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fly4apuckguy
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 Posted - 04/25/2007 : 22:19:44
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Why is he on his knees? It's called having a low centre of gravity. It's about shifting balance and changing his velocity to adapt to the pass, too. You may argue this, but anyone who has played the game and played it well knows this is 100% correct.
He does it because he is adept at doing it and because he is the single best talent to hit the NHL since Mario Lemieux, and maybe even better. Marian Hossa doesn't do it because he is not as good as Sid. Heatley is not as good as Sid, and he doesn't do it either. In fact, no one does. Why? See previous answers.
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Saku Steen
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 04/26/2007 : 03:36:07
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
Why is he on his knees? It's called having a low centre of gravity. It's about shifting balance and changing his velocity to adapt to the pass, too. You may argue this, but anyone who has played the game and played it well knows this is 100% correct.
He does it because he is adept at doing it and because he is the single best talent to hit the NHL since Mario Lemieux, and maybe even better. Marian Hossa doesn't do it because he is not as good as Sid. Heatley is not as good as Sid, and he doesn't do it either. In fact, no one does. Why? See previous answers.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. - Gretz
On TSN they said he does it because if the puck gets by him, he'll still get it in his body.
I've figured it out, the guys gotta play like girls! |
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willus3
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Posted - 04/26/2007 : 06:35:59
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Originally posted by Saku Steen
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
Why is he on his knees? It's called having a low centre of gravity. It's about shifting balance and changing his velocity to adapt to the pass, too. You may argue this, but anyone who has played the game and played it well knows this is 100% correct.
He does it because he is adept at doing it and because he is the single best talent to hit the NHL since Mario Lemieux, and maybe even better. Marian Hossa doesn't do it because he is not as good as Sid. Heatley is not as good as Sid, and he doesn't do it either. In fact, no one does. Why? See previous answers.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. - Gretz
On TSN they said he does it because if the puck gets by him, he'll still get it in his body.
I've figured it out, the guys gotta play like girls!
Wow, I guess I should be a TSN analyst. See my first post on this. 
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 04/26/2007 : 08:28:47
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I HATE CROSBY
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 04/26/2007 : 18:32:59
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
Here is a list of guys on TSN that know more about hockey than I do:
HAHAHAHAHAHAH...so true man, so true, those guys on TSN know crap!
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Guest2882
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Posted - 04/26/2007 : 19:33:17
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You guys that hate Crosby remind me of the idiots who hated Bobby Orr in his hayday and Gretzky in his. Now they are Canadian icons. The guy is an unbelievable talent who thinks the game, sees the ice makes his teammates better players, and has an understanding of the game well beyond his, your and my years. His few "whinning" momments are the result of having huge expectations to meet(surpassed) on and off the ice. Expectations and composer that most grown men can't hold a candle to .... never mind the fact that he is 19..... when the non believers " have a few birthdays" they'll realize how good he is for the game.
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I HATE CROSBY
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 04/26/2007 : 20:54:41
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Look, I just think that a teenager should shut their mouth out there...When you people are starting a new job, you don't go around calling the shots right away do you? You have to pay your dues before running around shooting your mouth off...Wait a minute, the guys who have paid their dues are usally a little too mature to shoot there mouth off......
Spezza over sid in a heartbeat, that guy has always been a cool customer and is easily my favorite young atar.
Sugar Ray over Hasek any day! |
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Saku Steen
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 04/27/2007 : 03:35:03
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Originally posted by I HATE CROSBY
Look, I just think that a teenager should shut their mouth out there...When you people are starting a new job, you don't go around calling the shots right away do you? You have to pay your dues before running around shooting your mouth off...Wait a minute, the guys who have paid their dues are usally a little too mature to shoot there mouth off......
Not if you pretty much run the league.... which Sid does
I've figured it out, the guys gotta play like girls! |
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Novie
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Posted - 04/27/2007 : 05:12:54
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Originally posted by I HATE CROSBY
Spezza over sid in a heartbeat, that guy has always been a cool customer and is easily my favorite young atar.
Sugar Ray over Hasek any day!
First off, you're the first Leafs fan to ever back anything sens-related...coming to your senses?
Spezza was always whining about different things though...being sent down every playoff....not getting playing time...etc. So he worked on his defensive game, and now Murray is playing Alfie-Spez-Heatley in one-goal games.
Sid's whining about things that can't be fixed on his own, thgouh hard work. And it has definitely gotten better, you have to admit.
Go Sens
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Posted - 04/27/2007 : 06:02:39
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I was watching last days thriller between T.O. and the jokes and I couldn't help but notice sid spends as much time on his knees during a game as he does after the game(how else can you explain that lipstick he wears hahahahaha). Ever shot he took he was always taking a knee.. I don't understand this. Is he just trying to get H.O.N. every game? He is such a show-boat . I will give him props for that kick to the stick goal...even though he wound up on his knees(he did get tripped up there)......But it just looks pathetic having him diving around everywhere.
