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JonPolley
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 Posted - 02/14/2011 : 15:35:34
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from TSN:
Kris Versteeg's tenure in Toronto has been a very short one as sources tell TSN that the Toronto Maple Leafs have sent the 24-year old forward to the Philadelphia Flyers in exchange for a pair of draft picks, one of them being the Flyers first round pick in the upcoming NHL Entry Draft.
Toronto originally brought Versteeg over from the Chicago Blackhawks last summer after he was a part of their Stanley Cup championship team last season. In 53 games with the Leafs this season, Versteeg has found the net 14 times, while adding 21 assists.
The 24-year-old native of Lethbridge, Alberta was selected in the fifth round (134th overall) in the 2004 NHL Entry Draft by the Boston Bruins. In 223 career games, he has posted 58 goals and 78 assists for 136 total points.
Versteeg should give the Flyers some additional offensive punch as well as playoff experience as he had six goals and eight assists in 22 games during the Hawks Stanley Cup run last season.
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Guest0032
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Posted - 02/14/2011 : 15:48:22
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| This amounts to Stalberg, DiDomenico and Paradis for Sweat and Philly's #1 and #3 in 2011. 3 prospects for 3 prospects (later). |
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JonPolley
Top Prospect
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Posted - 02/14/2011 : 15:49:58
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| I just think its funny they're trading all their guys way before the deadline.. they'll be done by the time the 28th rolls around. |
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The Duke
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 02/14/2011 : 16:26:39
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This may be a move for the future to make an offer for a RFA...TO didn`t have a 1st round pick this year and this is a requirement ( 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks ) for a team to have in order to make offer sheets to certain NHL restricted free agents.
OR maybe Toronto is finally going to slow rebuild....but knowing B .Burke...these picks will be used in a bigger deal, something big is in the works with these picks...you can bet on it.
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 02/14/2011 : 16:58:32
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At first look I thought this trade was a bit much for Versteeg. Then looking at it that the first rounder is probably going to be a 29-30 pick in what is being called a weak draft. So it's makes a little more sense to me now.
I wonder if Philly is planning on moving a forward now, they are very deep and could probably get something good for someone like Van Remsdyk who as had an up and down season but would have a lot of potential playing on a team where he would get top line minutes.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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Pasty7
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Posted - 02/14/2011 : 17:04:25
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Originally posted by The Duke
This may be a move for the future to make an offer for a RFA...TO didn`t have a 1st round pick this year and this is a requirement ( 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks ) for a team to have in order to make offer sheets to certain NHL restricted free agents.
OR maybe Toronto is finally going to slow rebuild....but knowing B .Burke...these picks will be used in a bigger deal, something big is in the works with these picks...you can bet on it.
Duke i think a team has to have their pick not just any pick but i'm not sure,,, i'll check tonight on my long and annoying night shift!
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 02/14/2011 : 17:38:46
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Duke i think a team has to have their pick not just any pick but i'm not sure,,, i'll check tonight on my long and annoying night shift!
Nope, they just need a pick, can be one they have or one they acquire via trade.
I can only hope, for TOR's sake, that he's simply acquiring picks to actually use to pick players. The only RFA's out there that would be worth making an offer on will cost more than a 1st/2nd/3rd combo pack. |
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Posted - 02/14/2011 : 18:19:01
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Hmm. Interesting! Hey Beans - told you Philly wouldn't want to get rid of Van Riemsdyk, but yeah, you were right about Versteeg.
Seems pretty fair, especially with Versteeg's upside still, same as he had with Toronto. The 1st rounder is late, and with the 3rd, it starts to fill up the empty draft holes Toronto had - for the type of player that teams generally overpay for in free agency.
I am ok with this deal. Never got excited about Versteeg in Toronto, but he certainly wasn't performing poorly . . . and guys! Just because the Leafs have a first rounder now, doesn't mean it will be leaving immediately . . . I think 
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sahis34
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Posted - 02/14/2011 : 20:33:57
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Too much for versteeg, plain and simple. He's a 3rd liner in philly
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nuxfan
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Posted - 02/14/2011 : 22:16:16
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its an interesting move for PHI for sure, I didn't think they'd be in the market for a 3M grinder that is signed through next year. They're clearly making a serious run for it this year.
