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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
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 Posted - 11/14/2010 : 19:35:38
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Should Avery be suspended for his gutless cheapshot on smid? And should peckham be suspended for going after him?
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Go OILERS Go!!!
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Guest4271
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Posted - 11/14/2010 : 21:29:24
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| Obviously this happened after it was 8-2 |
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Utemin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/14/2010 : 22:31:27
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Avery no, he was just epic. Peckham should though because who cares about him.
Avery is the best argue with it!
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Beans15
Moderator
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Posted - 11/15/2010 : 06:40:18
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Well, although how important a player is to a team or to the league should be irrelevant however I agree that Avery will and should not see any discipline. Smid challenged him and Avery kind of suckered him after what seems to be declining the fight. Cheap, yes. But not suspendable.
Peckham on the other hand left the bench. That is suspendable.
I don't like it as an Oilers fan but it is what it is. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 11/15/2010 : 10:08:59
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quote:
Originally posted by Utemin
Avery no, he was just epic. Peckham should though because who cares about him.
Avery is the best argue with it!
The Monkey is me
Utemin. No offense, not trying to attack you here but i can't help but ask, why are you posting such nonsense? Your posts seem to be getting worse daily.  |
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Guest4178
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Posted - 11/15/2010 : 11:09:15
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It looks like no suspensions will be handed out for this brawl, just a fine (undisclosed amount) to Brandon Dubinsky who got involved in this melee at his bench.
I can't understand anyone sticking up for Sean Avery (or admiring his play or his antics). I really wonder how his teammates feel about him? One of his teammates could get hurt as a result of his actions. Does he even care?
Interesting (but not surprising) that Avery chose to sucker-punch a player on a team he doesn't have to play again this season. I'm wondering if he would do the same thing to a player on a team in his own division, one where he had to play against six times in a season? |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/15/2010 : 13:38:58
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Originally posted by Guest4271
Obviously this happened after it was 8-2
It was 5-2 when it happened
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Guest4803
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Posted - 11/15/2010 : 13:52:36
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| dont think mr campbell wanted anymore attention today so he decided no suspensions! |
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Guest7909
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Posted - 11/15/2010 : 23:55:16
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quote:
Originally posted by Utemin
Avery no, he was just epic. Peckham should though because who cares about him.
Avery is the best argue with it!
The Monkey is me
hahhahaha.. i have to agree with so much :D avery is the nuts!!!!
hes so sicko... peckham deserved it hahahahaha :D
but that noone cares about him ... hmm... thats not true.. avery did :D
monkey monkey monkey!!! :D |
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Guest9884
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Posted - 11/16/2010 : 05:35:55
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| Just the fact that so many people get so angry any time Sean Avery even wakes up proves that he is the best in the game at what he does. I'm an Avery fan. Talk all you want about him, the difference is when he talks he's more than willing to punch you in the face if you call him on it. |
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ToXXiK1
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/16/2010 : 05:47:23
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| Ya, if you're smaller than he is. He chickens out on everything else, he's a punk. An effective punk. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 11/16/2010 : 05:48:41
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Originally posted by Guest9884
Just the fact that so many people get so angry any time Sean Avery even wakes up proves that he is the best in the game at what he does. I'm an Avery fan. Talk all you want about him, the difference is when he talks he's more than willing to punch you in the face if you call him on it.
Ya, he'll punch you in the face after he is called on in, only once telling the other player to wait and then throwing fists when his opponent wasn't looking.
I am an Avery fan too. Always have been. His antics on the ice, although classless in most cases, do make me laugh almost every time.
In this case it was cheap, even by Avery standards.
But you are correct that he is the best in the league at what he does. |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/16/2010 : 07:29:17
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beans, you're cracked. How could you like avery. He has no respect for anyone, and he's just a douche.
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Guest4178
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Posted - 11/16/2010 : 10:02:55
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I still can't understand anyone being a fan of Sean Avery, even if it's true that his distracting antics get under the skin of opposing players. (I actually doubt that his antics work, and in fact, one could make a case where his antics actually cause his team to lose games sometimes.)
I still maintain that most of his own teammates don't even like Avery, but few will speak up. One who did though was Erik Christensen, who commented that he believed Avery suckerpunched Smid.
Interesting that Sean Avery has Alex Burrows in his corner though. Burrows commented that he was glad Smid was punched (perhaps he was also glad that Smid was concussed?), but having Burrows in your corner is like having Darcy Tucker or Jarko Ruutu on your side. This coming from a guy who is a notorious diver, and who pulled hair in a fight. (Not to mention his infamous calling out of Stephane Auger, a referee who was really just telling a young player to stop embarrassing officials with his diving on the ice.) All of these players make the list of the most despised players in the NHL, not just despised by fans, but by other players too. (And sometimes, including their own teammates.)
