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nuxfan
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semin-rules
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Canada
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 Posted - 05/01/2011 : 18:28:13
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2011 : 18:29:35
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Is it the NHL??? Nashville complained. The NHL had no choice. It's no different than a guy who is continuously heckling players. If the team complains, the guy will get moved or get punted.
Sure, the NHL might have better things to do, but do you not think their hands are cuffed on this one??
Frankly, I find them completely annoying and just anothe reason for a guy like me to like Vancouver even a little bit less. Not everyone likes that kind of crap. |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 05/01/2011 : 18:52:00
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they sshoudl hand out green suits to everyone before the game 26 000 people in the stands wearing green suits would be pretty hilarious
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
902 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2011 : 20:20:15
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Gotta love the games that are played away from the game,
Anything to try and get in to each other's heads.
Annoying, probably, distracting..... like anything else in life, only if the players let it be.
Head games by Nashville, but they should be careful, Vancouver could complain about cowboy hats, then Nashville gets like 6 people left in the stands for their home stand! |
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 05/01/2011 : 20:51:32
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I think things are a little bit different when your holding up a cardboard cut out of one of the guys wife. I've never been a fan of the green guys, I think if i had to sit behind them and they were up and about during the play I would tell them to sit the bleep down. They took it to far this time. Carrie Underwood isn't just some celebrity, she is Mike Fisher, member of the Predators wife. Simple as that, I wouldn't be to happy if some fan was holding up a giant picture of my wife in the crowd and neither would the rest of you.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2011 : 21:35:02
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are you referring to the pictures of Carrie Underwood's head on top of a Canuck's jersey? Seriously? I'm pretty sure this has very little to do with Underwood. I mean sure, if we were saying derogatory things about Underwood, or holding up naked pictures of her, then hey I have a problem with that too. But Underwood's head with a Canucks jersey?
When the Odd's played during one of the stoppages they had "groupie" heads dancing behind them that were Underwood head cutouts. Did anyone complain about the conduct of the Odd's at the game? At an intermission, there was some video of a dude that went around town tearing down pictures of Underwood and burning her CD's - did that guy get judged by the NHL?
At this point, I have heard nothing about the actual reason for the complaint. Handstands in front of the penalized player seem to be the consensus. |
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Statman
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 05/02/2011 : 02:48:59
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| And yet the NHL has promoted them with features on NHL.com chronicling their exploits. Though not everybody loves them, the fact is they are interesting and make things more fun. I also think they did a good job of not going too far with Carrie Underwood. I know I would've! Lol. |
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ToXXiK1
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
696 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2011 : 03:27:08
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This has to be one of the most silly things to complain about. I think Bettman has much better things to worry about (financial burden teams, headshots, the CBA, etc....) than this.
Really Gary? Really? Let the fans be fans ! Simple solution is to have 2 of these guys in every rink, then every team goes through it, the novelty wears off and we move on. |
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ryan93
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/02/2011 : 04:53:19
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| They were discussing this on HNIC a few nights ago nux, i thought it said that the big thing was that they had to stop banging on the penalty box glass. |
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Posted - 05/02/2011 : 05:12:45
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Love the green guys, and I think it's one of the Canucks fans great contributions to the sport of hockey, like the octopi in Detroit. It's fun, it's hilarious to watch, and it is all quite harmless. Gets more fans in the game, gets more free publicity for the NHL and hockey in general . . . it's all good, frankly. I fail to see how any but the most sour and dour of fans wouldn't appreciate them.
I agree with FatElvis, I'd say it's a mind game thing from Nashville's end, just trying to stir the pot. There isn't much of a hat/rivalry between the two teams, and they are just trying to manufacture something.
I say it backfires against the country bumpkins. 
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Beans15
Moderator
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Posted - 05/02/2011 : 05:28:26
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The most sour and dour fans?? Typical comment. People don't have to like anything just because others might think it's funny.
