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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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 Posted - 02/09/2011 : 16:31:00
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Al Montoya has been traded to the NYI for a 6th round pick
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The Duke
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 17:14:27
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Leafs got a 1st rd pick ( gardiner 17 th overall ) for Beauch Beans...what do you think of that ???......still think a 1st rounder is out of reach for Kaberle ??
Of course....kaberle is a UFA 
Leafs aren`t trading kaberle.....they are still trying to make the playoffs, tough but not impossible i guess. They need to win 20 - 21 games out of their last 28....not very easy to do. They have won 4 of their last 5....but that doesn`t mean they can keep it up i guess. Time will tell. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 18:42:13
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Leafs got a 1st rd pick ( gardiner 17 th overall ) for Beauch Beans...what do you think of that ???......still think a 1st rounder is out of reach for Kaberle ??
There is a difference between "former first rounder" and "first round pick" Duke... I'm not sure why ANA gave up on this guy, my gut says if he was such a blue chip prospect he would have made the ANA roster this year, given their need for defensemen - so what gives with him? He's certainly small for an NHL defense spot (170 lbs on wikipedia), but perhaps can bulk up.
Remember, Phaneuf was a "former first rounder" too... |
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The Duke
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 19:01:37
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This guy chose the college route Nuxfan, he is still in school. Sure he is under weight but with a 6` 2`` frame theres plenty of room to put on weight.
There is no way to tell if he is a 1st round gem or bust just yet becauce he hasn`t played enough hockey. Never-the-less, he is still a 1st rounder. |
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The Duke
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 19:04:46
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| Wade Belak was also a 1st rounder...12 th over-all, you never know |
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 19:06:36
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| i think Gardner became expendible when the Ducks drafted Cam Fowler last summer. that's probably the main reason why they were willing to part with him. |
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ToXXiK1
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 19:15:26
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| Blake Wheeler took the school route....... |
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T-RAV
Top Prospect
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 03:45:15
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Nuxfan, I don't know anyone who is full adult weight at 20 years old, do you?
And also, Defencemen don't usually mature until they are around 25-26. So the smart thing to do is leave this kid in College hockey and when he's done that maybe a year or 2 in the AHL. By then he could very well be over 200 lbs.
"If we succumb to a dream world, then we will wake up to a nightmare" - Jimmy Carter
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 05:15:02
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After the Beauchemin trade, is anyone else suspicious like I am that Anaheim has something else in the works? They just gave up a very good prospect (Gardiner) to clear out cap space (Lupul), does anyone think they have more moves in the future?
It could just be clearing cap space for the future, to be able to keep their top line intact . . . or, they could be in the hunt for another top 6 forward.
Just sayin'.
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 09:04:41
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It could just be clearing cap space for the future, to be able to keep their top line intact . . . or, they could be in the hunt for another top 6 forward.
They were talking about the move during last night's game, and the consensus was that it came down to space - ANA have a very strong top-6 already, and there was simply no room for Lupul in it any more. He was the expendable part of the forward corps.
They don't need another top-6 forward. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 09:38:23
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Originally posted by nuxfan
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It could just be clearing cap space for the future, to be able to keep their top line intact . . . or, they could be in the hunt for another top 6 forward.
They were talking about the move during last night's game, and the consensus was that it came down to space - ANA have a very strong top-6 already, and there was simply no room for Lupul in it any more. He was the expendable part of the forward corps.
They don't need another top-6 forward.
I heard something similar and also that because of the success that Cam Fowler has had, it made Gardiner more expendable to them. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 12:46:18
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| Mike Fisher to Nashville for a 1st rounder and conditional pick |
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ryan93
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 20:11:55
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Originally posted by Jumbo Joe Rocks
Al Montoya has been traded to the NYI for a 6th round pick
Ha ha ya miss me probably not
The 2nd former 1st round pick of the New York Rangers to be traded this week, the other being Hugh Jessiman. Man, the Rangers 1st round picks from 1996 to 2007 (with the exception of Marc Staal in 2005) were disasters...
Jeff Brown ('96), Stefan Cherneski ('97), Manny Malhotra ('98...has forged out a decent career, but hasn't lived up to the hype as a 7th overall pick), Jamie Lundmark & Pavel Brendl ('99), Hugh Jessiman ('03), Al Montoya & Lauri Korpikowski ('04...Korpy looks like he may have found a home this year in PHX), and Bobby Sanguinetti ('06). And then add in the unfortunate career ending shoulder nerve damage suffered by Dan Blackburn ('01) & the sudden passing of Alex Cherepanov ('07).
