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Beans15
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 Posted - 07/22/2011 : 11:45:48
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It was reported on TSN that Alexei Yashin and his agent have been in talks with Garth Snow about a return to Long Island this season. This brings up a few interesting questions:
1) Do you think Yashin being added to the roster would help or hurt the young Islanders??
2) What are your thoughts on the structure of a potential deal with the knowledge that Yashin was originally under contract with the Islanders and they bought out the final 4 years of his $87.5 million/ 10 year deal. The buy out ($2.2 million per season) will hit the Islanders cap through the 14/15 season??
I don't believe a player has ever been bought out to return to the same team. This is an NHL first but not much of a surprise considering the Islanders are involved.
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Alex116
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Posted - 07/22/2011 : 12:00:50
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| Beans, i read a rumour that it's quite likely a ploy by Yashin and his agent for negotiations for a new deal in the KHL? Not sure how valid the rumour is, but imo, it make more sense than Yashin coming back to the Isles? I can't see how a guy like him could be anything but bad for this current Islanders team. |
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Guest4312
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Posted - 07/22/2011 : 12:17:23
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Originally posted by Alex116
I can't see how a guy like him could be anything but bad for this current Islanders team.
agreed. not sure why they would want him they already have a solid lockeroom distraction dipietro locked up for the next 10 yrs |
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foolpittier
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Posted - 07/22/2011 : 13:30:09
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fat_elvis_rocked
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Canada
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Posted - 07/22/2011 : 13:36:39
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This seems as goofy a situation as Garth Snow could have ever gotten himself in to.
I wonder about a couple things, if the Isles bought him out, but still have to take the cap hit, does he then have to pay back the buyout, before negotiating a new contract?
Or does he have the ability to keep the buyout cash, AND get a new contract( I know in the real world, one can get a severance and then get hired back on in a consulting role, but not sure how it would work in this situation).
Also, is he able to negotiate with any other team, or is he still property of the Isles, since his contract was bought out?
Confusing to say the least, much like the last few years of this toolshed's career. I wish the Isles and the NHLPA would step up and put this in it's perspective. 'You were under contract, you left, come back when the obligation runs it's course, until then, no Isles, no NHL, not playing for the money already paid in the buyout, no NHL.
There is no way he would help this team IMHO. He was a selfish player then, and I don't think this latest BS proves he's anything otherwise now.
Of course, all that said, if there is a GM willing to do the unthinkable, Snow would be your huckleberry. |
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Guest4086
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Posted - 07/22/2011 : 13:57:22
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Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
Also, is he able to negotiate with any other team, or is he still property of the Isles, since his contract was bought out?
Elvis, once a team buys you out of a contract you are free to sign with any team you wish. see Darcy Tucker & Andrew Raycroft after the Leafs bought them out.
it makes no sense for the Isle's to explore this option nonetheless. there are still other more viable UFA's out there that are 10 times the player Yashin could be. not sure what they're thinkin' here. |
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Guest4312
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Posted - 07/22/2011 : 14:13:41
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to me it makes sense that if they want him back (under the circumstances he is bought out until 2014) they should have to honour the original contract... obviously not the case but i think if they want him to play for them they should have to pay the 8.5 million or w/e it was they originally gave him.
and maybe the islanders who have one of the lowest cap hits are just trying to make the floor and stay as a brutal team so they can get draft picks. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 07/22/2011 : 15:27:03
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Elvis, i also read his agent had said they'd had more than one offer from NHL teams? Leads me to believe he's free to sign anywhere, IF ANYONE really would want him?
Heck, even at the league min, i'd steer clear of this guy! |
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99pickles
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Posted - 07/22/2011 : 16:51:18
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Since his contract was bought out, there is no further obligation between him and the Islanders, one way or the other.
But It would certainly be bizarre for a team to re-sign a player they had previously bought out!
I agree as well that this guy is poison...why anyone would want to touch him is obviously poor judgement. |
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Oilearl
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Posted - 07/22/2011 : 18:14:18
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| If true what a Gong show...... somebody gong Yashin and let's move on he has nothing to offer based on his past antics |
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Guest2597
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Posted - 07/27/2011 : 10:42:30
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If the Islanders signed Yashin, then the Canucks might as well bring Pavel Bure out of retirement. And then Theoren Fleury should attempt a comeback to gain publicity to boost sales of his book. Wait...
Seriiously absurd though, especially considering his amount of success he had with the Islanders in the past, or lack thereof. I don't know what they're expecting. |
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The Duke
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Posted - 07/27/2011 : 20:24:00
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If Garth Snow brings back Yashin it will be the beginning of his downfall in long island. What a lazy a$$ player, bring in Kovalev along with him, call them the sleepy line. |
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Posted - 07/28/2011 : 09:49:34
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I don't guys . . . I think Yashin might not be as bad as everyone says he will be. He does have high end skill, and on a team that might do somewhat poorly, he will simply be asked for offence, which will help him.
