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Beans15
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 Posted - 07/02/2010 : 16:52:17
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Originally posted by Deaner
any word on kovalchuk??
Don't hold your breath. If a team is going to sink $9+ million a year into a player, he is the corner stone and the player you want to build your team around.
Is that Kovalchuk???
Doubtful.
I hear LA is still interested as is New Jersey. |
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 07/02/2010 : 17:51:18
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A few new signings today:
Nashville Predators ink Matthew Lombardi to a 3-year, $10.5M dollar contract. ($3.5M per year).
Lombardi will likely Center the Preds top line.
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Nikolai Kulemin has agreed to stay in Toronto. Burke signed the 23 year-old to a 2-year, $4.7 Million dollar deal. ($ 2.35M per year).
This helps with Toronto's top 6 of young players for the rebuilding process. Kulemin has much to prove still, but he has the upside and is still only 23.
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The TBL have agreed to terms on bringing back Defencmen Pavel Kubina. The Lightning inked him to 2-years, $7.7M. ($ 3.85M per year).
Kubina should help bring some stability to the backend in Tampa.
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The Florida Panthers have inked former Canadiens forward, Chris Higgins. Higgins has agreed to a 1-year deal, worth $1.6 Million.
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 07/03/2010 : 14:33:37
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Don't hold your breath. If a team is going to sink $9+ million a year into a player, he is the corner stone and the player you want to build your team around.
Is that Kovalchuk???
Doubtful.
When the talk goes to huge contract for a questionable player, its usually not long before NYI enters the fray, and sure enough...
Reports out that NYI is prepared to offer Kovy a 10yr/100m contract, and plan to build the team and new arena around him. NYI has the money to do this (they are currently 9m UNDER the salary floor), and hey, they're the Islanders - if someone is going to lock a player up for crazy money and crazy timelines, its them. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 07/03/2010 : 15:36:35
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Also...
word is that Simon Gagne has agreed to waive his NTC, although no particular deal is imminent. Seems PHI is intent on trading him and his contract. |
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Posted - 07/03/2010 : 16:43:25
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Happy about Kulemin, still waiting for the Kaberle trade to be.
Kovalchuk to the Isles? I can see that . . . but unlike most, I think they'd be pretty darn good with a guy like that. With a burgeoning superstar in Tavares as the center to a guy like Kovalchuk . . . they would be a very dangerous team. And, with Kovalchuk and a young Tavares, the Isles would regain some marketing power.
To me it's win-win for both Kovalchuk and the Isles . . . one of the few teams with a great winning history but very little pressure to perform alongside it. He might thrive there.
I also can't believe Jokinen signed with the Flames again . . . he burned them on the first go-around, why do they think he won't burn them again? (pun intended  )
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Alex116
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Posted - 07/04/2010 : 00:44:43
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I'm not "up" on all the cap space and such that teams have nor am i an expert on salaries and stuff but are the Isles really that well set up to take on Kovalchuk? I suppose with no big names aside from Tavares, they must be in decent shape? Even if Tavares is owed a huge raise a few years down the line, i'd venture to guess they've got plenty of room as long as the owner is willing to spend the dough?
Love the Lombardi deal for the Preds! Should help them forget Jason Arnott pretty quickly?
Simon Gagne? Hmmm, will LA take a look at him? THey're always the ones mentioned when the larger salaried players are available either through trade or free agent signing? Can they go after him and still get Kovalchuk? Probably?
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Posted - 07/04/2010 : 08:48:30
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Reportedly, the Islanders are 9 million from the cap FLOOR, actually:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Isles-say-they-re-after-Kovalchuk-max-contract-;_ylt=AhXmUR6fJQcIxu4LFdY7ikR7vLYF?urn=nhl,253327
Yeah, they can fit in Kovie's contract for sure, they could fit in quite a few other players as well!
If it wasn't for Gagne's injury and concussion woes, I'd be all for a trade to get him in a Leafs jersey . . . but at this point, I'd take a pass - a bit too risky in my mind. A great player with top line skills, however, when healthy.
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irvine
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Posted - 07/04/2010 : 16:41:42
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Gagne is a talented forward, no question about that. But every season, injuries hurt him.