Back on topic...any chance the Penguins would be interested in bringing back Alex Kovalev? |
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Posted - 02/11/2011 : 05:11:37
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Yeah, Kovalev to the Pens has been suggested before by others, and at first glance it doesn't seem like a bad idea . . . however, if the Pens really wanted him, wouldn't they have don a deal by now? I mean, Ottawa just dealt Fisher, you don't think they want to get rid of Kovalev too?
So I think the Pens are looking elsewhere for scoring . . . or maybe, with the way they have been playing, they are just waiting for Sid the kid to come back, maybe add a role player or two, and let the chips fall where they may.
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/13/2011 : 23:14:43
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Here are a few 'trades' that I have read about recently. These are not trades I think will happen but they are being thrown around.
Versteeg to the Flyers. Burke is a fan of Van Riemsdyk who is a big, strong, young American player. Burke's favorites. Not sure if this is really an upgrade for either team so I don't see the benefits other than the Leafs get a little younger.
The Kings are still looking for a top 6 forward and Hemsky might fit the bill. History with Smyth and a creative set up man for the likes of Smyth and Kopitar. No mention of what would be coming to Edmonton but as Hemsky is still relatively young and under contract for 2 more years it will not be a cheap price.
The Rangers are interested in Kaberle and MacCabe.
Thomas Vokoun is being quitely shopped.
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Posted - 02/14/2011 : 07:19:55
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If Vokoun is seriously being shopped, that to me is the biggest news, and could have the biggest impact for the playoffs. I think everyone here would agree he is an A quality goaltender, and although not as young as he used to be, would certainly make a playoff contender with weakish goaltending - Philly, TB, San Jose, Chicago perhaps - a very strong contender. Of those teams, how scary would Philly be if they picked him up?
Versteeg for VanRiemsdyk . . . I'd love VanRiemsdyk, sure. I'd have to think Toronto would have to throw in something alongside Versteeg to make it happen, but . . . I have no idea why Philly would do this deal, so that doesn't seem likely unless the Leafs threw in another solid piece. Gustavsson? Then Philly might have to throw in a bit extra . . .
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 02/14/2011 : 07:21:28
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| If Vokoun is seriously being shopped, I'd have to think Washington should be having a serious look. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 02/14/2011 : 09:19:02
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Versteeg for VanRiemsdyk . . . I'd love VanRiemsdyk, sure. I'd have to think Toronto would have to throw in something alongside Versteeg to make it happen, but . . . I have no idea why Philly would do this deal, so that doesn't seem likely unless the Leafs threw in another solid piece. Gustavsson? Then Philly might have to throw in a bit extra . . .
I also don't see PHI giving JVR for Versteeg straight up, something else would have to come to PHI in that deal.
As for why - PHI simply has an embarrassment of riches in the forward department, there is not room for everyone. I suspect the very rapid development of Giroux and Leino have made JVR expendable. |
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Posted - 02/14/2011 : 09:52:56
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I also don't see PHI giving JVR for Versteeg straight up, something else would have to come to PHI in that deal.
As for why - PHI simply has an embarrassment of riches in the forward department, there is not room for everyone. I suspect the very rapid development of Giroux and Leino have made JVR expendable.
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we could try to give them Kaberle........again!! |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 02/14/2011 : 15:18:55
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| looks like Versteeg is off to PHI, in exchange for 2 draft picks, one of them a first rounder. |
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Awesome One
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Posted - 02/14/2011 : 15:21:03
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Originally posted by nuxfan
looks like Versteeg is off to PHI, in exchange for 2 draft picks, one of them a first rounder.
Crap!!!!!
Philly's LOADED, my Lightning will never catch them!!!!!
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
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JonPolley
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 13:57:51
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| Kaberle will be a Bruin withing the next 24 hours.. start clock..... NOW. |
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Awesome One
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 15:32:12
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Kaberle to Boston for the 2011 first round pick that originally belonged to Toronto will totally happen!
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 20:22:42
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so apparently, Kaberle has indicated he will waive his NTC only for BOS. Talk about handcuffing your GM...
I would not be surprised if BOS traded their *own* first round pick back to TOR for Kaberle, but I don't think they'll trade the pick they got from TOR. We will see. |
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T-RAV
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Posted - 02/16/2011 : 03:31:12
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Originally posted by nuxfan
so apparently, Kaberle has indicated he will waive his NTC only for BOS. Talk about handcuffing your GM...