And look at it this way: he certainly is playing for something here. He came back for a reason - to try to play his way back into the best league in the world, and perhaps make some more dough. It's a strong motivation.
I say he's good for 45 points at least, if he plays second line and gets his minutes. He certainly won't tear it up or anything, but . . . the potential for a decent season STATISTICALLY - goals and assists - is there.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/28/2011 : 10:42:40
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I agree with Slozo here, I don't see this as a particularly big deal - other than the fact that its never been done before. NYI is not going to break the bank to get him, he's likely motivated to play, and will probably be good for a decent number of points as a second line centre, esp considering the supporting cast that NYI offers right now.
Despite being vilified, Yashin was actually a pretty prolific scorer back in the day - several 80+ point seasons early in his career, and nearly PPG over his entire NHL career. Even in his last year in NY, after which he was run out of town, he had 50 pts in 58 games playing with a whole pile of nobody. So he can produce.
And hey, if you're the GM of NYI and an NHL-calibre, 6'3/230lb centre capable of significant point production comes knocking on your door asking if he can play for you, you don't necessarily get picky. A 1yr/2M deal would be a good signing for NYI here, he'd be a great 2nd line centre for them.
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/28/2011 : 11:57:04
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In the grand scheme of things, the past is irrelevant. The question is what kind of contract would be reasonable for a player of Yashin's caliber and can he help a team? I would say yes to the later as he was once a prolific scorer and has been in the KHL for some time. He would be worth it to a team needed a little more offense.
What would the contract be is the tougher question. I know if I bought out a player, I would never bring him back. I don't think I could justify paying someone to play at the same time as paying out that same person to not play.
Regardless, I think this point is nearly moot. Rolston was traded today to NYI for Hunter. I think Rolston brings as much or more to the table as Yashin would. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/28/2011 : 15:14:59
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Regardless, I think this point is nearly moot. Rolston was traded today to NYI for Hunter. I think Rolston brings as much or more to the table as Yashin would.
I think Yashin is still on NYI radar, regardless of the Rolston move - they acquired him just to get near the floor, and have a ways to go yet. I don't think that Rolston brings the same as Yashin at all - besides having some size, he is not as offensively gifted a player as Yashin. And at 5M a year, he's certainly costing more than Yashin would to NYI.
As for contract, I think if you're going to sign him you make him earn it. I suggested a 1yr at 2-2.5M, which would be consistent with other KHL refugees looking for another shot in the NHL after leaving. |
Edited by - nuxfan on 07/28/2011 15:17:08 |
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Guest4312
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Posted - 07/28/2011 : 15:22:27
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Originally posted by nuxfan
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I suggested a 1yr at 2-2.5M, which would be consistent with other KHL refugees looking for another shot in the NHL after leaving.
lol AKA jagr? |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/28/2011 : 16:20:27
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lol AKA jagr?
I was more referring to the term, not the amount. A 1 year deal, to see if he's really interested. Fill in whatever dollar amount you think is appropriate - 2-2.5M seems more than reasonable for a player capable of 50-60 points a season. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 07/28/2011 : 16:55:45
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I dunno, the guy was supposedly a real tool in the dressing room, not often motivated, etc. I don't see how a guy with a lazy reputation can be good for a young, building team like the Isle. 45 points? You can get that from most 2nd line centers around the league! I still don't think he's worth the headache and i still believe he's looking for leverage back in the KHL.
I don't think he ends up in North America myself. But i've been wrong before of course! |
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Posted - 07/29/2011 : 04:33:40
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Originally posted by Alex116
I dunno, the guy was supposedly a real tool in the dressing room, not often motivated, etc. I don't see how a guy with a lazy reputation can be good for a young, building team like the Isle. 45 points? You can get that from most 2nd line centers around the league! I still don't think he's worth the headache and i still believe he's looking for leverage back in the KHL.
I don't think he ends up in North America myself. But i've been wrong before of course!
No one is disagreeing about what kind of dressing room guy Yashin is, or about his laziness/work ethic.
But some here have written him off as though he was not even able to play in the league, and I would guess that this is quite incorrect.
We'll see . . . it's been pretty quiet lately.
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Guest4312
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Posted - 08/03/2011 : 15:32:42
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| something i thought of today, maybe they sign yashin as bait for their younger players to produce. if an old washed up player is getting playing time over a young up and comer it could be motivation to play better. |
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