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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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 Posted - 07/09/2010 : 13:45:55
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SJ has offered Hammer a 4 year 14 million contract Chicago has 7 days to match or take 1st and 3rd round picks what do you think about this signing.
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Edited by - Jumbo Joe Rocks on 07/11/2010 17:23:40
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 13:49:17
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Hjalmarsson is one of my favorite players.Very excited cant wait to see what Chicago doe's.It is either match Hammer or offer to 9 other players you will see Hammer on the Sharks next year.
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Guest4769
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 14:27:31
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| chicago is going to match the offer |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 14:32:50
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I am pretty sure they wont,They still have Niemi with no contract.And Seabrook is a FA next year so it is pretty much Seabrook or Hammer.Brouwer is also a FA.
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 16:17:15
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Ya, I agree that Chicago will not match. They still have depth at the D and with Seabrook next year, Hjalmarsson is on the bubble.
Plus, for the Blackhawks to stay good long term they need draft picks. This would help their cause.
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Guest4769
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 16:18:32
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| they will match, i guarantee that they match it |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 16:53:28
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I also think CHI will walk away.
They were well aware that teams would come after their RFA's, given their precarious cap situation. I think they're happy that its not Niemi being given an offer sheet  . Still Hjalmarsson is a tough one to lose, I see him as a young Ohlund - very nice if you can get your hands on one of those.
CHI knew they had to trade away salary for prospects, and this is effectively what is happening here. If its going to cost them 3.5/year to keep Hjarlmarsson now, they simply cannot afford that without dumping someone else significant. To get a 1st and 3rd round pick out of something they ultimately don't have counting against them now is not a bad tradeoff.
Agree with Beans - they're much more concerned with having enough space next year to be able to resign Seabrook than keep Hjarlmarsson. If they can keep Seabrook and Keith in CHI, they don't need a particularly skilled defense playing behind them.
If CHI does match this, then watch out - that would be a prelude to a pretty big deal later this summer - ie Campbell moving, Huet moving/buried, or one of the big 3 getting dealt. |
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Guest2884
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 17:39:23
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No way Chicago will match I checked they only have 3.6 million in cap space if they do match there goes their remaining money.DW knows what he is doing if Chicago matches they will get rid of another key player then DW will get that player.
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Guest4769
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 17:56:11
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| chicago will match ,sharp will be traded to the leafs by tuesday |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 18:02:27
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[i]Originally posted by Guest4769[/i]
[br]chicago will match ,sharp will be traded to the leafs by tuesday
You sound positive.Who are you Stan Bowman
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Edited by - Jumbo Joe Rocks on 07/09/2010 18:18:59 |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 18:24:39
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even if they let Hjalmarsson go, they will STILL need to move significant salary before next year. They have 3.5M in cap space and still have 9 players to get under contract - according to capgeek they have an avg of 400K in cap space per head they have to add. 400K is less than the league minimum. The only team lower than them in that regard is BOS, and we know they're going to move either Savard or Thomas before Sept to make room. And they only have to sign 5 players.
To have a chance of signing 9 players before the start of the year, I think they'll need a minimum of 9M in cap space, to avg 1M per spot. Niemi will get about 3M of that, leaving 6M for 8 players, which they might be able to do. I also notice that Jack Skille is an RFA, they may very well see an offer sheet for him as well.
At this point, on top of losing Hjalmarsson, I think CHI has to do one of the following:
1. Move Huet in exchange for no additional salary
2. Bury Huet in the minors and eat the contract, or ship him off to Europe and share salary with a Euro team
3. Trade Campbell and take on almost no additional salary.
4. Trade one of their 4 forwards - Kane/Toews/Hossa/Sharp
I don't think #1 is possible, and #3 is highly unlikely. #4 is highly unpalatable, but it must be lurking in the back of Bowman's mind. #3 will be difficult to do, but it the best of a bunch of bad choices. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 18:28:53
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Hjalmarsson will find out what jersey to wear in one week.It will be teal.
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Guest4769
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 18:48:04
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| no i know for a fact that chicago will match the offer |
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Alex116
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 01:28:11
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[i]Originally posted by Guest4769[/i]
[br]no i know for a fact that chicago will match the offer
LOL! 
