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irvine
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 Posted - 07/01/2010 : 11:24:05
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Ellis deal is done. 2 year deal, $1.5M per.
Irvine/prez. |
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 11:31:01
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Paul Martin to Penguins? WOW!
Both Martin and Michalek. Stacking up the D.
Irvine/prez. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 11:32:39
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Originally posted by irvine
Paul Martin to Penguins? WOW!
Both Martin and Michalek. Stacking up the D.
Irvine/prez.
Looks like they're gonna have to do what Beans suggested and do a D by committe ala Buffalo? No way they can still add Hamhuis now can they???
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 11:42:37
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Ellis 2 years at 1.5? And Montreal couldn't get this guy signed? Wow, he must really have demanded the starting role! Good for him, a great signing by Yzerman.
Nuxfan, i don't know if i agree with the thoughts that the Hodgson era is over (already) in Vancouver. My first thoughts were that they plan on fast tracking him to the second line and hope for some chemistry with him and Kesler, moving Kesler back to the wing where he played briefly with Sundin? If that'd not the plan, then i really don't understand the Malhotra signing at all?
Michalek to Pitty, seems a little expensive for what he brings but then when there's not a lot available, teams tend to overpay. IMO, he's worth 3.2-3.5?
St. Louis resigning in TBay is another great signing by Stevie Y. As Beans pointed out, can't find someone much more consistent than this guy!
Armstrong, yeah, prob slightly overpaid but overall a good signing by the Leafs. May be able to fit into the top six there? Down side is he's more of a guy you look at his intangibles as he's not a huge point producer. Even with ample time with Sid the Kid, he never really found the offensive touch i think the Pens' were expecting.
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 11:47:54
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Martin confirmed. 5 years @ $5M per in Pittsburgh.
Irvine/prez. |
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1315 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2010 : 11:49:52
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The Penguins have added two new Defenders to the line up. Totalling $9Mil per season!
What else is in store before next year in Pittsburgh?
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 12:02:27
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Originally posted by irvine
Martin confirmed. 5 years @ $5M per in Pittsburgh.
Irvine/prez.
Wow! Speaking of lottery winners..... IMO, that's simply too much money for this guy. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 12:06:47
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by Guest2772
Gonchar signs with Ottawa for 4 years 5.5mil per year
I don't think anyone expected this one!!
I guess this is Murray's way to cover for Volchenkov leaving. Obviously shifting from a defensive to an offensive focus. I sure like the idea of a Gonchar-Phillips pairing. That may be one of the most balanced defensive pairing in the league.
Murray pulls these deals out of his butt that no one expected. I like this deal for Ottawa.
It's being reported that it is in fact just 3 years at 5.5. That makes this deal much better for Ottawa imo.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=326242 |
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 12:07:53
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Yes, it is 3 years @ $5.5 M for Gonchar (in OTT)
Irvine/prez. |
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Guest2962
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 13:11:03
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Henrick Tallinder signs with the devils 4-year 13.5 million
Ollie Jokinen might be going back to Calgary???? Not sure what calgary is thinking about on that one..... |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 13:14:08
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Hamhuis to the Canucks, all but a done deal! I can only imagine what we're gonna be paying him (haven't heard yet) but assuming Mitchell and likely Bieksa going, they did say they were gonna make big changes on D!
ETA.... Looks like it's 4.5/year for 6 years? Apparently he gave a "hometown discount" as other teams, including the Flyers, offered more money! Always nice to have a guy on your team who absolutely wants to be there!!!
At 4.5, i'm more than happy with this signing!
*NOTE....not official yet, but should be soon.... |
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Alex116
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 13:15:15
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Originally posted by Guest2962
Henrick Tallinder signs with the devils 4-year 13.5 million
Ollie Jokinen might be going back to Calgary???? Not sure what calgary is thinking about on that one.....
Nice deal for the Dev's, i think he's a very underrated guy and will fill the gap left by Martin's departure, and at a cheaper price!
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 13:19:24
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Kurtis Foster to the Oilers, 2 year 3.6M contract. Awesome signing for the Oil IMO. He was a guy who was on my wish list and at under 2M / yr, would have been a great fit!!
