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Alex116
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 Posted - 06/30/2010 : 23:35:17
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| Personally, not a big fan of Versteeg, but still think it's a good trade for the Leafs. Can't really go wrong picking up a 20 goal guy who's still pretty young. |
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redneck76ca
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 01:46:22
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Originally posted by Alex116
Personally, not a big fan of Versteeg, but still think it's a good trade for the Leafs. Can't really go wrong picking up a 20 goal guy who's still pretty young.
Picking up Versteeg was a great move by Burke. He may not be a 40 goal scorer but I would be surprised to see him push 30 this year with more playing time. He is a great skater and a solid two way forward who can be used in all situations. The one question mark is can he produce on a much less talented Leafs team? Only time will tell. The Leafs are looking more and more like a playoff bound team in the next season or two. Not good for my Habs. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 06:08:44
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I really like this move that Burke did, although I don't see Versteeg as a 30 goal guy with the Leafs. Here is the issue.
TO had one 30 goal guy last year in Kessel. Then, 3 other players with more than 10 goal. One of those guys was Dion Phaneuf who had all but one of his goals in a Flames jersey. Even looking at the Leafs who were traded last year (Stajan, Ponikarovsky, Hagman) there still was no other 30 goal guy.
Versteeg played much of last year between the 2nd and 3rd lines. Although he did not play much with Toews and Kane, one has to admit that Versteeg did play with higher quality players. He had 20 goals last year, not 30.
Finally, people throw 30 goal season around like they are candy. Did you know that last season there were just 23 players in the entire NHL that had 30 goals??? Further to that, there were only 5 teams in the league that had more than 1-30 goal scorer on their roster (San Jose, Washington, Philly, Van, and NJ). I would also question Jersey as Kovalchuk spent most of the year in the ATL.
So it appears that the odds are against having a 2nd 30 goal guy on TO and if I had to pick one guy that was going to get 30+, it would be Kessel.
That being said, I still like the pick up. I don't think Burke sold the farm and he gets a very solid player who can play on the other side of Kessel and can play on both the PP and PK.
Unless that deal for Savard comes through, no way Kessel and Versteeg get 30 each. |
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Guest4776
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 07:16:06
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| IM PUMPED FIRST LINE VERSTEEG BOZAK KESSEL, HERE COMES THE CUP BABY |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 07:33:25
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just herd Dan Ellis on the Team 990 here in montreal and he said and i quote "if i get the offer i want 100% i will sign in Montreal" well heres hoping because after hearing how well spoken he is and just what kind of player and maturity level he seems to have i really think he would be the ideal Goalie for this market
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 08:38:14
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Versteeg looks like a decent pick-up, and Chicago at the very least gets a player in Stahlberg who might have the potential for similar numbers to Versteeg in the future.
I personally am not unhappy to Stahlberg go, as he doesn't look like he has the skill to reach 20 goal seasons, and he was a defensive liability. Versteeg is yet another young guy who has a couple of seasons under his belt to show us he can score for sure, but I honestly don't know him well enough to say if he has 30 goal potential or not.
You are forgetting Beans that some players play better with less talented linemates so that they can create the offence (see: Stajan). So who knows . . . but in any case, Versteeg isn't going to be a third liner at all on this team, he is destined for at least the second line, so I have to think that is a great chance to increase his numbers.
About 30 goal guys . . . yeah, you have a point Beans, and the last time the Leafs had two 30-goal guys was Mogilny and Sundin in 02/03. But with a playmaking center or another top6 scorer potentially added to the mix via a trade with Kaberle, the Leafs could have a chance . . . and I really think highly of Kadri and his chances to be a player of that calibre (to score 30 goals).
So yeah, I am happy about Versteeg, nothing more, nothing less. Keep at it Burke!