Fans have to know there is a line they can not cross. Not saying these green dorks are crossing the line at all, but they are dancing around it pretty close. The NHL did not stop them from going to the game or doing any of their antics. All they said is don't talk to the players and don't touch the glass. You, me, or anyone else in the stadium would be told the same thing, would we not??
And stop point the finger at the wrong place. Some can see this is a Nashville issue and the NHL is doing what they would do for any other team who put in a complaint. Nashville has every right to put a security guard at the penalty box or anywhere else in the stadium. They have every right to ensure the patrons of the game follow the rules they establish and they can establish any rules they want and are reasonable to ensure the safety of their players.
There is nothing unreasonable about asking any fan to not touch the glass and not talk to the players in the penalty box, regardles of what they are wearing or what team they cheer for.
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Posted - 05/02/2011 : 08:14:57
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It's not unreasonable . . . to ask the fans . . . not to "touch" the glass? Not to talk to the guys in the penalty box? Are you for real?!?
That's TOTALLY unreasonable to assume that your perfect fan sits there, arms folded in lap, sipping his beer calmly while in his beauty seats near the front row. That is totally and utterly ridiculous, Beans.
EVERY rink has guys and gals right by the penalty box and benches that throw out comments, hold up signs, jeer, cheer, - you name it. It's part of being a hockey fan, and getting into the game to participate!
Do you wear a suit and tie to these hockey functions, Beans? When is tea time, between the second and third period? Do you hush people?
Crack a smile, dude! It's a couple of guys who love their team, and they dress up like crazy mascots and get the crowd revved up. What can possibly bug you about that?
It's not easy being green, you know! 
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ToXXiK1
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
696 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2011 : 08:23:04
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| So Beans, what's next? All patrons who bought tix against the glass can't pound on them either? Maybe snipers in the roof.... |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 05/02/2011 : 09:33:43
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They were discussing this on HNIC a few nights ago nux, i thought it said that the big thing was that they had to stop banging on the penalty box glass.
Stop banging the glass? Man, if they stop fans from banging the glass, there will be an empty ring of seats in row 1 around every NHL stadium in the league. Sometimes I watch games in the US and wonder if fans there know to do anything OTHER than bang the glass.
Even stranger, I don't actually see them bang the glass much. They'll do handstands and gestures, hold up pictures...but banging the glass, its not their style.
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Fans have to know there is a line they can not cross. Not saying these green dorks are crossing the line at all, but they are dancing around it pretty close. The NHL did not stop them from going to the game or doing any of their antics. All they said is don't talk to the players and don't touch the glass. You, me, or anyone else in the stadium would be told the same thing, would we not??
No, I have never been told to not touch the glass. I see people all over the stadium, every stadium in the NHL, banging on the glass when the play comes close. I see it after every goal is scored, every check in the corner, every good save. It is a form of cheering, and people do it all the time.
Nor have I ever been told to never utter a word in the direction of a player. As long as their words are not offensive (personal or in general) in nature, there is absolutely nothing wrong with yelling at a player or directing comments towards players. Again, it happens constantly throughout the game.
The Canucks code of conduct is pretty clear in what it defines as acceptable behaviour and what it does not, and I'm sure every stadium in the NHL has one similar. Nothing that the green men have done have violated this code of conduct. Unless we're not hearing the whole story. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 05/02/2011 : 09:36:02
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BTW, it looks like the green guys will be going to NSH - apparently the injunction/warning was specific to Rogers Arena, but said nothing about the NSH arena....
Kudo's to them for creating a rivalry between these two teams, even if it is one based on fans rather than players. No one in VAN was very excited about having to play NSH, this adds some spice to the series. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 05/02/2011 : 10:03:01
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I never said anything of what you are implying. If anyone would like take the time to actual read exactly what I wrote rather than making 'utterly ridiculous' assumptions, you might just have something logical or tangible to bring to the conversation.
Did I say, anywhere in my post, that fans could not touch the glass anywhere in the stadium?? I said penalty box, very clearly I might add. That is nothing new or different in any arena. That started back when that fan fell into the box after the 'conversation' with Domi where that fan took a very justified beating.