This year's PHI is shaping up to be last year's CHI. They now have 1.9M to sign 6 players next year - one of which is Leino who could eat all that and more. Some significant pieces are going to be moved this offseason - it won't be like CHI's dismantling last summer, but it will be more than bit parts. |
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Posted - 02/14/2011 : 23:48:07
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| figure they made this move due to his experience last year, I know they Pronger, but who else has cup experience......it is too much for Versteeg though |
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Guest4271
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 00:01:38
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Originally posted by Pasty7
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Originally posted by The Duke
This may be a move for the future to make an offer for a RFA...TO didn`t have a 1st round pick this year and this is a requirement ( 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks ) for a team to have in order to make offer sheets to certain NHL restricted free agents.
OR maybe Toronto is finally going to slow rebuild....but knowing B .Burke...these picks will be used in a bigger deal, something big is in the works with these picks...you can bet on it.
Duke i think a team has to have their pick not just any pick but i'm not sure,,, i'll check tonight on my long and annoying night shift!
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Guest5001
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 01:52:01
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A little fun fact...
the leafs were 13-0-2 in the 15 games Versteeg scored. |
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T-RAV
Top Prospect
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 02:47:37
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Versteeg was good on Chicago's third line. I think he'll add good depth to Philly's third line.
I wonder if perhaps the leafs will pick up Van Riemsdyk in the summer, as the Flyers will be looking to shed cap space to sign other guys to longer contracts.
This would make sense to me because then Philly gets to keep their team together for the cup run, and its not like the Leafs are going to do anything this season.
Win Win, as they say. But who knows? Its just wishful thinking right now.
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 03:35:15
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Originally posted by T-RAV
Versteeg was good on Chicago's third line. I think he'll add good depth to Philly's third line.
I wonder if perhaps the leafs will pick up Van Riemsdyk in the summer, as the Flyers will be looking to shed cap space to sign other guys to longer contracts.
This would make sense to me because then Philly gets to keep their team together for the cup run, and its not like the Leafs are going to do anything this season.
Win Win, as they say. But who knows? Its just wishful thinking right now.
Peace and Respect
It would be just the opposite Van Riemsdyk is a young player with a ton of upside, Burke probably asked for him instead of the first rounder he got for Vesteeg and Holgram laughed at him. Van Riemsdyk is a 1.6m cap hit and isn't an RFA untill the 2012 2013 season, the Flyers will not be parting with him to free up 1.6 million in cap space when he is the type of player who0 could easily break out next season his potential his high and his cap hit low,,, and well i really don't know what the leafs have that is cap freindly that the Flyers would want besides draft picks.. and if you think you can get Van Riemsdyk who went 2nd overall only a few years ago for anything less than a low first round pick and more well then you are dreaming!
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Guest5001
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 04:06:58
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The Leafs need to scratch their "We need to win now" plan, and build for the future in the next couple years. Look where Washington, Pittsburgh, Boston, and a few other teams got using that plan? I know Leaf Nation is getting irritated by the length of time they have waitied for a winning team, but really... what's a few more years? :)
If the Leafs were smart (I am a leaf fan, by the way), and we all know they are not, they would unload Kaberle to a team from one of the following groups:
1.) A contender, that will give up a draft pick/prospects.
2.) A Team on the VERGE of making the playoffs, that really needs that extra help on defense. If we look at the current NHL standings, any of the teams sitting 5-6 points back of a playoff spot would be fantastic to try and swing deals with for draft picks. And here's why:
Let's say you drop Kaberle for a first overall pick + something to one of those teams. We'll just use Buffalo as an example. Buffalo has a decent chance to make the playoffs, so they might be looking to upgrade their team a bit before the deadline to make a real run for it. Let's say that run fails, and they miss the playoffs. They are now in the draft lottery, and you are looking at a possibility of a 10th-6th first round draft selection.
If they DO make the playoffs, you're looking at a 14th-18th 1st round selection. I know it's risky, but in the spot the Leafs are in, they NEED to start thinking about the future, and getting draft picks from teams is the best way to do it. I mean, there's no way the Islanders, Senators, or Oilers will be giving up their draft picks for Kaberle, because they are pretty much for sure guarenteed a 1-5 pick, and why would you trade that for a seasoned vet that won't help your team for longer than that selection can in the future.
The Leafs targets should be possible draft lottery teams, if they are to seriously become a competitive team in the next few years.