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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Guest2772
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 09:23:40
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| Gonchar signs with Ottawa for 4 years 5.5mil per year |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 09:24:44
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Originally posted by slozo
So yeah, I am happy about Versteeg, nothing more, nothing less. Keep at it Burke!"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Def don't think Burke is done. I'm guessing he's still after another top 6 forward. No way Burke doesn't do his best to improve the Leafs and make every attempt possible to make that Bruins pick next year as low as possible! |
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 09:26:10
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Originally posted by Guest2772
Gonchar signs with Ottawa for 4 years 5.5mil per year
I don't think anyone expected this one!!
I guess this is Murray's way to cover for Volchenkov leaving. Obviously shifting from a defensive to an offensive focus. I sure like the idea of a Gonchar-Phillips pairing. That may be one of the most balanced defensive pairing in the league.
Murray pulls these deals out of his butt that no one expected. I like this deal for Ottawa. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 09:26:52
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Originally posted by Pasty7
just herd Dan Ellis on the Team 990 here in montreal and he said and i quote "if i get the offer i want 100% i will sign in Montreal" well heres hoping because after hearing how well spoken he is and just what kind of player and maturity level he seems to have i really think he would be the ideal Goalie for this market
Pasty
Pasty, what i wonder is how many teams out there would Ellis be the guaranteed #1? I think coming into a situation like Montreal would be an ideal one for a guy like this. Until Price proves he can carry the load, that spot is somewhat up for grabs. I'm sure Price will be given every opportunity to win the starter spot but if he falters this season, at the very least, Ellis would likely get half the starts? |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 09:28:26
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Gochar just sined 3 year 5.5 million $ deal wioth the Sens and Biron a deal with the rangers,
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 09:31:26
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by Guest2772
Gonchar signs with Ottawa for 4 years 5.5mil per year
I don't think anyone expected this one!!
I guess this is Murray's way to cover for Volchenkov leaving. Obviously shifting from a defensive to an offensive focus. I sure like the idea of a Gonchar-Phillips pairing. That may be one of the most balanced defensive pairing in the league.
Murray pulls these deals out of his butt that no one expected. I like this deal for Ottawa.
All the rumours seemed to point towards Zybenek (sp?) Michalek going to Ottawa to play with his brother Milan? Kept reading all week about this and now they've gone to Gonchar? Have they got enough cap space / money to get him as well? He'd def fill in more for the potential loss of Volchenkov than Gonchar will?
Still, a good pickup in Gonchar, but personally, i think they gave him too long of a term. Rumour was that Pitts offered him a 2 year deal, he wanted 5 but countered at 3 and they said no. Wonder if Ott couldn't have got him at 3? Seems like a lot of money, but he is still a pretty good offensive dman and Ottawa could use the help there. |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 09:32:21
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Originally posted by Alex116
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Originally posted by Pasty7
just herd Dan Ellis on the Team 990 here in montreal and he said and i quote "if i get the offer i want 100% i will sign in Montreal" well heres hoping because after hearing how well spoken he is and just what kind of player and maturity level he seems to have i really think he would be the ideal Goalie for this market
Pasty
Pasty, what i wonder is how many teams out there would Ellis be the guaranteed #1? I think coming into a situation like Montreal would be an ideal one for a guy like this. Until Price proves he can carry the load, that spot is somewhat up for grabs. I'm sure Price will be given every opportunity to win the starter spot but if he falters this season, at the very least, Ellis would likely get half the starts?
Personally my sales pitch to Ellis is its your job to lose and that he is my opening day starter and my plan is to split the season 51 to 31 ,, Ellis being the 51 starts,, lets face it Ellis is the better goalie right now its his job to lose... thats how i see it
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 09:38:48
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Any idea what sort of contract he's looking for? If there's concern, would he sign a 1 year deal? Or would Montreal offer that to see what they have in him and see where they're at in a year?
Here in Van, we continue to get guys on 1 year deals to back up Luongo? This coming season it appears as though Schneider will finally be more or less handed the backup role as they wanna give him a shot in the bigs to see what they have in him as far as a future starter or trade bait. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 09:39:54
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Tanguay back to Calgary!!