The NHL does not allow fans to get too involved with anyone in the penalty box or benches. Maybe some people have never sat in those seats before. At least in Edmonton, if you are sitting in a seat near the penalty box or players benches, you are warned to keep any interactions with the players tasteful or your will forfeit your seat. I have to assume that is not uncommon through the entire NHL.
Serious people, read exactly what I wrote. Can people not realize that the NHL is simply defining the "line?" Don't touch the glass and don't talk to the players IN THE PENALTY BOX. (Maybe I didn't clarify it all the way through the post.) They never said anything about the signs or the antics or head stands ,scream, shout, or what ever else. Very simple and very reasonable. Don't touch the glass and don't talk to the players.
Finally, Slozo, if I want to wear and suit and tie to a hockey game, isn't that my prerogative? If I want to sit there arms cross and silent, that is again my prerogative. Does that make me any more or less of a fan that you or anyone else?? Maybe in your opinion. But last time I checked, your opinion is not the one that justifies the definition of a sports fan. I do not do what you assume I do, your tea time comments or what ever else. But if I did, what do you care??? You statement proves a very simple lesson I learned when I was a kid.
Opinions are like butt holes. Everyone has one, they all stink, yet people think their own smells like roses. |
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ToXXiK1
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/02/2011 : 10:47:38
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Originally posted by Beans15
I never said anything of what you are implying. If anyone would like take the time to actual read exactly what I wrote rather than making 'utterly ridiculous' assumptions, you might just have something logical or tangible to bring to the conversation.
Did I say, anywhere in my post, that fans could not touch the glass anywhere in the stadium?? I said penalty box, very clearly I might add. That is nothing new or different in any arena. That started back when that fan fell into the box after the 'conversation' with Domi where that fan took a very justified beating.
The NHL does not allow fans to get too involved with anyone in the penalty box or benches. Maybe some people have never sat in those seats before. At least in Edmonton, if you are sitting in a seat near the penalty box or players benches, you are warned to keep any interactions with the players tasteful or your will forfeit your seat. I have to assume that is not uncommon through the entire NHL.
Serious people, read exactly what I wrote. Can people not realize that the NHL is simply defining the "line?" Don't touch the glass and don't talk to the players IN THE PENALTY BOX. (Maybe I didn't clarify it all the way through the post.) They never said anything about the signs or the antics or head stands ,scream, shout, or what ever else. Very simple and very reasonable. Don't touch the glass and don't talk to the players.
Finally, Slozo, if I want to wear and suit and tie to a hockey game, isn't that my prerogative? If I want to sit there arms cross and silent, that is again my prerogative. Does that make me any more or less of a fan that you or anyone else?? Maybe in your opinion. But last time I checked, your opinion is not the one that justifies the definition of a sports fan. I do not do what you assume I do, your tea time comments or what ever else. But if I did, what do you care??? You statement proves a very simple lesson I learned when I was a kid.
Opinions are like butt holes. Everyone has one, they all stink, yet people think their own smells like roses.
Right back at ya:
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Beans15
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Posted - 05/02/2011 : 11:53:25
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Originally posted by ToXXiK1
So Beans, what's next? All patrons who bought tix against the glass can't pound on them either? Maybe snipers in the roof....
As I said, this is specific to then penalty box and this is nothing new. I don't think anyone can tell me the last time they watched the fans seated around the penalty box (or players box for that matter) banging on the glass and what ever else fans do in other areas of the ice while play is going on.
I am not even going to waste my time with the snipers on the roof comments as it is pointless. I am shocked at how over the top people took my comments to be.
Seriously, when was the past time you witnessed fans from your home stadium banging on the glass at the penalty box after a bad call or a fight or something like that???