Beans, what's your take on this? |
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Nucks07
Top Prospect
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 13:26:35
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Originally posted by Alex116
Hamhuis to the Canucks, all but a done deal! I can only imagine what we're gonna be paying him (haven't heard yet) but assuming Mitchell and likely Bieksa going, they did say they were gonna make big changes on D!
ETA.... Looks like it's 4.5/year for 6 years? Apparently he gave a "hometown discount" as other teams, including the Flyers, offered more money! Always nice to have a guy on your team who absolutely wants to be there!!!
At 4.5, i'm more than happy with this signing!
*NOTE....not official yet, but should be soon....
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Im stoked for this signing Hamhuis for 4.5 million a year for 6 years he took a hometown discount thats for sure, but with this signing looks like willie mitchell is gone and most likely trading Keving Bieksa. Im still not sure about the Malholtra signing I think its to much money and also giving hime a no trade clause :-S I guess will see what happens |
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Nucks07
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 13:28:05
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Nucks07
Top Prospect
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 13:37:00
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Ollie Jokinen might be going back to Calgary???? Not sure what calgary is thinking about on that one.....
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Ollie jokinen is back in Calgary for 2 years at 3million a year... what are they doing in calgary?? Im sure most flames fans are pulling some hair out right now |
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Guest4776
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 13:39:23
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 14:12:23
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LOVE the Foster pick up. 40 pt defender, 6'5" for less than $2 million a season. Brilliant.
No disrespect to Hamhuis(I was wrong on that one by the way ) but how does he get paid more than "Mr. I lead the league in blocked shots, am one of the top 5 defensive defenders in the game, and I put up 20ish points a year" Anton Volchenkov?? I mean Hamhuis is a quality player but c'mon, he's a #2 or #3 defensemen, not a #1.
Seriously, Vancouver wanted him so much it's sick. Overpay to me, big time. Or Volchenkov really wanted to go to Jersey?? I wonder if Kovalchuk will resign there and Volchenkov went there to play with him??
And what in the world is with Montreal and goalies?? No Ellis so they sign Auld AND Sanford today?? |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 14:46:01
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No disrespect to Hamhuis(I was wrong on that one by the way) but how does he get paid more than "Mr. I lead the league in blocked shots, am one of the top 5 defensive defenders in the game, and I put up 20ish points a year" Anton Volchenkov?? I mean Hamhuis is a quality player but c'mon, he's a #2 or #3 defensemen, not a #1.
Seriously, Vancouver wanted him so much it's sick. Overpay to me, big time. Or Volchenkov really wanted to go to Jersey?? I wonder if Kovalchuk will resign there and Volchenkov went there to play with him??
He gets paid more because he has offensive upside that Volchenkov does not. Both are great physical defencemen that play lots of minutes, but Volly will never be an offensive powerhouse - 20 points is probably the most you'll get out of him ever. There is only so much money out there for stay-at-home dmen, and he's the premier one in that group.
I like Hamhuis at that contract length as well - Gillis is sure looking to lock up key people for longer periods of time, which I think is great. The Canucks have the finances to bury a bad contract in the minors if need be, so there is not a lot of downside if something should go horribly wrong with one of the long term deals.
My gut tells me that Volchenkov went looking for more money but could not find the 5m/year that had been rumoured - by that time all the teams that were interested in him initially went in other directions. Its not like he's making much less than Hamhuis (4.2 vs 4.5), but I prefer Hamhuis to Volchenkov for the Canucks. NJD had to sign someone to fill the void left by Paul Martin, so a good landing for him.
I also like the Foster deal for EDM, although I'm surprised that it was the best deal he could get - he has lots of offensive upside, and although not spectacular defensively he can hold his own. I would have thought more than one team would line up to give him 3M per season.
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Ollie jokinen is back in Calgary for 2 years at 3million a year... what are they doing in calgary?? Im sure most flames fans are pulling some hair out right now
now there is one I don't understand. 3m/year for Olli? And BACK IN CGY no less. That'll be an interesting one. |
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Nucks07
Top Prospect
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 14:51:27
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Ya I dont know why Volchenkov only signed for 4.25 million a year he could of got way more. I thought he would sign for like 5-5.5 million at least.