As a GM, i'd not be willing to trade much for Gagne. With his big cap hit of over $5M, and his injuries that are certain to come, it's not worth it.
If you can get him cheap, very cheap, than perhaps it's worth the risk. (Not even risk, it's almost certain he'll be injured), but his short term production could help.
Although, his cap takes away from another solid player you could be utilizing. And, you'll likely not get him cheap enough.
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Alex116
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Posted - 07/04/2010 : 17:42:50
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irvine
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Canada
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Posted - 07/04/2010 : 18:48:50
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Tough to say. Kovalchuk at this point is a tough guy to figure out.
Atlanta offered him $10M per for 12 years or something, and he turned that down. So, he's not JUST about the money.
He has some type of motive and idea going on here. But, who knows besides him and his agent. Perhaps, he has a team in mind and is just waiting and hoping they make an offer.
If he goes to a contender, in a City that he likes, I could see him taking $7-8M per year. I really can.
If a team that he really likes doesn't make an offer, he'll likely go to the bigger money on a market he's not too fond of.
I have no idea about Kovy right now. Where he ends up, is beyond me. Since, not many teams are A) capable of spending $10M per year and B) Willing to.
So his options are fairly limited, and yet he has turned down 1 team for certain, perhaps 2 or more already!
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Canada
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Posted - 07/05/2010 : 05:11:12
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Yep the Los Angeles Kings will not sign free agent forward Ilya Kovalchuk.
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 07/05/2010 : 05:13:17
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Simon Gagne could go to Toronto for Giguere.
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Posted - 07/05/2010 : 06:24:18
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Surprising development in most people's minds, Kovalchuk refuses LA's last offer . . . what does Kovalchuk want, really?
One had to think a winning environment, with a team on the rise and a great chance to win the cup in the next few years would be the perfect situation for Kovalchuk (I speak of LA, of course) . . . after all, isn't that why he refused the max contract from Atlanta? It's a real head scratcher . . .
My only conclusion is that Kovalchuk is waiting for a overtures from a team still that hasn't come calling. So what does he want? He doesn't want to get stuck in a backwater like Atlanta, he wants to win (or so he says and so it appears), but doesn't want LA . . . am I crazy in thinking that Kovalchuk wants even more recognition/status than he could get in LA, and wants to come to Toronto, maybe Montreal? Because I cannot think of anything else, other than him having a favourite team elsewhere because of some girlfriend he has there . . . it boggles the mind.
As for Giguere for Gagne . . . I investigated this rumour just now, seems like it's just idle Leaf imaginings at this point. Someone brought up a good point that would nix this right away though - Giggy has a no trade clause, which he waived just to come to Toronto. He likely wouldn't do so again, and Philly could not afford his 6 mil contract anyways. Not happening as far as I can see.
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/05/2010 : 09:25:03
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The questions with Kovalchuk is what was the Kings best offer?? If Wang and the boys on Long Island have publically stated their offer is $100 million/10 years and the ATL deal was $100 million/12 years, that range would/should be the price. Maybe LA is low-balling, or what Kovalchuk perceives as low-balling. No one knows for sure.
I really don't think this guy is all about the money but it's a close second to winning. I also doubt he was willing to take a big pay cut to win. Consider that in the next 2 seasons that LA is going to have to pay both Jack Johnson and Drew Doughty, how much were they willing to sacrifice to lock up Kovalchuk??
If the deal from LA was in the $9 million/year range and Kovalchuk said no, then go to the KHL you greedy jerk. However, if LA's offer was close to $7 million, I don't blame him at all. Say what you will about his defensive game, which we all agree is suspect at best, but he still is the 2nd (or at the worst 3rd) best goal scorer in the game today and is just coming into his prime. If the guys in his class are getting paid (Heatley, Ovechkin, Malkin, Crosby, Hossa, etc) then he should get paid too.
That being said, with the Kings out I fear the guy might sign a year in the KHL just to give a big FU to the NHL GM's. I just can't see the guy going to the Islanders.
But I have also been wrong many, many times in the past.
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 07/05/2010 : 11:57:43
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A report today suggests that Ilya Kovalchuk is close to re-signing with the NJ Devils (It could happen as soon as today.)