That's the funniest thing i've read since your last two comments here! Your "personal guarantees" and "know for a fact" crap is actually kinda comical. Are you trying to tell us you're someone with ties to the organization??? |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 08:41:38
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[i]Originally posted by Guest4769[/i]
[br]chicago will match ,sharp will be traded to the leafs by tuesday
Good News I'll call the Jersey guys and let them know, Patty Sharp would look great in Blue and White but I doubt they'd ship us Versteeg and Sharp.
As for the Hjalmersson offer sheet, I have to question Doug Wilson's logic giving a guy $3.5 mil/year for 4 years as well as surrendering a 1st and 3rd round draft pick. I like Hjalmersson and if you are going to over spend most would argue you do it on the back end, however to also surrender a 1st and 3rd to do it is questionable in my opinion. A better option for Stan Bowman to do would be a sign and trade where he can then dictate the market for Hjalmersson, either way his hands have been tied by the contracts Tallon left him with in addition to the Kane/Toews bonus situation.
Another point to consider though is that if Stan Bowman does match San Jose's offer without magically shedding the contracts of Huet and Campbell from the Blackhawks he is basically assured to lose Brent Seabrook next season when he becomes an RFA and will command a sizeable increase from his $3.5 million salary this year. In Vancouver and in the playoffs we all saw how formidable the pair of Keith and Seabrook were, so I would think maintaining that pairing would be of utmost importance to the Blackhawk's GM. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 12:02:44
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If Chicago matches the Sharks take Antti Niemi.Sharks have officialy messed up the Black Hawks. would rather Hjalmarsson over Niemi on the Sharks,Who knows they could get both???
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 12:25:27
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| Couldn't do both via an offer sheet they wouldn't have the draft pick's to use as compensation, it would go to one or the other. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 12:28:54
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A better option for Stan Bowman to do would be a sign and trade where he can then dictate the market for Hjalmersson, either way his hands have been tied by the contracts Tallon left him with in addition to the Kane/Toews bonus situation.
Normally that would be the case - except that CHI is up against it already, and will be well over if they match this. If Bowman matches, every GM in the league knows that he must have one or more significant players traded by the start of the season, and will lowball him to death.
Not matching this offer might be the best compensation that CHI will get for Hjalmarsson. |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 13:23:40
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Ya I'm starting to think that too, I tried taking a really good look at the numbers for them and there is absolutely no wiggle room at all.
To say Bowman is hand-cuffed is an understatement. I think I have to agree with you that a 1st and a 3rd are about as good as they would get for him considering the market for defencemen right now. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 14:37:01
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[i]Originally posted by Tiller33[/i]
[br]Couldn't do both via an offer sheet they wouldn't have the draft pick's to use as compensation, it would go to one or the other.
Yeah they could get both $3.5 million + is 1 and 3 round draft picks.$3 million + is a 2nd round pick.They could get both but wont have a pick till the 4th round who cares though.I know they will get one of those 2 I guarantee it.
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 14:52:59
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[i]Originally posted by Jumbo Joe Rocks[/i]
Yeah they could get both $3.5 million + is 1 and 3 round draft picks.$3 million + is a 2nd round pick.They could get both but wont have a pick till the 4th round who cares though.I know they will get one of those 2 I guarantee it.
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The Sharks getting Niemi for less than $3 million it's wishful thinking. He's coming off a Stanley Cup win. Halak got $3.75 million for taking Montreal to the conference finals. Leighton got $1.55 but he is pushing 30 and doesn't show near the upside of Niemi. Also Chicago would be much more likely to match a $3 million offer on their starting goalie than to match a $3.5 million on their 4th defenceman. Unless one is via a trade San Jose won't land both. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 15:19:24
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[i]Originally posted by Tiller33[/i]
[br]quote:
[i]Originally posted by Jumbo Joe Rocks[/i]
Yeah they could get both $3.5 million + is 1 and 3 round draft picks.$3 million + is a 2nd round pick.They could get both but wont have a pick till the 4th round who cares though.I know they will get one of those 2 I guarantee it.