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 05/02/2011 : 12:49:34
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This article says that the Nashville organization is denying it had anything to do with them. It also says it's more a safety thing, which i could understand. The problem i have with it is that they've allowed it to go on for over a year and a half and now suddenly they've decided it's gotta stop? That seems to make me think, denial or not, that the opposition likely had something to do about it.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Vancouver-Green-Men-Canucks-fans-fight-NHL-ban-?urn=nhl-wp3963
I can understand the banging on the penalty box bit, but interacting in any other way, including verbal (as long as it's not profanity laced tirades), imo is fine. I used to go to a lot of Vancouver Grizzlies games back in the day and we (my friend and i) would verbally abuse the other team all game long! As long as it was clean, and it was, we were never bothered by security!
The whole "green men" issue seems to be made worse due to the timing of this announcement. |
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Beans15
Moderator
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Posted - 05/02/2011 : 14:12:15
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Good point Alex and I don't think anyone is saying you have to sit there in your seat and not say or do anything. What I read into this situation is that the NHL did get some kind of complaint from the Preds(even if they are denying it) and they are doing something preventative rather than reactive.
We all watched the drama unfold when Domi was being verbally attacked in the penalty box by a fan. Domi then retaliated with the water evacuation to the face of the fan that then fell into the box trying to get to Domi. The NHL is trying to make sure something like that does not happen again by clearly defining the expectation and there is nothing wrong with that.
Finally, good on your Alex to be able to see this as what it is a not make a mountain out of a mole hill. It’s nice to see that not everyone sees the world as completely black and white. It’s nice to see that some don’t have to fly off the handle and react like it’s a travesty whenever the NHL does something, regardless of their intentions or expectations.
Heaven forbid the NHL do anything to keep order to the game and to ensure the safety of their players and their fans. Damn them for being responsible!!!
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 05/02/2011 : 14:36:45
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the more i read about it, the more i think good on the NHL to take action now rather than after a inciedent which is too often the case. I'm not saying the green men do anything wrong now, but in a potentially heated series who knows what could happen we have seen it before, So rather than have a problem with the fans and the players later, the NHL made the lines that were not to be crossed clear now before any lines are crossed, i'm sure the Green men keep doing exactly what they have been doing for the past years their won't be a problem but i see this as a warning to them and others that the line is drawn don't go any furthur,, For example Carrie's face on a sign wearing a nucks jersey is fine but the NHL saw this and said if some joker decideds to go too far with a players wife on a sign we should nip it in the butt before anything goes to far,,, personnally i am happy about this, not that i want things like the Green men to stop i just want this part of the game to stay tastefukk and good clean fun!
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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The Duke
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 05/02/2011 : 16:49:20
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| I`m with you Beans on this one...the green men are silly and child - like. Can you imagine sitting next to these clowns all night long with your kids along side of you ? I`d like to drive my steel toe boot up the green mans (*&^%$(#@( |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 05/02/2011 : 17:47:27
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| One thing i have noticed is a lot of people claiming they'd be pissed off sitting near them cuz they're always up blocking sight lines. That's actually not the case. While i've never sat right near them, i've been to many games with them in attendance and the only time they get up really is to bug the dude who got penalized. Once the play starts, they basically sit back down. I'm sure if they were bothering other fans and standing all the time, Canuck fan or not, would be complaining! Those are NOT cheap seats!!! Those are in the Club Seat section! |
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Posted - 05/03/2011 : 05:06:08
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Well, I guess you missed the humour in my tongue firmly in cheek diatribe against your (IMHO) prudish stance. No Beans, it's just fine if you wear a suit, and it's totally your right to drink tea between the second and third period if you wish. You even have the right to shush people, asking them to be quiet.
Just like any fan has a right to talk to the guy in the penalty box. Or slap on the glass if it's not overly violent. That fan has every right to do that, and they paid good money for that seat.
So the Green Men are silly and childlike? Coming from you Duke, that is a classic statement! Do you think mascots should be banned too? They would certainly fall under silly and childlike . . . and how about those between period things where they wear the fat suits and try to score goals against each other . . . that's silly and childlike too! Ban it all, right?*
Yeah . . . why would you want to get fans into the game? Why would you want to let fans express themselves? How terrible!*
Pasty - I agree that a line has to be drawn, and in general agree with your sentiment. But until the line IS crossed, why bother?