The report suggests that Kovalchuk will sign a 7-year, $60 Million contract to remain in the Devils uniform.
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Pasty7
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Canada
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Posted - 07/05/2010 : 12:00:54
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[i]Originally posted by irvine[/i]
[br]A report today suggests that Ilya Kovalchuk is close to re-signing with the NJ Devils (It could happen as soon as today.)
The report suggests that Kovalchuk will sign a 7-year, $60 Million contract to remain in the Devils uniform.
Irvine/prez.
if he does take this contract he is on par with the Crosby's and Ovies of the world and imo he clearly wants to be on a winner if he is chooseing the Devils
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irvine
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Posted - 07/05/2010 : 12:12:17
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The Detroit Red Wings are pursuing Michigan native and future Hall of Famer, Mike Modano.
Modano has yet to make a decision yet as to whether or not he will play next season. Modano, 40, is contemplating retirement.
It does seem like a fit though for Modano, if he does want to continue play next year. The Red Wings are a class organization, who can make a run for the Cup at perhaps, any given season. Something Modano would be interested in, with one under his belt already. Also, Detroit is the local team for Modano. He would be close to home, something I'm sure he would appreciate nearing his retirement.
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redneck76ca
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Posted - 07/05/2010 : 14:05:10
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[i]Originally posted by irvine[/i]
[br]The Detroit Red Wings are pursuing Michigan native and future Hall of Famer, Mike Modano.
Modano has yet to make a decision yet as to whether or not he will play next season. Modano, 40, is contemplating retirement.
It does seem like a fit though for Modano, if he does want to continue play next year. The Red Wings are a class organization, who can make a run for the Cup at perhaps, any given season. Something Modano would be interested in, with one under his belt already. Also, Detroit is the local team for Modano. He would be close to home, something I'm sure he would appreciate nearing his retirement.
Irvine/prez.
I think that Mike Modano would look good in the Red Wing jersey and I believe that he would be a good fit for that team as well. Here's hoping that he plays another year., my favorite American player. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 05:13:18
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Leafs have no interest in Nikolai Zherdev.
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 07:28:42
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Detroit is like the NHLers version of an old age home . . . I don't know if it will ever bite them in the butt, but I agree, Modano playing on a second line there (best case scenario, probably third line) would be ok. He's defensively responsible as a forward, and obviously has played in every situation and can kill penalties, so he is still useful enough I think with diminished minutes to not tire him out and make him look slow.
Kovalchuk with the Devils . . . it may not turn out as bad as some people might think, really. It was a very short "getting to know one another" period when he arrived, and clearly not enough to develop some chemistry with his linemates and a new system. With more time, he may click in there, and in a defensively responsible system like New Jersey's, if Kovalchuk ever found his groove there, any of his defensive lapses would be well covered up.
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 08:54:12
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Carlo Colaiacovo re-signs with St Louis for 2 years $4.25
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 10:57:54
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 11:07:26
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Halak signed in St. Louis for $15 million/4 years ($3.75 million a season).
Not sure if I like the deal, but no way that STL keeps him happy with a shorter or cheaper deal. This will either turn out awesome and Halak continues to progress into an elite goalie or it will turn into Huet and he will be riding the pines soon enough.
Regardless of what he has done recently, we are still talking about a goalie who has never had the sole #1 job for an NHL team. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 12:26:38
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[i]Originally posted by Beans15[/i]
[br]Halak signed in St. Louis for $15 million/4 years ($3.75 million a season).
Not sure if I like the deal, but no way that STL keeps him happy with a shorter or cheaper deal. This will either turn out awesome and Halak continues to progress into an elite goalie or it will turn into Huet and he will be riding the pines soon enough.
Regardless of what he has done recently, we are still talking about a goalie who has never had the sole #1 job for an NHL team.
Yeah Beans, agreed, but really, how much could we have expected? I thought he might get as much as 4M? A little risky only because 3.75 is a little much for a backup if that's where he ends up. I guess StL is confident he'll be their #1? |
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Leafs81
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 13:16:16
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Yeah I think it's fair, also we have to think that now that the salary cap got higher, the salaries are getting a slightly higher. And 3.75 million is not comparable to 5.625 (Huet)
Also Halak played great not just this year but all of his career anywhere he went.