I HATE CROSBY
if you had the chance to have the privelage to meet such a prodogy you would be on your knees |
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Posted - 04/27/2007 : 06:09:07
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Originally posted by Beans15
I watched part of the game as well. I noticed one point in the game, Pitt was no the offensive, and they lost the put behind the net and as Toronto was clearing the zone, Crosby got bumped and was on his ass beside the net. He swiped at an imaginary puck on the ice and pouted like a little 6 year old.
It was funny.
At the same time he makes everyone on the ice look like they are six years old, Crosby is the teacher of this new game and everyone else on the ice look like students. You may think he acts like he is six but he sure makes everyone else look like they are six, buddy. |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 04/27/2007 : 08:24:16
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Here's a question that never gets answered... Sid is called a whiner by some... What is it that makes him a whiner?
In my experience, the guys who call him a whiner are the ones that only watch the highlight packages and see the very odd time he is arguing with a ref or embellishing a hit (which of course no one else in the NHL ever does - yeah right). The rest of the game (which you haters seem to conveniently disregard, I presume because you have rarely actually watched him play), he is making hits, taking hits, making plays, and working hard.
To me, this situation very much like the people who read the National Enquirer and think they have a handle on how celebrities are living their lives. It's not real, but it's easier than the truth, because it makes for a better story and you don't even have to have knowledge, just a completely unfounded opinion.
Actually watch Sid play. Then tell me how he allegedly tries to run things and tell the older guys what to do, etc. As a fan who has watched over 90% of his games, I know this semi-popular hater's representation of him just plain wrong. He's intense on a different level than any other player, but that's why he is the next super-super star of this generation. Maybe it's not sexy, the truth, but it is the truth. Sorry to rain on your controversy parade, but I could say Sakic is the most despised player in the league. Does that mean it must be true?
So I return to my original question. What makes Sid a whiner? And no generalities, I want actual examples. If you have a point don't be lazy. Do some research. Good luck.
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I HATE CROSBY
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 04/27/2007 : 16:10:44
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Fly4apuck guy...I assume you didn't watch the Sens penns series the....He was bitching to linesmen about offsides!!!!! if that isn't a whiner, I don't know what is
And every stoppage in play in that series should sid Yelling at a ref........I watched every minute of that series and all I saw was a mediocre performance from him, and him bitching...I think you only watch TSN's highlight packages if you don't think he's a bitch.....
BTW, I have loved the Sens for a long time (1996), they always have dope players.
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andyhack
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 04/27/2007 : 16:17:05
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Sorry, this is going to be general point, not because I am trying to put down fly4apuckguy's question, just because I actually am feeling a bit lazy tonight. The point is this - I think, for the most part, with very few exceptions, people near the highest level of their sport, are whiney (if I am not mistaken you may have mentioned this somewhere else). God knows my other favorite sport, tennis, has an endless line of whiners who have reached the top, Martina Navritilova being a prime example. I remember an excuse for one of her rare losses having something to do with catfood for instance.
The thing is though, there actually are a few exceptions. I could be wrong but I don't remember Lafleur whining all that much. Nor Bourque. I am not saying this to put down guys like Gretzky, Lemieux and Crosby, cause they are the norm for guys with their drive to succeed. But I am saying that we should really respect the exceptions who had just as much drive to succeed but managed to do so with relatively little whining, and therefore, in my opinion, a little more class.
Sorry for the generalities, but I wanted to make that point.
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fly4apuckguy
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Posted - 04/27/2007 : 21:51:20
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I see where you are coming from, andyhack, I really do. I don't disagree with you. I'd modify your statement about great players to "intense players" though. Bourque was a great player, but you would never say he was intense. Nor was Lafleur. Nor is Sakic or Sundin. All great players though.
Perhaps it made them more classy, as you put it, but these guys have all been criticized at various times in their careers for lacking drive (earlier in their careers, mostly). Not that they did, but they all gave the impression that they cared a bit less than some of the other guys. If Bourque had not gone to the Avs, I don't think he would ever have won a Cup, and his legacy would be akin to that of Dan Marino's.
Some guys like Sid play with an edge (Messier, Shanahan, Neely to name a few), and yes they complained a lot early in their careers too, but they are all super-popular players whom no one questions in terms of heart or desire. I think Sid is justified for a lot that he complains about. He's constantly under scrutiny by everyone, and the opposing team's strategy is to shut him down by any means necessary. Sometimes, he is hit ilegally and no calls are made. I believe it is because the refs in the NHL dislike his complaining, and feel he hasn't paid his dues yet. I can admit that, and I probably understand it on some level.
Sid is different because he combines Gretzky-like skill with the heart of a guy like Messier. I'm not sure anyone has ever had this before (Gordie Howe, close maybe, but he was more Mess and less Gretz).