Beans - Domi was more than verbally attacked in the penalty box during that incident, he had water squirted on him, with a wild fan going nuts - shouting obscenities, exhibiting violent behaviour, and clearly drunk (well, it was in Philly). To try to make some sssssstttttttrrrreeeeeetttch by comparing the Green Men to this incident surpasses all previous stretches of argument you have attempted before.
Well done!*
*This is a comment that is to be taken "sarcastically", ie - the point stated is actually the opposite of what the writer actually wants or agrees with. It is used as a form of humour, often with exaggerations, to highlight a point of view.
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Beans15
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Posted - 05/03/2011 : 07:38:42
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Slozo, I think you can appreciate that sarcasm is not always easy to spot in the written word. Considering the opposing views we often have on things, I did mis-read your sarcasm. I apologize if I offended you in anyway. Touché, as you did get me going.
I still think a little something is missing here. We are talking specifically about the penalty box area. Fans have never been able to bang on the glass there. Engaging in conversations with the players?? Sure, but they are watching that area (and the players bench) far closer and do not allow the fans to bang on the glass on the penalty box or players bench. At least, I don't recall seeing it happen in the past 10-15 years.
Slozo, the Domi thing is a stretch on what the Green Dorks do and I am not saying they are one and the same. I was contrasting the situations as to what the extreme looks like (Domi against drunk fan) however that line of going to far and being a jovial and humorous fan is one that is very thin.
The NHL is just highlighting that line to ensure there is not an extreme situation. Personally, I applaud them for their proactive approach. We all know the NHL rare does anything proactively.
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Posted - 05/03/2011 : 09:57:46
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I think you mean the line can be blurry sometimes, and yeah - sometimes it can be.
Holding up a picture of your FAMOUS wife, with her in an opposing jersey, is not over the line in my opinion, and probably most others I am guessing. But the same thing with, say, a drawn axe stuck in her skull with blood coming out (on the picture) would definitely be over the line.
But really, I don't think the line is that blurry - heck, I am in the security business myself at this point, I have to deal with these blurry lines on a daily basis. And it is pretty simple, usually: that which endangers people or property, or that which is offensive to MOST PEOPLE, is wrong, and is almost always stopped.
I don't think the Green Men have come close to crossing this line . . . and Mike Fisher's wife has to expect that her celebrity (and good looks) will draw some attention because of her association with a key Predator. If she wasn't famous . . . the Green Guys wouldn't have done it, because no one would get the joke.
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Beans15
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Posted - 05/03/2011 : 11:15:47
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Agreed on all levels Slozo, however, are you not reading into this slightly?? The NHL's stipulations were simple. Don't talk to the players and don't touch the glass of the penalty box. I don't think anyone said the Greed Dorks crossed the line. But, as you are in security, I can only assume you often have to remind people where the line is so as they do not cross it and create a problem.
I don't think anyone said anything about holding up signs or pictures or anything else.
Don't touch the glass or talk to the players at the penalty box. No different than the rules at any other stadium for any other game. |
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Dastardly Bastard
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Posted - 05/03/2011 : 11:53:24
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| Fans have dressed up and heckled opposing players in most every sport since the inception of sport itself. The cry babying about the Green Men is nothing more than fans with a grudge and nothing substantial to whine about. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 05/03/2011 : 12:22:52
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Beans....i'm still lost on the fact that there's a rule "not to talk to the players"? If it's not profanity-laced, i see no reason you can't speak / yell at them?
Maybe we need more Marty Turco's? We all know he spoke to at least one fan! |
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OILINONTARIO
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/03/2011 : 12:30:27
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It's not unreasonable . . . to ask the fans . . . not to "touch" the glass? Not to talk to the guys in the penalty box? Are you for real?!?
That's TOTALLY unreasonable to assume that your perfect fan sits there, arms folded in lap, sipping his beer calmly while in his beauty seats near the front row. That is totally and utterly ridiculous, Beans.