Save percentage in the Q .913
in the AHL .927 .932 and .929
in the ECHL .932
in the NHL .919
NHL playoffs .923
And we all know he did well in the Olympics bringing Slovakia to 4rth place finish.
St Louis probably wont have any cap hit problems soon so to get a starter at this price for a few years is fair. Sure it's a gamble and he could turn into the next Jim Carey, but it's a fair gamble and so far Halak has excelled in every league and it's about time he gets some recognition.
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 07:12:35
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What's the gamble? Halak was a masterful goalie while doing tandem duty with Price, winning the starter position. Between 3 and 4 million is about where an excellent tandem goalie is, no?
And if Halak turns out to be the bonified starter that most predict him to become . . . it's a great deal.
Seems win-win to me, for St Louis, that is.
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 08:59:21
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[i]Originally posted by slozo[/i]
[br]What's the gamble? Halak was a masterful goalie while doing tandem duty with Price, winning the starter position. Between 3 and 4 million is about where an excellent tandem goalie is, no?
And if Halak turns out to be the bonified starter that most predict him to become . . . it's a great deal.
Seems win-win to me, for St Louis, that is.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
In a word, no, $3-$4 million is not where an excellent tandem goalie's salary is. Looking at the entire NHL today, there are only 20 goalies who make more than $3 million a season.
Based on Current NHL Salaries
$5+ Million per season is an elite, #1 goaltender
(this list is Lundqvist, Ward, Miller, Giguere, Backstrom, Kiprusoff, Vokoun, Huet, Luongo, Brodeur, Thomas and Fleury)
$3-$5 million per season is a solid but lesser than elite #1 Keeper
(this list includes Khabibulin, Bryzgalov, Leclaire, DiPietro, Hiller, Lehtonen, Rinne, and now Halak).
Every other keeper in the NHL makes less than $3 million. (Don't bust my chops for some guys getting overpaids like Huet and Thomas. These guys are a perfect example of what happens when a GM pays a goalie based on potential or performance over a short period of time. Sound familiar??)
Consider that what I would call an 'elite' back up or solid tandem type guy would be Roloson ($2.5), Mason ($1.9), Ellis ($1.5), Gustovsson($1.3), or Rask ($1.25) I think Halak's deal is high.
This is much like what I used to call a Kevin Lowe kind of deal. It's all based on 'ifs". "If" Halak is a legitimate #1 keeper in the NHL, he is getting a fair deal. It's only a steal of a deal if he is an elite, top 5-10 keeper in the NHL. However, "if" he does ride the pines for any length of time in the next 4 seasons (specifically the 3rd and 4th years of his deal where he will make $4+million) than it's not a good deal.
My gut tells me it's going to prove a weak contract. More often than not a goalie drops his performance after he signs the big deal. Rarely does he pick up his game.
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 09:34:40
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In a word, no, $3-$4 million is not where an excellent tandem goalie's salary is. Looking at the entire NHL today, there are only 20 goalies who make more than $3 million a season.
Based on Current NHL Salaries
$5+ Million per season is an elite, #1 goaltender
(this list is Lundqvist, Ward, Miller, Giguere, Backstrom, Kiprusoff, Vokoun, Huet, Luongo, Brodeur, Thomas and Fleury)
Pssst Beans, Thomas and Huet were tandem goalies last year.
Lol but no I agree the deal is a little high after one "magical" playoff run but it could end up being a home run for the Blues if Halak maintains that form. |
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Leafs81
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 10:27:57
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Nabokov just signed for 4 years with the KHL. I guess the NHL were not ready to give him what he wanted.
R. Niedermayer signs a one year deal with the Sabres. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 10:50:30
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Some more news/rumours:
- Kovalchuk on the verge of signing in KHL with St. Petersburg, 4yr/40M deal. Source is SportExpress (Russian sports news agency). I've heard so many "Kovy is just about to sign in ___" stories, I'll believe it when I actually see it.
- Russian news also reporting that PHI has signed (or will sign) Zherdev. No deets on length/amount.