Call me crazy, but I'm not a fan of these kind of players, and Avery is at the bottom of the heap! For some reason, I respect players like Joe Sakic, Steve Yzerman and Nick Lidstrom, but that's just me. (And you can bet they have no respect for guys like Sean Avery. Just ask them.) |
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Guest4803
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Posted - 11/16/2010 : 12:15:43
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| put him in vancouver and he instantly becomes beans least favourite player. |
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The Duke
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 11/16/2010 : 13:21:41
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Seen the fight, Avery kinda caught him off guard but Smid did have a little time to defend himself. He should have expected something like that from that dirt bag and have been more prepared.
Are you nuts guest saying Avery is ready to back up his antics, Avery is a gutless coward when it comes to fighting someone who is tough / a fighter.
Avery will NEVER stand up to a real tough guy, he is as class-less as an hockey player can be and a major coward. You may never get to see someone give him a real s***-knocking because he WON`T fight anyone who can. |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/16/2010 : 15:02:01
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Avery probably has no friends. Why would you want this little f***er on your team. He was f****** laughing, what a douche
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/16/2010 : 16:17:54
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I don't believe I'm siding with Avery here, but another example of a useless fight. He throws a perfectly legal, finishing check, nothing dirty, Smid comes over to challenge? Avery checks the play, banters for a sec, you actually see him nod at Smid and then tosses down his gloves, and goes after a backing up Smid, who is LOOKING RIGHT AT HIM.
Not sure what the hell Smid was doing, not being ready for that, but like Avery or not, for his size, he can fight, and I blame that totally on Smid for not being ready after being the challenger. He got caught period. Nothing cheap in my opinion, he just plain got caught.
What my beloved Oilers were doing after that, totally boggles my mind, it's like they all collectively went it's Avery, let's get him!
Like him or not, that's pretty effective antagonizing, from a play that he didn't even start! |
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Guest4178
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Posted - 11/16/2010 : 16:23:51
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Not quite the way I saw it (that Smid was looking right at him), and by the way, you can still be sucker-punched when you're facing someone.
By the way, here's what Avery's teammate, Erik Christiansen, had to say, and he was right there: "It looked to me like he suckered him; I'm not going to deny it," Christensen then told The Post. "I mean, everyone could see.''
One last comment about Avery. Remember two years ago, when Avery lacerated his spleen during the playoffs. Not a single member of his team (New York Rangers) visited him in the hospital. By the way, who was his coach at the time? Tom Renney. He didn't visit him either. |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/16/2010 : 17:00:00
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Why did smid get a penalty?I mean he dropped his gloves, than avery attacked him. In my view, it's more than a a dirty hockey play, it's assault.
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Utemin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/16/2010 : 18:59:50
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I agree with beans first post somewhat
Avery will get a 2 game suspension just because he is Avery but Peckham did a completely rediculous moves most likely hurting the refs in the process worthy of 7 games.
Don't hate Avery you just have to see the humour at it.
I like the players that trash talk, but I don't like the illegal sucker punchers. Avery's punch was not a sucker punch both had dropped the gloves but Avery dived at him catching Smid off-guard.
Burrows comment on this was the best.
"I don't like Smid also so im fine with it."
Don't argue that this wasn't Smid's fault, Avery made a nice hit and Smid was stupid enough to ask Avery to fight. Just ignore the guy and his career will disapear. Whoever made this topic I hope you like Avery because this is what he wants people to do.
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Edited by - Utemin on 11/16/2010 19:00:27 |
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Beans15
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Posted - 11/16/2010 : 19:00:13
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Originally posted by sahis34
Why did smid get a penalty?I mean he dropped his gloves, than avery attacked him. In my view, it's more than a a dirty hockey play, it's assault.
Go OILERS Go!!!
Firstly, I don't care what a hockey player is or is not personally. I couldn't care less if Avery is a d-bag or not. He makes me laugh.
Secondly, as soon as a player drops his gloves he gets a penalty. It's the rules.
Thirdly, assault??? As Fat Elvis stated, Smid called the fight and was looking right at Avery when he got popped. Avery did not give Smid a chance to drop engage before he hit him which is somewhat against 'the code' and I agree it was a sucker. But I have seen far worse before. Smid's mistake was not grabbing Avery and start chuck'in them first.