EVERY rink has guys and gals right by the penalty box and benches that throw out comments, hold up signs, jeer, cheer, - you name it. It's part of being a hockey fan, and getting into the game to participate!
Do you wear a suit and tie to these hockey functions, Beans? When is tea time, between the second and third period? Do you hush people?
Crack a smile, dude! It's a couple of guys who love their team, and they dress up like crazy mascots and get the crowd revved up. What can possibly bug you about that?
It's not easy being green, you know!
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
I am confused.
Was this post meant to be sarcastic? Certainly doesn't seem that way to me.
Anyway, I am a Canuck hater, not only by nature, as an Oilers' fan, but because of a couple of d-bags I know who won't shut up about them (these are people I know personally, not anyone on PUH).
Naturally, this has led me to despise the obnoxious guys in the green leotards. What is this? Gamesmanship? Mascotry? A promotion of the game itself? Those who defend these two idiots in these ways confirm that Canucks' fans behave somewhat differently than the rest of us.
This doesn't happen anywhere else in the league (knock on wood), and I would be quite upset if this behaviour was ever allowed at Rexall, though I don't expect it ever would.
Having said that, let them do their crap until a legitimate complaint is registered. Let the fans of Vancouver be represented by these guys in every clip shown of them. Seems appropriate.
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Alex116
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Posted - 05/03/2011 : 14:04:11
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Originally posted by OILINONTARIO
Anyway, I am a Canuck hater, not only by nature, as an Oilers' fan, but because of a couple of d-bags I know who won't shut up about them (these are people I know personally, not anyone on PUH).
Naturally, this has led me to despise the obnoxious guys in the green leotards. What is this? Gamesmanship? Mascotry? A promotion of the game itself? Those who defend these two idiots in these ways confirm that Canucks' fans behave somewhat differently than the rest of us.
This doesn't happen anywhere else in the league (knock on wood), and I would be quite upset if this behaviour was ever allowed at Rexall, though I don't expect it ever would.
Having said that, let them do their crap until a legitimate complaint is registered. Let the fans of Vancouver be represented by these guys in every clip shown of them. Seems appropriate.
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2012.
I think the parts of your post that i bolded pretty much tell the story. You're an admitted Canucks hater and even said yourself that "..... this has led me to despise the obnoxious guys in the green leotards". Seems to me that this implies that it's because these green dudes (or "dorks" as Beans prefers to call them) are affilitated with a team you hate, you hate them? So, if they were fans of some other team you either like or don't hate, they'd be okay? Pretty much what you're saying.
Are these guys any worse than "the fat dancing guy" who pops up in various arenas? You know, the disgustingly obese dude in a tank top dancing in the aisles between whistles? Or how 'bout cheerleaders? Are they any better/worse? Mascots??? You get the idea i'm sure.....
As for Rexall, is there a reason you know of that this sort of thing couldn't happen? Aside from these dudes freezing their nuts off en route to the game maybe, i see no reason they wouldn't be allowed in any arena. Hopefully they don't ban them from the Nashville rink that they've flown to for tonights game!!!
To say that "Those who defend these two idiots in these ways confirm that Canucks' fans behave somewhat differently than the rest of us." is really shallow and unproven. Get off your high horse OIO, while i don't really care one way or the other about these green guys, your comments regarding Canucks fans and the way they're represented is really pretty pathetic. 
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Posted - 05/03/2011 : 15:05:52
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| Man are you oiler fans babies, wah wah wah wah wah ......oh and by the way it has caught on did you not see the 3 orange man in anaheim during their series with nashville? |
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Posted - 05/03/2011 : 16:24:08
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Originally posted by Beans15
I never said anything of what you are implying. If anyone would like take the time to actual read exactly what I wrote rather than making 'utterly ridiculous' assumptions, you might just have something logical or tangible to bring to the conversation.