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 04:15:17
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Only 1 problem with your plan:
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 05:35:31
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| Sure Versteeg will be a 3rd liner in Philly...only problem is Philly's 3rd line is better the the leafs first line. |
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ryan93
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Canada
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 06:14:30
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| haha so true, Philadelphia are absolutely stacked up front. This is the 2nd year in a row i picked them as my Stanley Cup winner prior to the regular season, and unlike last years regular season, they certainly aren't disappointing. As seems to be the question every year, IF they can get solid goaltending in the playoffs from Bobrovski or Boucher or Leighton or whomever, then i'm not sure if there is a team in the East that'll be able to beat them in a 7 game series. Then again, in the playoffs anything can happen. |
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Awesome One
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 06:42:59
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Wow! Philly's frikkin LOADED!
I mean: Richards, Carter, Briere, Giroux, Leino, Hartnell, Versteeg, Zherdev, van Riemsdyk, Pronger, Timonen, Carle, Coburn, Meszaros!
The only thing I don't understand is why they would get Versteeg instead of a half decent goalie?
Great trade though.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
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JonPolley
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 07:57:55
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"The only thing I don't understand is why they would get Versteeg instead of a half decent goalie?"
REALLY?.. are you serious.. Giggy.. Gus.. and now Reimer who's turning out to be amazing and you think they need someone different? lol The only problem in that respect is that they've got no D.. just a bunch of chumps in front of their tenders. (besides Kaberle that is)
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ryan93
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 08:08:14
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| He's talking about Philly...not Toronto. |
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ToXXiK1
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 08:08:22
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| I think he's referring to Philly getting a goalie? |
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polishexpress
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 08:16:04
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Quote: Nuxfan:
Nope, they just need a pick, can be one they have or one they acquire via trade.
I can only hope, for TOR's sake, that he's simply acquiring picks to actually use to pick players. The only RFA's out there that would be worth making an offer on will cost more than a 1st/2nd/3rd combo pack.
@ Nuxfan:
You are incorrect with your interpretation of compensation draft picks in offersheets for RFA's.
Toronto must use their own draft picks as compensation!!
Here is a quote from the NHL cba: quote:
Clubs must use their own draft picks
(being those awarded directly to the Club by the League for use by it in the Entry Draft,
including such draft picks described in the first clause of this parenthetical that a Club has
traded or encumbered, and subsequently reacquired or unencumbered.)
Clubs cannot acquire picks to use as compensation (with the exception
being a Club's own draft selections that are traded and then re-acquired).
So TO cannot used acquired picks to get RFA's, unless they reacquire their own, and I doubt BOS will give away TO's 1st rounder their currently hold. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 08:23:45
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Ok, couple of things.
Firstly, wow. Burke normally does not impress me but for him to get a 1st and a 3rd out of Versteeg is great value. I like Versteeg, who is far from a 3rd line player regardless of where he played with Chicago. He is on pace for 3 consecutive 20 goal seasons and 40+ point seasons. That is as good as most 2nd line players in the NHL and he did that playing 3rd line minutes. Versteeg is a gamer who either didn't like TO or Wilson but still did his job.
Duke, please explain to me how Burke will use draft picks in June to makean RFA offer sheet in July??? If Burke goes for an offer sheet it will be with 2012 draft picks, not 2011 draft picks. Also, Burke has been very outspoken on RFA offer sheets overpaying players and how much he disagrees with them. Penner anyone?? I don't see Burke going after an RFA. If anything. He will pull a Kessel type trade for an RFA and sign them, but he won't do an offer sheet.
Finally, respectfully without Leaf bashing, does anyone else see this as a move by Burke to kinda say he is rebuilding again?? Teams that are on their way normally don't chase draft picks or trade top 6 forwards to gather draft picks. They upgrade players or fill gaps in their roster with assets. Moving a 24 yr old player with Versteeg's chops tells me this is rebuild version 2.0. Or, at the least an extention of the rebuild.
None the less, hats off to Burke for this deal. |
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JonPolley
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 08:24:39
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| My bad..thats what you get for reading a forum when you should be working I guess lol.. sorry bout that but even still.. Philly does not need a goalie.. Sergei Bobrovsky is having one heck of a season and having even more offence in front of him will help him even more. |
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Guest7752
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 08:42:30
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Originally posted by nuxfan
its an interesting move for PHI for sure, I didn't think they'd be in the market for a 3M grinder that is signed through next year. They're clearly making a serious run for it this year.
This year's PHI is shaping up to be last year's CHI. They now have 1.9M to sign 6 players next year - one of which is Leino who could eat all that and more. Some significant pieces are going to be moved this offseason - it won't be like CHI's dismantling last summer, but it will be more than bit parts.
You are absolutley right.
This trade is about Philly winning the cup this year, it's not about Leafs rebuilding or Burke's genious.