- Nabby to KHL, 4yr/24M deal - confirming Leafs81 posting above
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 10:55:38
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[i]Originally posted by nuxfan[/i]
- Russian news also reporting that PHI has signed (or will sign) Zherdev. No deets on length/amount.
The Fan 590 in Toronto is reporting this as well and saying it paves the way for a Toronto Philadelphia trade that will see Simon Gagne to Toronto for Tomas Kaberle.
this deal is the most sensical one I have seen considering both are UFA at the end of the 2010-2011 season. |
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Leafs81
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 11:52:40
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[i]Originally posted by Tiller33[/i]
[br]quote:
[i]Originally posted by nuxfan[/i]
- Russian news also reporting that PHI has signed (or will sign) Zherdev. No deets on length/amount.
The Fan 590 in Toronto is reporting this as well and saying it paves the way for a Toronto Philadelphia trade that will see Simon Gagne to Toronto for Tomas Kaberle.
this deal is the most sensical one I have seen considering both are UFA at the end of the 2010-2011 season.
It would make sense for Toronto but, why would Philly be interrested in Kaberle, they have Pronger, Carle, Timonen, Coburn, Meszaros and O'Donnell. I'm pretty sure the Flyers are looking for draft picks or prospects, maybe a winger, but they are pretty much stacked up on D. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 12:20:04
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Here is some
Sabres sign Rob Niedermayer.
Sharks sign Jay Leach
GO SHARKS GO |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 14:23:24
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irvine
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Canada
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 14:46:26
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Yeah, I read that earlier. But, I don't see people jumping all over Carolina, such as they did Calgary, for taking back a former player.
It was just earlier this season (around trade deadline, or deadline day), that Carolina traded Joe Corvo to the Washington Capitals. And, here we are the very next off-season, and Corvo re-signs with Carolina.
Olli Jokinen & Calgary anyone?
I like the move, personally. As I do the Calgary one, somewhat. They are getting fair value for an offensive-minded Defencemen. Not a dominant one, but a useful one.
As for Jokinen, I find that Calgary are getting fair value there too. $3M for a 1st/2nd line player of 50-55 points is value. Something Calgary needs. And, during his time there, it's not like Olli Jokinen caused a big fuss, demanding to be moved. The Flames moved him, not at his request. It's not like he caused issues in Calgary that warrant it odd for him to return.
And less than $2M for a two-way player with as much offensive upside as Tanguay has, screams value to me aswell.
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irvine
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 14:48:39
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Also, the Washington Capitals have re-signed (D) Jeff Shultz.
Shultz, who lead the league in +/- (+50), inked a 4-year, $11 Million dollar deal.
The deal pays Shultz $2.75 per year.
A fair deal on both sides it seems to me.
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 15:31:49
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[i]Originally posted by irvine[/i]
Yeah, I read that earlier. But, I don't see people jumping all over Carolina, such as they did Calgary, for taking back a former player.
Easy Calgary is a hockey hotbed and the Flames are their main franchise. Carolina is a football/college basketball market, it's a market that couldn't sell out after winning a cup.
But I agree with your point that Jokkinen could (emphasis on could) be a good deal for Calgary. Tanguay is a head scratcher I think he proved in Tampa even with elite scoring talent like Stamkos, Lecavilier and St. Louis that he can't show the previous flash he did with Colorado. Jokkinen has a better chance of being a solid player but I question if the Calgary fans and media will give him enough time to do it. |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 17:22:35
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i bet you if Calgary could go back in time both of these player (tanguay and olie) would have left and they would have signed my boy Cammalleri instead,, i think Calgary`s biggest regret last off season was chooseing Bowmeester and Olie over Mike,, with Cammalleri instead of Jokinen i would dare say the flames make the playoffs last year
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Pasty7
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 17:26:28
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Btw The leafs next move ...sign another defenceman Brett Lebda of the Detroit red wings at 1.45 million for 2 years,,, this is clearly Jeff Fingers replacement in my mind he fits well as a number 6 or 5 on the leafs for a very good price given i personnaly think he is a pretty good d man,,, i fear Finger will be buried in the minors now!
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 07/08/2010 : 08:19:43
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Canucks to retire Markus Naslunds number 19.
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