In a few years, we'll forget we ever had this conversation, I bet. In Bruce Hood's book (he was a ref in the 70's and 80's), he said the only players he ever truly disliked were Wayne Cashman and Wayne Gretzky, because they complained so much. Certainly, that is not Gretz's legacy now, as it will not be Crosby's in twenty years either.
And then IHC will need another superstar to trendily dislike in order to compensate for his own shortcomings.
May I suggest, "I Hate Tavares"?
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. - Gretz |
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Posted - 04/28/2007 : 01:40:35
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andyhack
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Posted - 04/28/2007 : 04:20:35
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7:15 a.m. thoughts in response to fly4apuckguy's last post:
1. Why am I doing this at 7:15 a.m. on a Saturday morning?
2. In another thread with Beans, the one about Best Swedes as I recall, the topic drifted from Sundin to Bourque, and kind of related to this "legacy" question, and in particular the "You gotta win a Cup before you'll be considered great" way of thinking. I know your comment was about "intensity", but if you can, take a look at my thoughts there. Basically, I think Bourque is the ultimate example of the flaw in the, "You gotta have a Cup" way of thinking, and that, ironically, his finally winning a Cup shows this flaw and shows why the concept of "legacy" is actually quite an overrated concept. What a player is/was in actuality always interests me more than how the player is/was perceived by the public. In my opinion, Bourque always was, in actuality, "great", Cup or no Cup. And, now to the main point, I'd argue that he always was, in actuality, in his own way, very intense. I don't think Gretzky wanted to win any more than Bourque did. So I don't really see a distinction there when it comes to the whining question. To me the distinction related to their personalities, and in particular, how they chose to express their intensity.
3. None of my comments are to say that I don't admire Crosby's skill and grit combination. And I admired Gretzky in certain ways too. Also, I agree with you that Crosby is under a lot of scrutiny and that some of the things he whines about are justified. Still, it is a bit excessive at times and it's that excessive whining that makes me lose a little respect for guys like Crosby and Gretzky.
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sjtrufan
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Posted - 04/28/2007 : 05:27:10
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I think Crosby has the potential to be a great player but he has alot of growing up to do. Yeah he's good but he is not an impact player yet. (If he was the Pens would still be in the playoffs) The fact the people compare him to Gretzky is absolutley sac religious. He has yet to prove himself, no one knows what he is going to do next season and until he actually acomplishes something people need to take him off any pedastal
Losers always whine about doing their best, Winners go home and F*** the Prom Queen - Sean Connery (The Rock) |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 05/01/2007 : 10:45:09
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Originally posted by sjtrufan
I think Crosby has the potential to be a great player but he has alot of growing up to do. Yeah he's good but he is not an impact player yet. (If he was the Pens would still be in the playoffs) The fact the people compare him to Gretzky is absolutley sac religious. He has yet to prove himself, no one knows what he is going to do next season and until he actually acomplishes something people need to take him off any pedastal
I guess winning the league scoring title is nothing. I guess being the youngest player ever to that is nothing. I guess being the youngest player in any pro sport to do that is nothing. As for the playoff thing, he's in his second year, bud. No one takes the team all the way in their second year. Not Gretzky, not Mario, not anyone.
As for Bourque, I'm not sure where you live, Andyhack, but in Canada he is not an overly popular player, mainly because he didn't always answer the call when it came to international competition (World Cups, Olympics). He was always a great player, but to call him intense or passionate may be pushing it. Cam Neely was the heart and soul of those great Bruins teams of the late 80's and early 90's, not Bourque.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. - Gretz |
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andyhack
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Posted - 05/01/2007 : 16:39:41
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fly4apuckguy - I guess we're veering off topic with our Bourque comments so I am going to make a new poll, or maybe even two, in the next few minutes. But in my opinion it is possible for more than one player to be the heart and soul of a team.
More to the point of this thread, one of the things I was trying to say in my last post, pertaining to your defence of Crosby's whining, was that there are some rare players who can, in their own quiet and understated way, be "intense" and, to use your new expression, be the "heart and soul" of their team. Was Lafleur not the heart and soul of the Habs? Was he not, IN HIS OWN WAY, "intense" in the third period of Game 7 of the '79 semis against the Bruins?
Don't get me wrong though, as I said last time, I think most stars whine so I am not really all that down on Gretzky and Crosby for doing so (though, personally, I must say that it was a major reason that I never became a fan of Gretzky). But I do think that there is more than enough praise out there for guys like Crosby and Gretzky, so when they do exhibit some basic flaws in their character, they should be called on it, rather than just dismissing it to "intensity". Otherwise, you miss the value of the character of a guy like Lafleur who managed to play out a career as a superstar without a whole lot of whining.
p.s. I live in Toronto by the way - more on that in one of my next polls regarding Bourque not always playing for Canada |
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Guest7060
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Posted - 05/01/2007 : 17:05:24
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Looks like I struck a nerve with a few people.