Don't know what you got until it's gone. For a team who couldn't find the back of the net last year, a 1 year shot at Tanguay for less than $2 million is an awesome deal.
Let's not forget that this guy's last PPG season was in Calgary along with Iginla. At 30, he's still got young enough legs and if Sutter will let him play, I see this a step up for the Flames.
(PS - I am super bored for the next hour and a half. Expect commentary on every signing) |
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Guest2772
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 09:40:50
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| Alex Tanguay resigns with Calgary. No terms disclosed |
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 09:42:05
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Originally posted by Guest2772
Alex Tanguay resigns with Calgary. No terms disclosed
TSN is reporting $1.7 million for 1 year.
Use this link, TSN.ca has awesome coverage. Possibly the best in the business.
http://tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=25880 |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 09:55:27
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So who knows . . . but in any case, Versteeg isn't going to be a third liner at all on this team, he is destined for at least the second line, so I have to think that is a great chance to increase his numbers.
Its also a great chance for him to face some stiffer checking. One of the advantages of playing 2nd and 3rd line in CHI was that you never faced the opposition top checking lines. Versteeg will certainly move into top 6 with TOR, and will be expected to get 20g/50pts next year. It will be a different role for him in TOR than it was in CHI.
All that being said, I still think this is a good pickup for TOR - we'll see how he does next year and the year after that (before his contract expires).
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if i get the offer i want 100% i will sign in Montreal
Patsy, sadly I don't think MTL can make that offer. MTL can only be offering him backup duty with the possibility of starting if Price crumbles. There are other teams in the NHL that will be looking for someone who can tandem, or even be #1 starter.
I'll be surprised if Ellis signs in MTL. But hey, who could have seen Gonchar coming...
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Tanguay back to Calgary!!
Beans, I too am bored and watching the TSN free agent frenzy...
I like Tanguay to CGY - when players struggle, its always good to go back to where you had success. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 10:13:58
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Zbynek Michalek to PIT for 5yr/20M. I don't know much about him, is he worth 4M/year?
If he is, what does this do to the potential value of Hamhuis and Volchenkov, and Martin? |
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irvine
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 10:15:02
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LOL, we see the opposite...
Gonchar to Ottawa...
and now Zbynek Michalek signs with the Pens for 5 years, $20M
Irvine/prez. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 10:15:16
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Although not a UFA, St. Louis will all but finish his career in TB with a 4 year extension ($22.5 million total).
Few players have been as consistant than St. Louis. Don't quote me but I believe he has been in the top 10 in scoring in all but 1 or 2 of the last 7 years. He is one of the few(10-15) players in the league that is a legitimate PPG player and has some good years left in him.
Great signing for Stevie Y. Now, what is he going to do with Lecavalier(if anything)?? |
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irvine
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 10:17:40
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I like what Z. Michalek brings to the table. $4M per is fair value (for Free Agency), as we often see guys slightly overpaid on July 1 during the bidding.
He is a well rounded defencemen, with the focus more so on the defensive side. He's not going to be a big, noticable guy every night. But, with that being said, that's a good thing.
Because he doesn't have a ton of defensive lapses. He will do what he is supposed to, without the flash. He's a pretty good defencemen.
Irvine/prez. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 10:24:53
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Originally posted by irvine
LOL, we see the opposite...
Gonchar to Ottawa...
and now Zbynek Michalek signs with the Pens for 5 years, $20M
Irvine/prez.
Huge drop in production in the back end for Pitt. They sure better hope that Goligoski and Letang can find some kind of offense or they are not done. I bet they are still working on Hamhuis and going to do a offense and defence from the back end by committee. Kinda like Buffalo. No one brilliant but everyone solid.
They are not done and the Z .Michalek signing is a surprise to me. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 10:33:07
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Alex Auld in Montreal??? Really??
Price Deal??
Ellis not signing??
3 goalies is never a good thing. This is just baffling??? Didn't Montreal just solve and issue by moving Halak out and they compound it by adding not one but 2 goalies to the fold??
