where they or the team have also not requested arbitration. The agents for these RFA's are now allowed to seek offer sheets for services (before July 1). Highlights of players that fall into that category: James Neal, Bobby Ryan, Marc Staal.
- Hamhuis and PIT continue to talk, nothing done. Beans, I agree that if Hamhuis is signed by PIT they have to let Gonchar walk, and it would be a pretty nice swap - Gonchar is good offensively but is getting old, Hamhuis is a younger tougher choice to go forward with. Sources say the odds are still that he goes to UFA. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/29/2010 : 11:12:58
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Finally, what has Burke done to Kaberle??? Nothing. He has been completely honest is that Kaberle would be dealt if the deal was right for the team and Burke has never thrown Kaberle under the bus.
Look, these 'guys' are assets. Nothing more. If trading a players makes your team better, so be it. Is the GM supposed to hide that?? To me, that would be more mistreatment of the player than telling it straight up.
For as much as I have always disliked Burke, his handling of the Kaberle situation has been pro from the start. Because he has the stones to talk candidly does not make him disrespectful to his players. Actually to the contrary. Players love playing for Burke.
Sometimes too much honesty is a bad thing IMO.
Simply, Burke has added a heap o' stress to Kaberle, that he otherwise would not have had put on him - one can only wonder if it has adversely affected his game. Its one thing for press to speculate about the future of a player - and the TO press speculate s well as anyone - its another thing to have plans confirmed by the GM and then let the ongoing questions commence.
If Burke is trying to get max value for an asset, the best thing he can do is keep his trap shut and let his asset play to the best of his ability without distraction. Players may be assets, but they are human as well, and get bogged down by distractions and drama like everyone else. How well do you perform at work when you're thinking about whether or not you'll be moving across the continent in a month or two, after spending 10 years in the same city? Probably not very well.
Kaberle's stats are telling:
- prior to 2007/2008: steadily increasing point totals peaking in 2005/2006/2007 with 67 and 58 point seasons.
- 2007/2008 - Kaberle had a pretty good year, and was consistently scoring throughout. In Feb/Mar/April of that year, he had 1g and 21a, enroute to a 53 point campaign - over 1/3 of his points garnered in the final third of the season.
- 2008/2009 - in Feb of that year, Burke starts discussing possibly moving Kaberle at the deadline, the first volley in a long public discussion of potential trades for Kaberle. In Jan/Feb/Mar/April of that year, he had 2g and 4a, in a 31 point campaign. It is interesting to note that before January, Kaberle was producing at a rate consistent with the year before. Also noteworthy is 2 hand injuries sustained during those months that likely contributed to diminished production - so I cannot claim that the point drop is solely related to trade talk.
- 2009/2010 - after settling into the season with the summer trade talk fiasco diminished, Kaberle starts fine and lights it up in Oct/Nov/Dec/Jan. Once again, trade talk starts approaching the deadline, and production plummets again - 2g and 4a in Feb/Mar/April enroute to a 49 point season - less than 10% of his points obtained over the last third of the season.
I don't know, you tell me - does the constant barrage of trade speculation affect Kaberle's performance? |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 06/29/2010 : 11:39:20
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Originally posted by nuxfan
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Finally, what has Burke done to Kaberle??? Nothing. He has been completely honest is that Kaberle would be dealt if the deal was right for the team and Burke has never thrown Kaberle under the bus.
Look, these 'guys' are assets. Nothing more. If trading a players makes your team better, so be it. Is the GM supposed to hide that?? To me, that would be more mistreatment of the player than telling it straight up.
For as much as I have always disliked Burke, his handling of the Kaberle situation has been pro from the start. Because he has the stones to talk candidly does not make him disrespectful to his players. Actually to the contrary. Players love playing for Burke.
Sometimes too much honesty is a bad thing IMO.
Simply, Burke has added a heap o' stress to Kaberle, that he otherwise would not have had put on him - one can only wonder if it has adversely affected his game. Its one thing for press to speculate about the future of a player - and the TO press speculate s well as anyone - its another thing to have plans confirmed by the GM and then let the ongoing questions commence.
If Burke is trying to get max value for an asset, the best thing he can do is keep his trap shut and let his asset play to the best of his ability without distraction. Players may be assets, but they are human as well, and get bogged down by distractions and drama like everyone else. How well do you perform at work when you're thinking about whether or not you'll be moving across the continent in a month or two, after spending 10 years in the same city? Probably not very well.
Kaberle's stats are telling:
- prior to 2007/2008: steadily increasing point totals peaking in 2005/2006/2007 with 67 and 58 point seasons.