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The Sharks getting Niemi for less than $3 million it's wishful thinking. He's coming off a Stanley Cup win. Halak got $3.75 million for taking Montreal to the conference finals. Leighton got $1.55 but he is pushing 30 and doesn't show near the upside of Niemi. Also Chicago would be much more likely to match a $3 million offer on their starting goalie than to match a $3.5 million on their 4th defenceman. Unless one is via a trade San Jose won't land both.
It is 3.5 million and over wich is 1 and 3 round draft picks.3 million to 3.499 is 2 round draft pick.So they could sign him to 3.4. Halak has proved he can be a starter before Olympics,During Olympics,After Olympics and the Playoffs.Niemi hasnt realy proved he can be a starter.Mostly against San Jose he was hot,Didnt play that well in round 1.Round 2 and played good in the Finals.He is an unproven goalie.
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 15:20:46
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Setoguchi for Niemi could be a trade.Setoguchi probably will not return so trade him for a goalie who could split time with Niittymaki and possibly Greiss.
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Guest4769
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 16:07:03
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| DONT JUDGE ME. CHICAGO WILL MATCH |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 17:03:29
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[i]Originally posted by Guest4769[/i]
[br]DONT JUDGE ME. CHICAGO WILL MATCH
Actually I am pretty sure they will not match the offer,dont forget Niemi is still unsigned and Sharp's contract ends in 2 years and Seabrooks ends next year.Plus they get a 1st and 3rd round picks.Not signing him could be the best thing to do.why are you so positive though are you part of the Black Hawks frnot office?????????
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 17:42:41
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It is 3.5 million and over wich is 1 and 3 round draft picks.3 million to 3.499 is 2 round draft pick.So they could sign him to 3.4. Halak has proved he can be a starter before Olympics,During Olympics,After Olympics and the Playoffs.Niemi hasnt realy proved he can be a starter.Mostly against San Jose he was hot,Didnt play that well in round 1.Round 2 and played good in the Finals.He is an unproven goalie.
I'm pretty sure that Niemi proved he could start on a regular basis in the NHL last year. Niemi was not a puck-stopping machine like Halak (nor did he have to be - which speaks more about CHI defense), but he did step up when he had to and won a cup in his rookie year - not many goalies do that.
Niemi will not sign for less than 4M per year, nor should he - a Stanely Cup winning goaltender with all the upside of Halak and a bit more experience too. If SJ offers him 3.4 or whatever, I suspect he'll turn the offer sheet down. Yes, players can turn down offer sheets and not accept them, at which point the owning team does not have to match.
If CHI has to make a choice between signing Niemi and Hjalmarsson, I think they'll choose Niemi. The fact that CHI didn't step up right away and match the offer sheet from SJ speaks volumes about where they stand IMO. |
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irvine
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 20:30:45
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The Blackhawks can not afford to match that offer from San Jose.
The Chicago Blackhawks have been shedding salary since winning the Cup. Already moving key players both up-front and on the back-end.
Chicago were hoping to get Hjalmarsson cheaper than what SJ have offered. And, now, Chicago can't afford to keep him. By matching the offer, San Jose would have to sacrifice even more of their depth. Something, they can not afford to do.
In fact, even without Hjalmarsson being matched, the Blackhawks will still need to shed more salary just to keep Niemi, and to add other players to round out their roster. They simply can not afford to overpay Hjalmarsson right now.
It may not be 'over-pay', for the promise Hjalmarsson has shown. But, Chicago expected to keep him cheaper. Now, it's overpay for them.
Not to mention, they have to re-up Seabrook next year. And, to Chicago, Seabrook is much more valuable than Hjalmarsson is.
So, do they struggle to match Hjalmarsson this year -- all while losing even more depth from their roster to do so...
AND, lose Seabrook next year?
or, do they simply let Hjalmarsson walk and gain a 1st Rd Pick + 3rd Rd Pick for him? (NO Salary returned!)
Seems like a good option. Perhaps, even better than having signed him and trading him for a return. They take on no salary in return, and get two (although likely higher picks due to where SJ will finish), quality draft picks. They have options now to re-sign Niemi. Save some salary to help round out the roster. And, will have a better chance to keep Seabrook.
All over one player.
Mind you, more roster shedding is to be done.