Weird. |
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Guest9262
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 10:35:44
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| Toronto signs Colby Armstrong.He is definately a Burke type player |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 10:47:00
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Alex Auld in Montreal??? Really??
Price Deal??
Ellis not signing??
3 goalies is never a good thing. This is just baffling??? Didn't Montreal just solve and issue by moving Halak out and they compound it by adding not one but 2 goalies to the fold??
Weird.
Not weird - I don't think Ellis is signing in MTL, and they got Auld instead. They need a veteran backup, someone that can support Price, but it was obvious when they traded Halak that they want Price to start, and at worst tandem. Ellis wants to be a starter
I think Ellis and Mason will be highly sought after as cheap starting alternatives to Turco and Nabby. TB, SJ, PHI, all want that kind of option. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 10:47:43
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| take SJ off that list, they have apparently signed Niitymaki. Definitely not the direction I thought they would take. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 10:48:27
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| yep, TO signs Armstrong, 3yr/9M. Signing everything except what they need the most, a centre. |
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irvine
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 10:50:42
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Armstrong is overpaid @ $3M per to me.
He's a Burke type player, sure. But he's a 3rd Liner at best. In Toronto, he may see 2nd line minutes. But, just because a guy may see 2nd Line minutes on a team due to weakness, doesn't mean you pay him like he's an actual 2nd line player.
To me, he has been paid $1M more than his overall worth. In fact, i'd sign him @ no more than $1.5M.
But, that's me.
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irvine
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 10:51:31
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Malhotra to Vancouver.
3 years @ 7.5M. No Trade clause.
Irvine/prez. |
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 10:54:40
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I like the Armstrong signing. It might be a bit too much, but it is good value to what Armstrong brings. At the very least we can expect him to be an effective player.
I am really sad at the Malholtra signing, I really wanted the Leafs to sign him. But 2.5 mil/year is defiitely a bit overpriced for his services.
Still, two good signings. They won't put up the points like other players, but they will do the little things every team loves. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 10:57:10
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wow. the Malhotra deal is a bit surprising, I didn't think VAN was looking to fill that position via UFA...
EDIT - and I'm not the only one thinking that. TSN is speculating that this signing (and NTC) spells the end of Hodgeson in the VAN system. With our top 3 centre positions filled longterm, where does a player like him fit in? |
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irvine
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 10:58:52
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Derek Morris signs (possibly), a 4 year extension in Phoenix worth $11M.
Valuable re-sign in my opinion for Phoenix.
Irvine/prez. |
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Beans15
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Canada
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 11:00:11
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If Armstrong at $3 million a year is an overpay, Malhotra just won the friggin lotto!! Are you kidding?? $2.5 million a year for 30ish points a year??? Wow.
Wonder if Nittymaki is actually SJ's #1 or if they are still going after a Turco or Mason?? |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 11:02:54
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Are you kidding?? $2.5 million a year for 30ish points a year??? Wow.
Yeah, its a bit of a surprising deal all around. No doubt the 2.5M is based on more intagibles than 30 pts a year, and he's a tough durable player to centre that third line.
Still, not what I expected. But, in Gillis we trust. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 11:03:46
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| I am perplexed by Nitty to SJ. Are they really going with him as a starter, or do they play to tandem him and Griess? Or is Griess out and they'll bring in Turco or Ellis or Mason. |
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irvine
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 11:08:41
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Dan Ellis to Tampa Bay. (Details unknown)
Irvine/prez. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 11:10:11
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| Ellis to TB, not surprising. That is a team where he will get the deal he wants - potential starting role |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 11:11:26
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| BTW, the Nittymaki deal is 2yr/4M, so SJ is paying him as more than a backup. I'm thinking they plan a tandem situation with Greiss perhaps. Good call to go cheap in goal though. |
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irvine
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 11:21:52
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Toronto moves again.
This time Joey Crabb (2 way deal)
Irvine/prez. |
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