- 2007/2008 - Kaberle had a pretty good year, and was consistently scoring throughout. In Feb/Mar/April of that year, he had 1g and 21a, enroute to a 53 point campaign - over 1/3 of his points garnered in the final third of the season.
- 2008/2009 - in Feb of that year, Burke starts discussing possibly moving Kaberle at the deadline, the first volley in a long public discussion of potential trades for Kaberle. In Jan/Feb/Mar/April of that year, he had 2g and 4a, in a 31 point campaign. It is interesting to note that before January, Kaberle was producing at a rate consistent with the year before. Also noteworthy is 2 hand injuries sustained during those months that likely contributed to diminished production - so I cannot claim that the point drop is solely related to trade talk.
- 2009/2010 - after settling into the season with the summer trade talk fiasco diminished, Kaberle starts fine and lights it up in Oct/Nov/Dec/Jan. Once again, trade talk starts approaching the deadline, and production plummets again - 2g and 4a in Feb/Mar/April enroute to a 49 point season - less than 10% of his points obtained over the last third of the season.
I don't know, you tell me - does the constant barrage of trade speculation affect Kaberle's performance?
It sure seems like it.
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Alex116
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Posted - 06/29/2010 : 12:24:59
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IMO, if Burke is trying to trade you, you're pretty safe, especially if you're his "best asset". This is because he doesn't like to lose a trade! Further, if you're in Kaberle's shoes, you can only imagine what Burke is prob asking for from the Bruins, the very team who pretty much raped him in the Kessel deal!
My prediction for Hamhuis is that he goes to UFA and waits to see what Vancouver offers him. I think he may be willing to play here for a bit of a discount. Does that mean if he's offered 4.5 he'll play here for 4? Maybe, but there could be a team out there throwing him 5+ being that it's a pretty unimpressive UFA market this time around. That's why the Canucks spent what they did to get Ballard, and it makes a little more sense to me now looking at the big picture. Had they targeted Hamhuis and not gotten him, Ballard may alredy be elsewhere? True, it makes aquiring Hamhuis a little more difficult but if they can unload Bieksa or Salo, it's very doable!
nuxfan, the distractions facing Kaberle could very well have played a role, but i think the hand injury is more to it regarding that one season at the very least. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 06/29/2010 : 13:40:25
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Here's a few....
San Jose signs Cam MacIntyre.
Ryan Vesce off to Europe.
Atlanta signs Noah Welch.
Calgary signs Henrik Karlsson.
Carolina signs Jerome Samson.
Nashville signs Anders Thuresson.
Edmonton waive's Patrick O'Sullivan,Robert Nilsson and Ethan Moreau.
Dallas announces Modano will not be offered a contract.
Philadelphia talking to Marty Turco with permission.
Sheldon Souray to San Jose still not decided.
GO SHARKS GO
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Pasty7
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Posted - 06/29/2010 : 16:09:13
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YESSSSSSIR I AM EXTATIC Segei Kostitsyn for Dan Ellis and Dustin Boyd,.,... sure we still have to sign them but the lazy belarusian is gone<!!
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Pasty7
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Posted - 06/29/2010 : 16:33:51
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ok so now that i have vented my enjoyment am i nuts but if we sign Ellis,, is this trade the ultimated winner or what,, an absolute cancer and lazy player for a Hard nosed hard working Canadian kid who is only 23 years old with great 3rd line potential,, and a very solid vetran goalie u can rely on in the case of a Price meltdown,, and apprently Ellis twiterd he was extremly excited about this trade i was hoping to sign with the habs... this makes the Halak trade look great in my mind basicly for Halak and Kostitsyn we brought back a solid 1b goalie a hard working 3rd liner at only 23 a 13th overall pick who has done nothing but support the reasoning for picking him 13th since his draft putting up great minor league numbers and a solid tough minor league prospect,,,, say what you will providing we sign Ellis this is a huge winner!
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/29/2010 : 17:27:15
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Looks like a gamble trade for both teams honestly - 2 UFA's from NAS for one RFA from MTL. All 3 players had no chance of playing for their current teams next year.
Bob McKenzie on TSN thinks its highly unlikely that Ellis signs with MTL, as it might not be the ideal situation for him (is he a starter, is he a backup, how is it playing with Price), and will probably test the UFA waters in July. Boyd might work out in MTL, but because NAS didn't qualify him yesterday he is UFA on July 1 - so the Habs have a day to get both signed.