Frankly, it was not that bad. Cheap?? Yes. But assault?? C'mon. |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/16/2010 : 19:55:34
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Originally posted by Guest4178
Not quite the way I saw it (that Smid was looking right at him), and by the way, you can still be sucker-punched when you're facing someone.
By the way, here's what Avery's teammate, Erik Christiansen, had to say, and he was right there: "It looked to me like he suckered him; I'm not going to deny it," Christensen then told The Post. "I mean, everyone could see.''
One last comment about Avery. Remember two years ago, when Avery lacerated his spleen during the playoffs. Not a single member of his team (New York Rangers) visited him in the hospital. By the way, who was his coach at the time? Tom Renney. He didn't visit him either.
We have differing opinions but if you challenge someone and aren't ready for it after you challenge, that's Smid's fault, it's not like Avery waited until he turned, Smid saw him coming, that's why he was backing up. That's less a sucker-punch and more of a rookie type error. Don't let hate get in the way of what happened.
Again, I don't have much use for Avery, but in this case he inadvertently did what he does best, he got the entire Edmonton team focused on him, and not on the game, the final score proves that, it was only 5-2 at this point.
I'm not even sure he broke code on this one, he was physically mismatched and had no option but to be aggressive, Smid challenged and didn't have the ability to drop his gloves? Was he actually asking Avery to dance dance, instead of just dance?  |
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Thrasher
Rookie
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Posted - 11/16/2010 : 20:21:41
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I hate Sean Avery. I do. He is a horrible example of a hockey player. But he did his job. He took a better player of the opposing team off the ice. Smid's fault all around.
Why was he trying to fight in the first place? I get teamwork and he wants to get Sean back for hitting"Ahem" Colin Fraser. Yup i Said it.
Not Hemsky
Not Hall
Not Eberle
Not Magnus
Not Gagner
Sean Avery laid a fairly innocent hit ON A FOURTH LINE GRINDER WHO CAN STAND UP FOR HIMSELF. Yes i get he's a teammate and just because he's a fourth liner does not make him less of that. But my god. Innocent clean hit and gets knocked out because he was an idiot.
(Again, I HATE Sean Avery)
The NHL is turning into the girl scouts. What happened when players could take good clean checks to make a good play? Fraser did his job, got hit getting the puck deep like you learn every day in peewee hockey to do, was fine, didnt retaliate, but Smid did. Was it just cause it was Avery? Cause if so, then he did his job to perfection. Smid's fault all the way.
By the way, I also believe it was a brutal sucker punch. But Smid deserved it in my eyes. (Not really. Maybe he'll be smarter next time).
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Utemin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/16/2010 : 21:28:56
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Is this a debate on if it was a sucker punch or on suspensions?
This hit was not a sucker punch, once the gloves are dropped there can't be a sucker punch (unless you want to call smid, or avery a sucker ) because a sucker punch is a punch uncalled for and unseen. the punch was totally asked for by smid, smid tried to play Averys game so avery upped his game owning smid with a dirty but not sucker punch.
Examples of hockey sucker punchl Bufuglyan throughs a random punch at a guy (don't remember who) and the ref does not see it. Uncalled for, Unseen, and wimpy.
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Yewcandoit
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 11/17/2010 : 00:56:27
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Oddly enough, Sean Avery does have one supporter out there in the NHL world regarding all of this and you may not be overly shocked to learn that Vancouver’s Alex Burrows has his full support on pummeling Ladislav Smid.
“I didn’t mind it [Avery jumping Smid]. I don’t really like Ladislav either so I thought it was a pretty good thing that somebody gives it to him.”
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Guest9884
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Posted - 11/17/2010 : 04:12:25
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| Avery has no friends. Avery is a sissy who won't fight anyone tough. Blah blah blah. What a load of crap. You don't have any idea whether he has friends or not and just because he doesn't fight guys who outweigh him by 40 pounds does not mean he is a sissy. Heavyweight ain't the only division. You don't have to love the guy but I'm not sure some of you even remember why you hate him. Maybe stop taking your cues from old man Cherry and actually sit down and watch a game. |
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The Duke
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/17/2010 : 14:04:19
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Guest 9984, did you see what he did to M.Brodeur, waving his stick in front of his face like a total retarded fool ?? This man doesn`t respect the game, other players, officals, fans and just people in general.
This man is a total moron, a natural born fool who should be dropped off on an island some where with others of his mental make-up so they can f*** each other up every day. |
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Utemin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/17/2010 : 18:56:35
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Time to rename Hart Trophy to the Avery Trophy and the Stanley cup into the Sean Avery Cup
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Guest9884
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Posted - 11/18/2010 : 05:31:20
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Yeah, I saw it. As I remember they had to make a rule to stop him. So what? Is Brodeur OK? Did Avery hurt his feelings?