I would not be surprised if BOS traded their *own* first round pick back to TOR for Kaberle, but I don't think they'll trade the pick they got from TOR. We will see.
Actually Nuxfan, I'm pretty sure Kaberle would consider waiving his NTC for a number of teams. However, since Boston has shown so much interest, I'm under the impression that Burke asked him specifically "would you waive your NTC to go to Boston" or something to that extent. Last year Kaberle supplied a list of teams he would move to. This year "there is no list". I'd like to see this happen, (I think) it would be good for both teams
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 02/16/2011 : 03:31:41
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| Won't be the T.O. 1st, prolly our 1st and Wheeler, only if Kabs signs tho. Boston apparently has leverage as it's reported Kabby only said to talk to Boston only, so, BB is kind of stuck with what Boston offers or no deal. |
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Posted - 02/16/2011 : 04:27:11
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Ok - I am only offering up this info as a result of listening to this morning's radio show on the FAN 590 where they replayed a few clips from Burke's interview on a local Boston radio station. He said some interesting things - from what I recall:
When asked if he is in talks with Boston about any specific deal (never mentions Kaberle) - "I can't talk about the player I think you are talking about, Kaberle, because his agent has asked to keep it private and I will respect the agent's and that player's wishes."
When asked if Burke was talking to Chiarelli right now, in trade talks - "yes".
Speaking further - "You know, we aren't going to do a deal just to get a draft pick back in a sort of get back what you lost - if there is a deal that makes sense for both teams, we'll do it"
And yes, it does look like for certain that Kaberle has given the ok to be dealt to Boston. That doesn't mean it'll get done, but . . . you'd have to think the likelihood is even higher now than it was last year, knowing that the Leafs would rather get something in return for a player who might leave for nothing in the summer.
I still have not heard any credible source on what the Leafs may get back . . . Toronto's first round pick back seems fair to me though if the Leafs continue to move up a spot or two. I know many might think it is a huge overpayment, but . . . you don't get defencemen like that for free at the trade deadline.
My other guess, if not a pick, would be that Burke might like Blake Wheeler . . . and I would certainly take that deal too.
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/16/2011 : 09:56:32
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Wheeler seems a far more logically option than the pick back. If TO gets their 1st round pick back (which is still looking to be a top 5) I will be completely amazed and will seriously reconsider my opinion of Burke. Granted, Kaberle is a solid offensive defensemen, it his not worth lottery pick.
Wheeler, on the other hand, is expendable in the Bruins group. In a team with 8+ top 6 forwards the can afford to drop one. Furthermore, Kaberle being a UFA and Wheeler an RFA is more reasonable.
Time will tell. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 02/16/2011 : 11:16:29
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Granted, Kaberle is a solid offensive defensemen, it his not worth lottery pick.
If the Bruins can sign Kaberle to an extension as part of the deal and take away the UFA problem, then he would be worth TOR's old pick in return. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/16/2011 : 11:37:56
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Originally posted by nuxfan
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Granted, Kaberle is a solid offensive defensemen, it his not worth lottery pick.
If the Bruins can sign Kaberle to an extension as part of the deal and take away the UFA problem, then he would be worth TOR's old pick in return.
Nope, he still is not worth a top 5 pick. Even signed. With the exception of Kessel, which most of us would agree was an overpayment, look back in the past and see the players that have been moved for lottery pick postion 1st round picks. You will be hard pressed to find many if any in the past 5 years other than the Kessel deal. Heck, go back 10 years. I give you a hand.
Do you know how many active players have been involved in a trade for a top 5 pick in the past 10 years without any other top draft picks involved?? Two. One was Kessel and the other was when Yashin went to the Islanders and Ottawa got Chara, a throwaway named Bill Muckalt, and the 2nd overall pick (Jason Spezza).
See a common theme of those trades?? They are garbage and heavily favored the team picking up the draft pick and not the player.
There were a few other deals for a top 5 pick but they always included other draft picks. For example, PIT traded their #3 pick(Nathon Horton), their 55th pick(Stefan Mayer) and Mikael Samulsson to FLA for the #1 pick(MA Fleury) and the 73rd pick (Dan Carcillio). TO was also involved in shifting from 7th to 5th with the Islanders once. In the past 10 years there have only been 4 deals for lottery picks and impacted 5 of the potential 50 top 5 picks. Pretty low percentage if you ask me.