NAS gamble on Kostitsyn. He's still pretty young, and if he starts putting up 50-70 points with more playing time in NAS, then this might prove to be a good gamble by NAS, and they may end up winning this trade big time a few years down the road. Kostitsyn would not be the first player to leave a high pressure market only to succeed once out of the spotlight, nor would he be the first player to succeed mightily after leaving MTL (Ribeiro, Latendresse come to mind)
If the Habs can sign both Ellis and Boyd, and sign them to reasonable contracts, then this looks to be a win for them. But there are a lot of ways that MTL can come out of this trade big losers.
I like Ellis as a backup for Price, if he accepts - he's got starting experience and therefore is used to playing more than 1 out of 10 games, in case Price sucks next year.
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freddyboy
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Posted - 06/29/2010 : 17:27:33
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ok so now that i have vented my enjoyment am i nuts but if we sign Ellis,, is this trade the ultimated winner or what,, an absolute cancer and lazy player for a Hard nosed hard working Canadian kid who is only 23 years old with great 3rd line potential,, and a very solid vetran goalie u can rely on in the case of a Price meltdown,, and apprently Ellis twiterd he was extremly excited about this trade i was hoping to sign with the habs... this makes the Halak trade look great in my mind basicly for Halak and Kostitsyn we brought back a solid 1b goalie a hard working 3rd liner at only 23 a 13th overall pick who has done nothing but support the reasoning for picking him 13th since his draft putting up great minor league numbers and a solid tough minor league prospect,,,, say what you will providing we sign Ellis this is a huge winner!
Pasty
couldn't agree more with you SK is finally gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if we sign both, we have a solid backup and boyd will easily take metropolit's place. Ellis is a great goalie so when Price will not be good (almost certain) we can count on Ellis.Boyd has won under 20 championship in 2006( or 2007) with canada hehe. so i think if we sign both we have the advantage. If we only sign one, i would prefer Ellis but both are good
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Pasty7
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Posted - 06/29/2010 : 17:45:52
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Originally posted by nuxfan
Looks like a gamble trade for both teams honestly - 2 UFA's from NAS for one RFA from MTL. All 3 players had no chance of playing for their current teams next year.
Bob McKenzie on TSN thinks its highly unlikely that Ellis signs with MTL, as it might not be the ideal situation for him (is he a starter, is he a backup, how is it playing with Price), and will probably test the UFA waters in July. Boyd might work out in MTL, but because NAS didn't qualify him yesterday he is UFA on July 1 - so the Habs have a day to get both signed.
NAS gamble on Kostitsyn. He's still pretty young, and if he starts putting up 50-70 points with more playing time in NAS, then this might prove to be a good gamble by NAS, and they may end up winning this trade big time a few years down the road. Kostitsyn would not be the first player to leave a high pressure market only to succeed once out of the spotlight, nor would he be the first player to succeed mightily after leaving MTL (Ribeiro, Latendresse come to mind)
If the Habs can sign both Ellis and Boyd, and sign them to reasonable contracts, then this looks to be a win for them. But there are a lot of ways that MTL can come out of this trade big losers.
I like Ellis as a backup for Price, if he accepts - he's got starting experience and therefore is used to playing more than 1 out of 10 games, in case Price sucks next year.
not really mtl only wins here even if Kositsyn score 100 goals and 250 points next year and both Ellis and Boyd dont sign why? Sergei was that horrible for this team he bashed pretty much the whole team a week agi to belarus news papers hes a pure d- bag and i really never thought he would even get us the rights to two players of this calibre i am happy either way,, but i hope boyd and ellis sign honestly boyd even has second line potential but if not easily is a very good 3rd liner and i like Ellis for price way more than Biron or any other ufa goalie
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 06/29/2010 : 20:46:30
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It really isn't that big of a deal. All of these players were headed to UFA status (neither Boyd or Kostitsyn were tendered qualifying offers). Ellis was already set on walking, and Nashville was going to let him walk. Basically this just gives MTL a chance to begin talks with these players one day before July 1st, and had they waited that extra day, they still would have been able to talk to them. Kostitsyn was gone anyways, they were letting him walk.
I don't get your excitement here Pasty, you basically only have one extra day on the rest of the league. This deal is not big or important news whatsoever. |
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Posted - 06/30/2010 : 05:13:30
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Well Leafsfan, I think Pasty made it very, very clear why he thinks this Kostitsyn deal IS a big deal . . . it gets rid of another cancer from the dressing room (in his opinion).
And I can't disagree with him much about that . . . because the deal is essentially probably not much for not much, as it seems unlikely any of the players sign with their new teams.