It's about Philly going for the cup at all costs, because they will have no chance next year.
Sooooo - well done Philly on this trade and well said nuxfan. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 09:28:35
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| Polish, thanks for the clarification - I stand corrected. I'm surprised that the league has that rule in place - honestly, why would they care where you get the pick from, so long as you get it. |
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Guest2712
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 10:09:40
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| IMO, this trade was made simply because Versteeg was not the impact player Burke was hoping for. and he knew there was still a good demand for him in the market right now, so he pulled the trigger. |
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Leafs81
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 11:42:20
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Lots of people seems to believe it's a good trade from Burke's part. But I'm not too sure about this one. Toronto are lacking one thing mainly and that is top six forwards. Versteeg was a legitimate top six. He's on pace for 20 goals and 40 something points, all that playing with nobody on his first year as a Leaf, probably hating the coach, at 24 years old. I would of hang on to that guy a little bit longer. Versteeg could play the powerplay down low, at the point, he could play the PK, top six or shut down third line grinder. I really like that player and I was really glad he was a Leaf. He was also starting to have good chemistry with Colby Armstrong.
I know Toronto was desperate to have a first rounder, but what is Philly's first rounder worth, a draft pick that will probably be from 25th to 30th? The percentage of that drafted player to become a regular top six in the NHL is not really high.
But there's not just bad that comes out of this trade, 3.083 millions is now available for cap space. If Burke plays the cards well this summer he can replace a guy like Versteeg.
It's just sad to see a young top six forward leave when that's what your team is lacking.
Beans good point about the rebuilt 2.0 I saw that trade as a sign too. |
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JonPolley
Top Prospect
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 13:34:46
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| Versteeg was NOT a top 6 forward.. not in TO anyways. Maybe in Philly where he'll have someone feed him the puck better and less pressure to be superman and do it all because he now has a supporting cast to help him. |
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Mario 66
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 14:30:59
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Last night while watching Sportsnet the analysts suggested that Burke maybe indeed going to the more traditional approach of building through the draft as oppose to his current philosophy of selecting college players & free agents. This will obviously be more evident over the course of the next yr.
As far as the philly situation Zherdev has been rumored to be the odd man out and teams like LA & Mtl are apparently in the market for his service. Van Riemsdyk is not going anywhere at 21 and a point every other game player while playing a limited role on a stacked frwd group. He is surely in line to replace a Hartnell or Leino whenever their contracts expires or if he develops like Giroux he will just push them aside and take over their jobs. No matter how you look at it the flyers are one scary looking team with a plethora of game changers.
As far as the trade itself if the leafs picked Versteeg up as a UFA last summer then i might agree that the leafs won the trade. However; when you factor into acquire him they gave up Stalberg & Didimminco who both may eventually be nhl regulars and then in trading him they gained a 28th - 30th overall pick & a 3rd rder they definetely lost more then they gained. Sure, you can make the arguement that they are indeed two seperate trades but considering Versteeg was the key to both the leafs lost alot of talent and potential for what maybe SFA if the draft picks do not pan out.
In regards to the suggestion that Versteeg may not of been the elite level game changing player that Burke may of anticipated (don't see that being the real reason for the trade) maybe he wasn't but at only 24 a near lock for 20 goals that many others suggested and a guy who is solid in all three zones & can play all situations which is what the leafs presently lack in the fwd group. I am left shacking my head about Burke's thought process and the deeper i look into burkes transaction's feeling sorrrow for many leaf die hards and loyalists. Trading what i feel and i am sure some leaf fans would agree your best overall fwd (long term) he not only lessoned your current talent and shortened the building list of players of what i viewed as Versteeg, Kessel, the second line & the young d core. Burke with this trade also took away a solid young role model for Kadri & Dimiggio to develop their games around and put more pressure on them to develop quicker without a guy whom one of the two may of built real chemistry with.
As far as Burke in his time with the leafs he has picked up Lupul, Kessel,Komasarek, Gustafsoon, Gigeure, Brunstrom, Aulie potential in gardiner and a 28th 30th rd pick and shipped out Hagman, White, Stajan, Beauchemin, Stalberg, Didiminnico, Versteeg, maybe soon to be Kaberle and consequently a second overall and maybe top 5 overall pick. (Feel free to add anyone i may have missed from either list) Not saying all the moves are bad but in the larger picture when you look at what has been brought in as oppose to what has been taken out in a longterm building process i hardly see where the progress is being made outside of freeing up cap space.