Did I say, anywhere in my post, that fans could not touch the glass anywhere in the stadium?? I said penalty box, very clearly I might add. That is nothing new or different in any arena. That started back when that fan fell into the box after the 'conversation' with Domi where that fan took a very justified beating.
The NHL does not allow fans to get too involved with anyone in the penalty box or benches. Maybe some people have never sat in those seats before. At least in Edmonton, if you are sitting in a seat near the penalty box or players benches, you are warned to keep any interactions with the players tasteful or your will forfeit your seat. I have to assume that is not uncommon through the entire NHL.
Serious people, read exactly what I wrote. Can people not realize that the NHL is simply defining the "line?" Don't touch the glass and don't talk to the players IN THE PENALTY BOX. (Maybe I didn't clarify it all the way through the post.) They never said anything about the signs or the antics or head stands ,scream, shout, or what ever else. Very simple and very reasonable. Don't touch the glass and don't talk to the players.
Finally, Slozo, if I want to wear and suit and tie to a hockey game, isn't that my prerogative? If I want to sit there arms cross and silent, that is again my prerogative. Does that make me any more or less of a fan that you or anyone else?? Maybe in your opinion. But last time I checked, your opinion is not the one that justifies the definition of a sports fan. I do not do what you assume I do, your tea time comments or what ever else. But if I did, what do you care??? You statement proves a very simple lesson I learned when I was a kid.
Opinions are like butt holes. Everyone has one, they all stink, yet people think their own smells like roses.
uptight leafs fan.. there's none of those in vancouver or in montreal! |
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The Duke
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Posted - 05/03/2011 : 16:58:46
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Actually i enjoy team mascots Slozo. How you can compare team mascots to those annoying green men is beyond me, guess we all see things in a diffrent way.
The job of a team mascot is to rally the fans and create a pleasureable atmosphere in the stadium / rink etc...
How those green men do this is beyond me....all i see them do is slither around like morons with their leotards up their a$$ and other places unsightly for young children.....and stomach sickening for the eyes of the Heterosexual.  |
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Beans15
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Posted - 05/03/2011 : 18:51:43
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Couple of things:
-Slozo will pay for each time some meatball calls me a Leafs fan. I am counting.
-Although OilfaninOntario is an admitted Canuck hater, he has a very valid point that no other stadium(at least I am aware of) have fans of this nature that are known for their antics towards other teams. Not specific fans like the Green Dorks anyway. Prove me wrong on this, please.
-Anyone can have what ever high horse they want. If someone wants to dog Canucks fans for supporting these tools, that is their opinion. It may be your opinion to support these fine, upstanding fans in green leotards. You can't say someone should get off their high horse simple because they disagree with what you are saying on your high horse. What is that greek philosopher’s name??? Hipowhat??
-Did I say that Slozo will pay for this??????
-Alex, finally, how many times do I have to say 'penalty box" before people read it. There is a specific and defined difference in the expectation of fans around the penalty box and players box than any other place in the arena. Like it or not, it is there. No one has been able to prove other wise. No one is saying keep your mouth shut. Just don't talk smack or touch the glass at the penalty box.
Get it??
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 05/03/2011 : 20:14:25
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Originally posted by Beans15
Couple of things:
-Although OilfaninOntario is an admitted Canuck hater, he has a very valid point that no other stadium(at least I am aware of) have fans of this nature that are known for their antics towards other teams. Not specific fans like the Green Dorks anyway. Prove me wrong on this, please.
Never said there were any other "specific fans" in other arena's so if that comment was directed at me, it's way off. I simply said that his saying that he's a Canuck hater AND then saying THAT'S what had led him to hate the Green Guys says enough to take his opinion for what it's worth.....nuthin'! It's pretty obvious that most fans who despise a team will hate pretty much everything to do with them. Hate-on the "LUUU" chant, hate-on the Green Men, etc, etc. because you're a Canuck hater, i get it. It's just that when someone says outright he hates the Green Men BECAUSE of his hatred of the Canucks really has a closed mind opinion on the debate at hand, that being, should these guys be allowed to do what they do. Get it?