Simply put, it is so rare that a team will give up a top 5 pick for any active player, when it does happen the player involved in either young or at the top of their game, and the player is rarely as valuable as the draft picks. Eric Lindros anyone??
As I said, I can see the Wheeler deal. UFA for an RFA. Heck, I can even see a Wheeler plus a 3rd rounder which I would still consider an overpayment. I can't see the original TO 1st rounder on the table. It is also why I said I would be so impressed with Burke if he managed to do the 1st rounder. |
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Posted - 02/16/2011 : 12:27:49
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| didn't burke get a 1st round draft pick, its like 20th over all right now. the ducks i think. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/16/2011 : 12:35:51
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didn't burke get a 1st round draft pick, its like 20th over all right now. the ducks i think.
I was referring to what is considered a 'lottery pick' which is a player pick in the top 5 of the first round. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 02/16/2011 : 12:57:19
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Simply put, it is so rare that a team will give up a top 5 pick for any active player, when it does happen the player involved in either young or at the top of their game, and the player is rarely as valuable as the draft picks. Eric Lindros anyone??
And yet, there are so many cases of top-5 draft picks that have proven to be nothing special. I don't have time to scour trades over the last decade, nor do I particularly care what the history of top-5 draft picks for active player trades are.
Next draft year is considered to be pretty weak - after the first couple of picks, who knows what the NHL potential will really be. Tomas Kaberle is a very skilled offensive defenseman, that has managed to put up some good points on a bad team. He is certainly not at the top of his game, but he's not far off, and at soon-to-be-33 years of age still has 4-5 productive years left. The only thing making him unpalatable for an acquiring team is his pending UFA status.
If BOS could sign him to a 3-4 year extension that makes sense to their cap as a condition of the trade, then I don't see this being particularly bad for BOS. They are heavily steeped in solid young players already and have a great forward core, they have a good farm system, and they have a very good chance at a cup run this year. In exchange for a weak year draft pick, they get one of the better proven offensive defensemen in the NHL today, which is something they are lacking.
That being said - if rumours are true and Kaberle has only sanctioned a trade to BOS, then BOS has Burke over a barrel, and would be silly to give that pick up. But if others are in the mix and a little bidding war happens, I don't think its too much to give up for the potential rewards. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 02/16/2011 : 13:18:27
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Ian White on the block?
He was told not to report to the morning skate and according to head coach Paul Maurice if he is to be moved it will be in the next 24 hours.
my prediction is he goes to Toronto,San Jose or Boston
I think it is more likely San Jose (Dont critisize me) for Derek Joslin + Torrey Mitchell and a 2nd.
Carolina was interested in Joslin last year so they should want him. But San Jose needs to shed salary so they throw in Mitchell and the 2nd to make sure they take Mitchell as a cap dump. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/16/2011 : 16:26:54
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Well Nuxfan, I'll dance.
Weak draft year?? How many times have you heard that in your life?? I hear that literally every other year. The bottom line is that any year that doesn't have a few standouts chasing down the top overall selection is considered a 'weak' draft year. However, look at this list of the past 15 NHL drafts (only the top 5 picks) and figure out how many dogs are on this list. Point being, a top 5 pick is a close to a sure thing there is. In the past 15 years I would suggest that 10% or less of the top 5 picks are garbage.
Finally, is Blake Wheeler a hack?? He was a #5 pick, but he has proven what he can do. He is still super young.