I want to know what the flyers and other teams offered Hamhuis cause it was way more than 4.5 million thats for sure. The Foster pickup was really good thats one guy I hoped the Nucks would sign.
Canucks sign Jeff Tambellini... Saku Koivu resigns with the ducks 2 year extension |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 14:56:10
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Originally posted by Beans15
LOVE the Foster pick up. 40 pt defender, 6'5" for less than $2 million a season. Brilliant.
No disrespect to Hamhuis(I was wrong on that one by the way) but how does he get paid more than "Mr. I lead the league in blocked shots, am one of the top 5 defensive defenders in the game, and I put up 20ish points a year" Anton Volchenkov?? I mean Hamhuis is a quality player but c'mon, he's a #2 or #3 defensemen, not a #1.
Seriously, Vancouver wanted him so much it's sick. Overpay to me, big time. Or Volchenkov really wanted to go to Jersey?? I wonder if Kovalchuk will resign there and Volchenkov went there to play with him??
And what in the world is with Montreal and goalies?? No Ellis so they sign Auld AND Sanford today??
Beans, i think the Oilers "stole" Foster and i'd love to hear what other offers were thrown his way and why so many other GM's must have had little or no interest in him??? I'm baffled. At the dollars being thrown around, i'm totally shockey he's not being paid in the 2.5 / yr range?
As for Hamhuis, if he's being overpaid, in today's market, it's only very slightly. Let's face it, he was the most sought after defenseman out there today, moreso than Volchenkov in most peoples eyes, likely because of his offensive upside. He's played behind Weber and Suter in Nashville so rarely got pp time. Volchenkov is more of a 15ish points a year guy, not really 20ish. Hamhuis avg's over 25 PPY for his career and that's with minimal PP time. I'm not saying he's gonna light it up for the Canucks and be the next Paul Coffey, but a 35-40pt season on a high scoring team like the Canucks is very possible. Mix that with his defensive game and i really don't think this guy is overpaid in the current market. There's confirmation that other teams were offering more, what would you think then? Not to mention, Paul Martin got more from Pittsburgh. Is he worth that much? |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 15:06:34
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| Call me crazy, but at 3M a season, i don't have a problem with the Flames signing of Olli Jokinen. That's not bad money for a second line center who not too long ago was over a point per game guy. Sure, his play has been uninspired of late, but if the Flames can find the right guys to play with him, he could be a 70+ point guy still. Scouting report on him says he's a centerman who shoots more often than most so he needs the right kind of winger, not just a sniper. |
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Guest2748
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 15:26:49
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| Is it just me or did Buffalo really take it in the chin today. They lost Lydman and Tallander today. Didn't here if they signed anyone to replace them. Good thing they have Myers. Was hearing they might have interest in Kaberle. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2010 : 15:33:05
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I don't think the Oilers "stole' Foster. He still is a guy who missed nearly an entire season breaking his leg going back for an icing and getting taking into the boards. Also, one season getting 40 points as the #1 defensemen on a weak team is not end all be all.
He must have wanted to come. He will definately get a chance to play top 3 minutes with Whitney and Gilbert(if and when they move Souray).
Check this out
Edmonton's Potential Top 6 Defensemen
Whitney - 6'3" - 210 lbs
Gilbert - 6'3" - 206 lbs
Foster - 6'5" - 220 lbs
Smid - 6'3" - 226 lbs
Vandermeer - 6'1" - 210 lbs
Peckham - 6'2" - 223 lbs
Now that is a big but still very mobile defensive unit. More than likely on the bottom 1/2 of the league if offensive output but top 1/2 defensively as a group and definitely one of the biggest in the NHL.
You want to rebuild a team, protect your young(smaller) players, and make your self a tough team to play against, build a defense like this!!
You know what's even better, that group of 6 defenders is a total cap hit of around $14 million. Find a better defensive group for that value in the NHL today.