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Originally posted by Beans15
-Anyone can have what ever high horse they want. If someone wants to dog Canucks fans for supporting these tools, that is their opinion. It may be your opinion to support these fine, upstanding fans in green leotards. You can't say someone should get off their high horse simple because they disagree with what you are saying on your high horse. What is that greek philosopher’s name??? Hipowhat??
You're actually very wrong here. I can in fact tell someone to get off their high horse, in fact, i did earlier today. It's not a personal attack, it's just a saying. Pretty sure that's not against forum rules. Had i said what i really wanted to about what he said, then surely that would have broken the rules. 
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Originally posted by Beans15
-Alex, finally, how many times do I have to say 'penalty box" before people read it. There is a specific and defined difference in the expectation of fans around the penalty box and players box than any other place in the arena. Like it or not, it is there. No one has been able to prove other wise. No one is saying keep your mouth shut. Just don't talk smack or touch the glass at the penalty box.
Get it??
Get what? How is this directed at me? Because i said "i'm still lost on the fact that there's a rule "not to talk to the players"?? I love how in your quote above, you make it seem like all you're talking about is banging on the glass. You clearly just said, "No one is saying keep your mouth shut." when earlier today you said:
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Originally posted by Beans15
The NHL's stipulations were simple. Don't talk to the players and don't touch the glass of the penalty box.
Your earlier quote says "don't talk to the players". I mention i'm surprised that's not allowed. You follow with "no one's saying keep your mouth shut, blah, blah, blah...." and it's ME, who doesn't "get it"? Sheesh.....
Becoming a Leaf fan is starting to take it's toll i think? |
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Guest7931
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Posted - 05/03/2011 : 20:16:18
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I'm an Oilers fan and I find myself agreeing with Alex.
I'm guessing that certain Oiler fans would think it was cool if it was the other way around. (Oiler fans dressed up like the men in green taunting opposing players in the penalty box.)
I especially agree with Alex's comments about the shallowness of certain "fans." To really believe that one team's fans are somehow inferior (or superior) to another team's fans is actually quite myopic. It's kinda like the fans who think all of "their" players are good guys who can do no harm, while players on the opposing teams are all bad guys. I don't get it, but I don't really care too much either. (Well, maybe I care just enough to spend two minutes making this posting!) |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 05/03/2011 : 21:27:17
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| looks like its spreading - I'm sure I saw some "orange men" at the PHI/BOS game the other night, and did I catch a "yellow man" in NSH tonight? |
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OILINONTARIO
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/04/2011 : 14:39:03
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Originally posted by Alex116
It's not a personal attack, it's just a saying. Pretty sure that's not against forum rules. Had i said what i really wanted to about what he said, then surely that would have broken the rules.
Go for it, friend. I don't apologize for my opinions, and maintain that this phenomenon is isolated in Vancouver. You have a beautiful city, and a talented NHL team, but I don't like guys in green leotards who harass opposing teams' players in the penalty box, and don't understand those who find it tolerable and/or entertaining.
I also don't understand why you thought you had to point out that my hatred for the Canucks skewed my opinion on this issue. I clearly stated that myself. What's the big deal? People are allowed to hate the Leafs, and that's it? Rarely do I see such huffing and puffing over trash talk. I guess there will be plenty more after the playoffs, though.
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2012. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 05/04/2011 : 15:00:15
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OIO....my whole point was that you said yourself, that the reason you hate the green men is because you hate the Canucks. This hatred also skews your opinion on pretty much everything else to do with the conversation. That's all, no biggie. It's just that when a post is thrown out there to discuss and share peoples opinions on, yours is somewhat unworthy when you consider your admitted hatred.
It's be like me saying i think the Oilers are a clown outfit for hiring young girls as cheerleaders and then admitting that the ONLY reason i feel that way is because i hate the Oilers.
**FTR, i don't hate the Oilers, and i could care less about the cheerleaders. I was just making an example you might easily understand. |
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Vancouver "green men" draw ire of NHL 