Which is the next point in the leafs current stalemate type rebuild. I hate to add it on as i live in Toronto and would like to see them make strides in the rebuild and develop a consisent exciting product but with no game changing draft picks until atleast next yr which would require another dreadful season and limited game changing UFA's this summer what is the 3 million off of Versteegs contract, and the million's off maybe Gigeure & Kaberle's contract going to bring in if there is not currently assets available in the market? There will be your heart and soul guys available who will battle night in an out but nobody that you can look at and say he's a piece of the formula to fix their current conundrum.
I want to see the leafs build and succeed but i am not seeing the brilliance that many praise Burke for and his refusal to remove a over valued under performing coach just maybe an example that MLSE should go in a different direction and bring in a guy like Gilmour, Clarke, or Gary Roberts who have a desire and interest in the organization and former heart & soul players that know what it takes to win like you see presently with the likes of Yzerman & Nieweyndyk. Not saying Burke doesn't know what it takes to win and you can argue that bringing those guys in is not logical if you see fit but as a fan of the leafs do you see them taking the team down any worse path then the rollercoaster stuck in reverse that burke currently has leaf nation on? Sure hindsight is 20/20 but when looking at it now Burke's eagerness to build through trades & UFA's has left the team up S**ts creek without any paddles and two captains (Burke & Wilson) who refuse to hear what the players have to say for atleast the next 3 - 5 yrs
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Leafs81
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 14:35:51
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Originally posted by JonPolley
Versteeg was NOT a top 6 forward.. not in TO anyways. Maybe in Philly where he'll have someone feed him the puck better and less pressure to be superman and do it all because he now has a supporting cast to help him.
Top six forward means he plays on the top 2 lines. Versteeg was versatile and did play on the third line, especially lately, but he also played on the first or second line. Plus stat wise Versteeg was a top six forward in Toronto for sure. 4th in ice time, 5th in points, 5th in goals, 2nd in assists, 3rd in shots and 5th in shifts per games.
That's all top six stats. if anything he will fall to third line duties more than anything with a deep team like Philly. |
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Awesome One
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 15:34:18
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quote:
Originally posted by JonPolley
"The only thing I don't understand is why they would get Versteeg instead of a half decent goalie?"
REALLY?.. are you serious.. Giggy.. Gus.. and now Reimer who's turning out to be amazing and you think they need someone different? lol The only problem in that respect is that they've got no D.. just a bunch of chumps in front of their tenders. (besides Kaberle that is)
Ya, I meant Philly and not nessicerally from Toronto.
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 16:25:26
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Lets call it out here, the Leafs and Versteeg were obviously not happy with each other. Versteeg was reportedly had a I don't care attitude along with a I just won the cup mentality. Apparently not showing the hunger the Leafs wanted him to. Versteeg I don't think liked what Wilson was doing nor did he like being in TO. I think that was evident by his response to the trade.
Anyways, Burke took advantage of player whos value was at its peak for the Leafs.
My question is. Burke mentions in his press conference that the 3rd rd pick is already offered in a package for player that is about a 6 mil cap hit. I have scoured the salary cap lists and really can't find a player that meets that criteria that any team would be willing to move. So who could this player be? |
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Mario 66
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 18:05:37
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Not a clue chop as its to broad of a market to determine who exactly at 6 mill it could be but hopefully for the leafs sake it is a discussion on the brink of reality as oppose to rumors which surface this time of yr
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The Duke
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 18:51:24
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Toronto`s forward group are toooooo smalllllll.....some small bodies have to go to make room for some bigger guys.
Philly and Van. have a great mixture ( Chi. had it last year ) of size and skill in their forward group, you need some size up front in order to be successful.
Rumor has it that Versteeg wanted out of Toronto so maybe Burke just did him a favor and granted his wish.
I did not realize you had to have your OWN draft picks to make an offer sheet. Not something that happens every day, never did really pay too much attention to the process. |
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The Duke
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 18:55:30
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Porkchop...whats V. Lecal`s cap hit ??
I think TB would move him for the right package...wether or not Toronto has that package to offer, i don`t know. |
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 18:58:17
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quote:
Originally posted by The Duke
Porkchop...whats V. Lecal`s cap hit ??
I think TB would move him for the right package...wether or not Toronto has that package to offer, i don`t know.
not sure without looking it up but I think somewhere in 7.5 to 8 mil range.
I personnally do not see a move for Lecavalier. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 19:45:15
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I personnally do not see a move for Lecavalier.
I don't think Lecavalier would waive his NMC for TOR either.
His cap hit is 7.7M |
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