It's gamesmanship taken too far but why do you care? Let's face it, although the greatest game on earth hockey does not exactly exude class. Fans that think it should are delusional. That's not what I'm tuning in for and if you watch the NHL I doubt it's what you're tuning in for either. Bone jarring hits and fist fights have rarely been at the forefront of sophistication.
Let Avery be Avery let Carcillo be Carcillo and if you don't like the antics or the rough stuff then watch the European leagues. They will greatly appreciate the viewers. |
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Guest4178
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Posted - 11/18/2010 : 13:50:30
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| Sean Avery…S Avery…Avery…A very unSAVERY character! :) |
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The Duke
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2010 : 15:51:12
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Gueat i love the fights, bone jarring hits and brawls too....but do it with some honor and respect, not the cowardly, back-stabbing, taunting run and hide away that Avery does.
If Avery wants to be a real man...then let him stand up to one
As soon as some-one real tough stands up tp him he runs and hides like the little p**** that he is. |
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OILINONTARIO
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2010 : 17:41:10
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Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
I don't believe I'm siding with Avery here, but another example of a useless fight. He throws a perfectly legal, finishing check, nothing dirty, Smid comes over to challenge? Avery checks the play, banters for a sec, you actually see him nod at Smid and then tosses down his gloves, and goes after a backing up Smid, who is LOOKING RIGHT AT HIM.
Not sure what the hell Smid was doing, not being ready for that, but like Avery or not, for his size, he can fight, and I blame that totally on Smid for not being ready after being the challenger. He got caught period. Nothing cheap in my opinion, he just plain got caught.
What my beloved Oilers were doing after that, totally boggles my mind, it's like they all collectively went it's Avery, let's get him!
Like him or not, that's pretty effective antagonizing, from a play that he didn't even start!
Looked to me like Avery waited until he was absolutely certain that Smid had resigned to the fact that a fight wasn't going to happen. Both looked like they were retreating back into the play, and then, Blam! Another little routine in Avery's repertoire. Probably figured, "This guy's dropped his gloves, I basically have carte blanche. I'm gonna have a little fun with this." What an a-hole.
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2010 : 20:28:26
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I hate Sean Avery, more than any other player NHL.
But I will say this.
Sean Avery does what Avery does, and he does it effectively. He takes players of a higher skill level, off of their game by taunting them and doing foolish things, until the point they become so agitated that they can no longer play their game (or focus) to their standards.
And, that's his job.
Also, when Avery is not being a goof ball, he can be an effective two-way player in the game. He actually has some skill, on both sides of the puck. It's just hard to see sometimes, because he's usually acting a fool on the ice.
I hate the guy. But, i will give credit when and where credit is due. And, Avery, does his job as well as anybody in the NHL. His job though, is not scoring, play making, or defending. It's being a pest. It's being, Sean Avery.
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Yewcandoit
Rookie
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Posted - 11/19/2010 : 01:26:10
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I agree 100% with irvine.
I hate the guy, but I give him credit at being the best pest.
He's pretty decent at playing hockey, but he's incredible at playing the opposition. |
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/19/2010 : 11:36:57
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| When I watch a game with Avery I expect this type of action from him. Smid is an idiot for moving in like a champ only to back off. A guy like Avery will always try to draw the penalty or change the demeanor of the game regardless of what he has to do. There is no filter on Averys dumb actions. I usually only see Averys antics on replays though. Throughout the game he does actually have good hockey skills. |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/19/2010 : 14:07:43
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Again, I have no man-crush for Avery, but as some of you already know, I have an insane need to try and rectify improper observations, I am not sure why, just can't help myself! 
Here is a clip that shows just the actual second or two before the punch was thrown. For those who are so sure of it being a sucker punch, please watch it and explain to me how Smid had no fault in this.
I see both tossing their gloves, I see Smid looking at Avery, I see Smid attempting to grab at Avery's right arm, which unfortunately, isn't where he thought it was. I see Smid get popped.
Again I reiterate, I have no use for Avery, but this all happened from a clean hit, and a challenge from Smid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAyI7J1ASZw
I'm throwing in a bonus clip, Avery against Carcillo, a fairly tough cookie, that's for the others who say he won't fight, can't fight, chickens out, and his teammates can't stand him. This clip show all those statements to be speculatory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPknPOAVDB0
I dislike Avery, but I have equal issue with statements that are made without proof, In the Smid incident I just feel his rep caused the hubbub, not the facts. |
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