Pick Player
1 Chris Phillips
1 Joe Thornton
1 Vincent Lecavalier
1 Patrik Stefan
1 Rick DiPietro
1 Ilya Kovalchuk
1 Rick Nash
1 Marc-Andre Fleury
1 Alexander Ovechkin
1 Sidney Crosby
1 Erik Johnson
1 Patrick Kane
1 Steven Stamkos
1 John Tavares
1 Taylor Hall
2 Andrei Zyuzin
2 Patrick Marleau
2 David Legwand
2 Daniel Sedin
2 Dany Heatley
2 Jason Spezza
2 Kari Lehtonen
2 Eric Staal
2 Evgeni Malkin
2 Bobby Ryan
2 Jordan Staal
2 James Van Riemsdyk
2 Drew Doughty
2 Victor Hedman
2 Tyler Seguin
3 J.P. Dumont
3 Olli Jokinen
3 Brad Stuart
3 Henrik Sedin
3 Marian Gaborik
3 Alexandr Svitov
3 Jay Bouwmeester
3 Nathan Horton
3 Cam Barker
3 Jack Johnson
3 Jonathan Toews
3 Kyle Turris
3 Zach Bogosian
3 Matt Duchene
3 Erik Gudbranson
4 Alexandre Volchkov
4 Roberto Luongo
4 Bryan Allen
4 Pavel Brendl
4 Rostislav Klesla
4 Stephen Weiss
4 Joni Pitkanen
4 Nikolai Zherdev
4 Andrew Ladd
4 Benoit Pouliot
4 Nicklas Backstrom
4 Thomas Hickey
4 Alex Pietrangelo
4 Evander Kane
4 Ryan Johansen
5 Richard Jackman
5 Eric Brewer
5 Vitaly Vishnevsky
5 Tim Connolly
5 Raffi Torres
5 Stanislav Chistov
5 Ryan Whitney
5 Thomas Vanek
5 Blake Wheeler
5 Carey Price
5 Phil Kessel
5 Karl Alzner
5 Luke Schenn
5 Brayden Schenn
5 Nino Niederreiter
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nuxfan
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Posted - 02/16/2011 : 18:31:20
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I never commented on Blake Wheeler - I'm certainly not insinuating that BOS would give up Wheeler AND their TOR pick for Kaberle, that would be insane. I'm suggesting that Kaberle for the pick alone might not be such a bad deal.
So what does your list tell me? Yeah, there are some mediocre guys taken in the top-5 - for every Crosby, OV, Lecavalier, you have more than one Torres, Svitov, Brendl. I guess the job for BOS management is to now decide whether or not TOR's pick will hand them a Crosby-like player, or a Brendl-like player. Cause if its the latter, then a trade for Kaberle-under-contract-for-a-few-more-years seems like a no brainer don't you think? |
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Posted - 02/16/2011 : 21:03:12
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The only way I can really see Toronto getting their 1st round pick back in exchange for the UFA Kaberle is if they also offer the 1st rounder they just got from Philly. The jump in draft quality (and likelyhood of getting a good roster player shortly) is good for Toronto, and good compensation for losing Kaberle and Versteeg, while Boston would get the player they need while still getting a decent pick. Neither team would (or should) consider that deal to be overly costly.
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 02/17/2011 : 03:32:46
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| Boston is NOT going o give that 1st pick back to Toronto, period. |
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Posted - 02/17/2011 : 06:58:39
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I agree, Toxxic - I do not see Boston giving back that 1st round pick . . . even with Toronto's good record in 2011 so far, it'll still have a good chance to be top 10, and I think they'll want to maximise their end of the Kessel deal.
Blake Wheeler straight up might be quite attractive to both parties, however . . . we still have no deal, talks have abviously been ongoing, and here we are, one year later, in the same situation.
Either Chiarelli is giving up too little, or Burke is asking too much, but . . . as it was predicted a few days ago to be a done deal in 24 hours?
Still hasn't happened. And . . . may not happen.
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/17/2011 : 07:01:10
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Originally posted by nuxfan
I never commented on Blake Wheeler - I'm certainly not insinuating that BOS would give up Wheeler AND their TOR pick for Kaberle, that would be insane. I'm suggesting that Kaberle for the pick alone might not be such a bad deal.
So what does your list tell me? Yeah, there are some mediocre guys taken in the top-5 - for every Crosby, OV, Lecavalier, you have more than one Torres, Svitov, Brendl. I guess the job for BOS management is to now decide whether or not TOR's pick will hand them a Crosby-like player, or a Brendl-like player. Cause if its the latter, then a trade for Kaberle-under-contract-for-a-few-more-years seems like a no brainer don't you think?
Some mediocre guys in the top 5??? How many?? I bet there is less than 1 per year. There may be a Brendl for every Crosby but you are talking extremes. The very best and the very worst. However, what's in between?? Nothing but the best in the NHL today. Take a look at that list and tell me how many have been All Stars in their career?? I bet more players on that list have been all stars than not.
I believe you are arguing for the sake of arguing and can't admit something in black and white. That list is as clear as day. 90%+ of those players are(or were) day to day NHL players. 70%+ of those players have been All Stars in their career. As I said, a top 5 pick is as close to a sure thing that happens in the NHL. Boston would give that up for Kaberle?? I don't think so. |
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Trade Deadline 2011 - Predictions 