Well done Tambellini!! The rebuild is looking very nice. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
410 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2010 : 16:24:15
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Originally posted by Guest2748
Is it just me or did Buffalo really take it in the chin today. They lost Lydman and Tallander today. Didn't here if they signed anyone to replace them. Good thing they have Myers. Was hearing they might have interest in Kaberle.
They got Jordan Leopold I believe according to TSN's Free Agent Frenzy.
GO SHARKS GO |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
410 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2010 : 16:27:17
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Here is some...
Savard to Calgary,Calgary to announce something good soon.
Saku Koivu re-signs with Ducks for 2 years.
Andrew Raycroft signs with Dallas 2 years.
Matt Cullen to Minnesota for 3 years.
GO SHARKS GO |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 17:25:32
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Originally posted by Beans15
I don't think the Oilers "stole' Foster. He still is a guy who missed nearly an entire season breaking his leg going back for an icing and getting taking into the boards. Also, one season getting 40 points as the #1 defensemen on a weak team is not end all be all.
Maybe "stole" isn't the right word, but i still maintain that it's a damn good deal for Edm. At 1.8M per, he needn't be a #1 dman. At those dollars, he can be your 4th or 5th and fit as far as salary goes! Not bad for a guy who could challenge for a top 3 spot on D! |
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polishexpress
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 20:34:08
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Still, will Souray really be out from Edm? Who is willing to take on his salary and his issues (attitude, injuries etc.), without sending a bad apple back?
Honestly, I think every GM will be very wary of taking on Souray, especially when he goes public with wanting a trade. Even if his reasons were legitimate, airing dirty laundry publicly never bodes well for future employment.
I think Edmonton should make him play out his contract. But that's just my opinion. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 22:31:18
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I think Edmonton should make him play out his contract. But that's just my opinion.
I really don't think there is any way that EDM can let him stay, after what was said last year - ie, its not about money. He has to go, the distraction to the rest of the team would be insane. If EDM needs to take on another team's problem in return, so be it. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 22:35:54
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This one didn't get reported today...apparently NYR signed Booregard to a 4yr deal worth 1.65 per year. Yes, thats right - 1.65 PER YEAR, for 4 whole years, for Booregard.
I take back my assertion that CGY re-picking up Jokinen was the weirdest move of the day, this beats everything. |
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 07/02/2010 : 07:45:31
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Yeah, the Rangers did in fact sign Derek Boogard to a 4 year deal. Worth $1.67M per season.
Pretty penny for a guy with 2 goals since 04-05 (if i recall correctly).
Yes, he's pretty tough guy who will help protect Gaborik and others. (in fact, he and Gaborik played together in Minny)... so perhaps Mr. Gaborik had a say in this deal, since no one stood up for him last season, when Carcillo faught him.
It is a big over payment, and too long of a contract.
Irvine/prez. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 07/02/2010 : 08:08:32
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Boogyman gets 1.67? I definitely chose the wrong career! 
That's crazy money for a goon / enforcer, i don't care how big or how tough he is! |
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/02/2010 : 08:45:40
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Souray was not a distraction to the Oilers at all and they have said that. Tambellini and Quinn(at the time) both said they would take Souray back if he is interested in play and he has recently gone on record as saying if the Oilers can not make a solid move involving him that he will be at training camp in Edmonton ready to play.
Totally off base that he is an issue. That being said, he is obviously not in the Oilers plans. Not saying anything about his health because it is still up in the air. However, in the past 4 seasons he has been healthy for 2. Those 2 seasons of 81 games he had 26 and 23 goals respectively. That's in Mike Green's world of numbers.
I would suggest that there are teams that will take that risk to have one of the top 3 PP scoring defensemen in the NHL today. Souray has also told the media that he is willing to open his medical history to any team interested so he has the faith he is good to go.