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 06:13:42
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| well i may happen to be best friends with brent seabrook and he says theyres no way they wont match the offer |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 07:25:21
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[i]Originally posted by Guest4769[/i]
[br]well i may happen to be best friends with brent seabrook and he says theyres no way they wont match the offer
That is cool you are friends with Seabrook but what about hiis expiring contract next year they need like 5 million dollars??
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Pasty7
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 07:36:25
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[i]Originally posted by Guest4769[/i]
[br]chicago will match ,sharp will be traded to the leafs by tuesday
According to TSN on multiple occaisons the Hawks have made it clear Sharp IS NOT on the trading block and is considerd one of the core players the Hawks want to build around,,,,
my opinion you just want him to be traded to the Leafs
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 08:08:33
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Although it's off topic, I also believe Sharp is not going anywhere, and Chicago will try their hardest to keep him as part of the core. All reports out of Chicago have intimated as much.
How much potential does this Hjalmarsson dude really have guys? I am sort of sitting here scratching my head as to all the fuss . . . ok, so he's a relatively big young d-man with good upside on the defensive end, and not much offensive upside.
A solid #3, #4 guy . . . so?
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Pasty7
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 08:39:08
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[i]Originally posted by slozo[/i]
[br]Although it's off topic, I also believe Sharp is not going anywhere, and Chicago will try their hardest to keep him as part of the core. All reports out of Chicago have intimated as much.
How much potential does this Hjalmarsson dude really have guys? I am sort of sitting here scratching my head as to all the fuss . . . ok, so he's a relatively big young d-man with good upside on the defensive end, and not much offensive upside.
A solid #3, #4 guy . . . so?
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
exactly and with Seabrook, Keith and Campbell he will never be more than a number 4 and what team can afford to pay a number 4 d man 3.5 million when they have the three guys a mentioned above under contract
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Leafs81
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 09:26:09
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I get what Slozo means. Why did the Sharks paid so much for his services? Is he really worth that much. A 1st rounder, a 3rd rounder and a 3.5 million dollar contract???? Just wondering, does he have the potential to be a top 2 or 3 defenseman?
The Hawks must be pretty happy about this offer sheet and about what they get in return. I don't know maybe not. |
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Guest4769
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 09:43:41
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| well i dont think i should be discussing brent seabrooks personal matters on here so i wont say anything about any decisions hesd making |
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 10:11:37
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My Dad is a Ninja who went to school with a guy who's sister once dated the brother of the cousin of the assistant trainer for the Blackhawks.
Impressed??
I personally know a few NHLer myself. Some a lot better than others. However, I would NEVER bring up what anyone told me specifically using their name. I know if I did, I sure wouldn't be friends with them for long.
Thinking back on offer sheets from the past, does anyone recall an offer sheet being matched that did not occur in the same day or maybe even the next day??
I think Chicago not matching immediately says something. But, I don't know Brent Seabrook so I can't really say for sure. |
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Guest2884
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 10:26:46
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[i]Originally posted by Guest4769[/i]
[br]well i dont think i should be discussing brent seabrooks personal matters on here so i wont say anything about any decisions hesd making
Can you get me Seabrooks autograph?????PLEASE
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 10:27:49
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[i]Originally posted by Guest2884[/i]
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[i]Originally posted by Guest4769[/i]
[br]well i dont think i should be discussing brent seabrooks personal matters on here so i wont say anything about any decisions hesd making
Can you get me Seabrooks autograph?????PLEASE
Just go buy it somewhere.
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 10:30:29
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I also know a few NHL'ers...
Colin White(Cousin)
Zach Parise
Marty Brodeur
Rick Wamsley(Cousin)
Charlie Bourgeouis
My Brothers friend's Dad his friend is Brent Seabrook's brother.
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Guest2884
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 10:57:03
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[i]Originally posted by Guest4769[/i]
[br]i f***ed pam anderson when she was 20
Lucky I wish I did,so what about that autograph????? |
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Guest4769
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 10:58:53
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| well first off i dont know u so how am i supposed to get u that autograph |
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Guest2884
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 11:17:26
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[i]Originally posted by Guest4769[/i]
[br]well first off i dont know u so how am i supposed to get u that autograph
Uhhhhhh I dont know send it to me?????
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