But Ellis not liking the situation in Montreal? That, I don't get . . . because of I was Ellis, as a B+ goalie, I'd be very excited actually about starting out as Price's back-up. I can almost guarantee that the opportunities will arise in the future to at least tandem, if not become the starting goalie if Price fails badly (which just might happen under the pressure). And from Montreal's standpoint, Ellis is a bit of a hidden gem, as his numbers may not reflect how good he really is by looking at his win collumn . . .
Unfortunately, a good move by Montreal. Still doesn't erase the Halak move, but getting rid of a malcontent, lazy, mid-priced player is always win-win, even if getting nothing in return.
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Posted - 06/30/2010 : 06:54:45
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Good job habs!! Now you've signed another goalie who is better than Justin Pogge....I mean Carie Price.
Hopefully your able to manage this tandum better than Halak/Price. I understand Price played well at the World Juniors but this guy is a bum. Hopefully their smart and start Dan Ellis. Carie Price hasn't earned anything. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 06/30/2010 : 08:58:09
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| NJD have resigned Clarkson to a 3yr/8M deal. I wonder if this sets the bar for Mason Raymond in an arbitration bid - I see the players as pretty similar. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2010 : 09:50:07
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more rumours and moves:
- waiver wire - CBJ will pickup Moreau on waivers today
- rumour - trade in the works, Souray to STL for Brewer in return
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 06/30/2010 : 10:12:53
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Couple of things.
I see Mason Raymond as a better offensive player but not as good of a shut down guy than Clarkson so the comparison is pretty close. However, arbitrators don't use a single contract to measure the bar. In fact, they usually throw out the high and low contracts and focus on the majority in the middle.
Secondly, I don't see Souray for Brewer as a deal that makes sense unless there are prospects and picks involved. Although Brewer is a step up defensively, he is a huge step backwards offensively. Brewer is also $4.5 million for this year. Pretty steep. The only saving grace to the deal over Souray is that Brewer is a UFA next season where Souray is a UFA the season after that.
Maybe, if that is all that is available. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 06/30/2010 : 10:18:56
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Secondly, I don't see Souray for Brewer as a deal that makes sense unless there are prospects and picks involved. Although Brewer is a step up defensively, he is a huge step backwards offensively. Brewer is also $4.5 million for this year. Pretty steep. The only saving grace to the deal over Souray is that Brewer is a UFA next season where Souray is a UFA the season after that.
Beans, I agree, this deal doesn't seem good for EDM. The problem for EDM however, is that Souray MUST be traded before next year, I'm pretty sure he's nuked every bridge with the Oilers. Like OTT and Heatley last year, they simply cannot allow him to show up in an Oil uniform in September.
So, with that in mind, EDM is likely to get a little screwed in whatever deal they take. |
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FLYING -V
Top Prospect
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Posted - 06/30/2010 : 12:24:14
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Okay, deal is o'sullivan to Phoenix for vandermeer. Word is yotes will be buying o Sullivan out.
By the way, Edmonton would be lucky to pick up a player as good as brewer for souray.
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 06/30/2010 : 12:54:12
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Here is a few....
Michael Leighton re-signs with Philadelphia????
Denis Grebeshkov goes to KHL.
Rod Brind'Amour retires.
Ethan Moreau claimed off waivers by Columbus.
Waived players are Nigel Dawes,Jay Pandolfo,Tom Preissing and Andrew Peters.
GO SHARKS GO |
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Guest7792
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Posted - 06/30/2010 : 15:26:20
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| HEY f***TARDS WHERE IS THE SOURCE ON ALL THESE? I COUDL EASILY COME UP WIT BULLs*** RUMORS LIKE IGINLA FOR WHEELER AND KREJCI (WTF?) SERIOUSLY THIS IS GAYSAUCE UNLESS IT HAS SOURCES POSTED. |
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1530 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2010 : 19:30:05
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According to Pierre LeBrun (who is pretty reputable), the Leafs have acquired Kris Versteeg and the rights to Bill Sweatt for Viktor Stablerg, Chris DiDomnico and Philippe Paradis.
Versteeg is another winger who can score. He isn't overly big, but he has good scoring prowess. I love this move, considering what we gave up, and getting another scoring winger is fantastic. I still would like that big top 6 winger the Leafs desperately need, but right now I'm ecstatic !!
Thoughts?
EDIT: TSN, the most reputable hockey name in the business, has confirmed this deal. Versteeg is a Leaf for sure :) |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/30/2010 : 22:06:53
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| Leafsfan, its a good pickup for sure, I think Versteeg was on a lot of team's radars. |
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