If he gets hurt this year, a one year buyout next year is not that painful for most any team. I still believe he gets traded but the value is not going to be great. Either marginal talent or another contract for an underachieving player. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/02/2010 : 09:09:14
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Beans, if Souray is still with EDM at the beginning of the season, it will be an issue. The fact that he was injured and didn't play another game with EDM after the words last year probably helped to stave it off, but once he's back in the locker room and lineup, it will be an issue. Players these days cannot criticize management to the extent that he did, and expect to remain with the same team.
No one doubts his skill level and ability to score, should he stay healthy, and I think EDM will find a taker for him in the summer. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/02/2010 : 09:15:49
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Nuxfan, I think you are missing that prior to the end of the year that Souray met with Lowe, Kambellini, and Quinn and cleared the air. There was no ill-will at the end of the season from either party.
It great how the media selectively reports. You may have not heard that story. Although I bet you heard a ton of stories on all the negative stuff that Souray was talking about, right?? I bet you didn't hear much on Hemsky's comments at the end of the year towards management did you?? If you did, I bet you would think he was a cancer too.
UPDATE - I not longer trust anything Tambellini says to the media. Souray is on waivers.
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/02/2010 : 10:32:35
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So what is the big uproar about Jokinen's deal?? I mean, he's not putting up the 90ish point that was expected out of him when he signed his $6 million a season contract. However, he has put up 50+ points in the past two season.
1/2 the production of a $6 million players is what??? I would say around $3 million, right??
I would actually think he is getting less that what he is worth. Think about Matt Cullen, who had fewer points than Jokinen last season, has never had any kind of production in his entire career that Jokinen had last year, is smaller and older and he gets more money??
Drop the baggage people, Jokinen at $3 million can nearly be called a steal.
Tanguay, as well, at $1.7 million is a solid deal.
Who cares if they played in Calgary before.
Bottom line, Calgary just picked up 2-Top 6 forwards for less than $5 million a season. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/02/2010 : 10:47:37
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UPDATE - I not longer trust anything Tambellini says to the media. Souray is on waivers.
I reiterate - EDM will do anything the can to ensure that Souray is not in an Oiler uniform in September. I don't know if he'll get picked up on waivers, but someone will likely take a flyer on re-entry waivers at half price. EDM has more an enough cap room to eat half his salary, so all should end well.
In regards to the press - in Vancouver we didn't hear too much about Souray after the initial outburst, as he was injured and EDM wasn't a factor in the playoff run, so I don't think there is a press bias, at least outside EDM. Its just what he said was so damaging to the credibility of management, in both their handling of the team and him personally - and in the public forum - that there was no conceivable way he could come back from that. Tambo might not have gone to the press with his thoughts, and put on a brave face, but I would think only to help facilitate a trade in the offseason.
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So what is the big uproar about Jokinen's deal??
Right or wrong, I think its very hard for a team to bring someone back that left a sour taste in their mouths - regardless of the player or quality of the player. Jokinen was derided all year last year in CGY, and was pretty much run out of town as the posterboy for FAIL. So to bring him back, even at a reduced salary, is a questionable move optics-wise. Jokinen pretty much has to get 90pts next year, just for Flames fans to feel like they got value over his tenure with the team. And he's not going to do that. How could he not be completely pissed about that.
Sometimes a team has to move on and forwards. CGY didn't do that with either of these signings.
I guess a good comparison would be EDM resigning Pronger as a UFA - how would you feel about that? Or in VAN, like bringing Bertuzzi back (although there is different baggage there). Hard for the fans to get excited about that. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/02/2010 : 13:27:06
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Pronger is a bad example as I would be happy to see him an Oiler again. He was top notch on the ice and as a leader of the team. His issues had nothing to do with management or the team, it was the City and his personal life.
Players going back to a former team is not as huge of a deal as so many people make it out to me. Using Jokinen as an example, they were disappointed in paying $6 million a season and getting 50 points a season. However, if they were paying him $3 million for that, he would have never left.
The thing with the Jokinen thing is that they traded him but kept nothing involved in that trade(Higgins and Kotalik) and it's going to end up costing them money in buying out Kotalik.
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
410 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2010 : 13:52:19
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SOURAY ON WAIVERS
GO SHARKS GO |
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Deaner
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 07/02/2010 : 14:17:07
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