Firstly, I do believe that there are better "players" in the league than Crosby. I do think he is one of the top three best "scorers" in the league. There are huge differences between the two. I would easily take all of the other guys I mentioned over Crosby in every category of hockey except scoring. And none of those guys are slouches at scoring either.
And of course the "reporters" would lambaste a guy for trading Crosby. Most of the reporters think Crosby can walk on water and he will die carrying a cross.
Secondly, I don't like him through association. I explained that very clearly. I am not reaching for anything. Talent wise, he is amazing offensively. If he says healthy, he will be one of the most prolific scorers in history. If he matures and learns some defensive play, he will be one of the best players ever. He is not there yet, and that will not make me like him. I give him the respect offensively(not defensively or as a complete player), but I don't have to like him.
A comment was made about a player who plays on the edge being on the ice more than others. I agree, but I don’t think that show that a player is more talented or has to play like that. I don't often see guys like Heatley, Jagr, or Sakic on their butts unless they are hit. And in the past, did you often see Lemieux, Messier, or Gretzky on their respective behinds on the ice or on their knees unless they were knocked down?? I didn't.
And finally, the comment about a player being much better and challenging himself by playing from their knees or whatever. That is ridiculous. And there is no way that Crosby is that good. He's not. Not today anyway. So if he is doing that, it makes him a meatball.
i dunno, maybe its me, but i find it kinda funny how ppl always try to bring someone down when they are put on a pedastil. it aint crosbys fault that hes good, hes naturally gifted, and it aint his fault that hes always in the news, thats the medias fault. maybe a few of us are just jealous that hes done more than us at 19 then our whole lives combined. or maybe ppl are just jealous that he aint on there team. im sure if he were on the leafs, hed be praised as a god, kinda like tie domi. |
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I HATE CROSBY
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Posted - 05/01/2007 : 22:47:01
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This is for guest 7060 and ppl who make calls like his........
First of all the "not sids fault he's good" call is dumb, I am sure it IS his fault he's good...I am gonna defend Sid slightly here, and say for the most part he is good because of hard work, talent can only take you so far, I mean, if all he had talent and no work ethic, then I am sure he would have quit hockey once he saw a 5:30 am practice on his hockey scheduel...Sid does work hard, and for that, I doft my hat, but I do hate him....
And the call that really bugs me is the "jealous" one.....I like Sergio Garcia, and he was a young prodigy (kinda bad now, but he did something as big Sid when he was 19)..For me at least, it's all about how Sid conducts himself on and off the ice....I like to cheer for standup guys (or at least animated guys)...Sid is bitch, and unless I am at a Kennel Club, I don't plan on cheering for bitches.
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fly4apuckguy
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Posted - 05/08/2007 : 07:47:30
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Originally posted by I HATE CROSBY
This is for guest 7060 and ppl who make calls like his........
First of all the "not sids fault he's good" call is dumb, I am sure it IS his fault he's good...I am gonna defend Sid slightly here, and say for the most part he is good because of hard work, talent can only take you so far, I mean, if all he had talent and no work ethic, then I am sure he would have quit hockey once he saw a 5:30 am practice on his hockey scheduel...Sid does work hard, and for that, I doft my hat, but I do hate him....
And the call that really bugs me is the "jealous" one.....I like Sergio Garcia, and he was a young prodigy (kinda bad now, but he did something as big Sid when he was 19)..For me at least, it's all about how Sid conducts himself on and off the ice....I like to cheer for standup guys (or at least animated guys)...Sid is bitch, and unless I am at a Kennel Club, I don't plan on cheering for bitches.
Sugar Ray over Hasek any day!
Blah blah blah blah....
Again with the Sid's a whiner bit. Give it up already. I have never once seen you use actual circumstances to support your case, other than the three second snippets you get off of SportsCentre (which is probably the only non-Canuck hockey you ever watch).
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I HATE CROSBY
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Posted - 05/08/2007 : 18:53:16
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First off, I am a leafs fan first and foremost, not a Nucks fan. You must have selective reading flyforapuckguy. I explained that every time the camera was on him during that Sens series, he was whining...I could write a novel on "actual circumstances" just from that series. EVERY FREAKING WHISTLE he'd run to a ref!
You know, I think I have done a substaintially better job of conveying Crosby is a joke, than you and Pennsfan have done beating him off..........
Beans claims Sid isn't the best today, but he will be...I am gonna go a step further and say he never will be.....See guys like Heatly, Ovi, Spezza among MANY more are still very young too. Sid is not miles above those guys, and he never will be. So even if Sid has seasons like this again, so will Vinny, or Heatly..He will never dominate the league, and for guys like you flyforapuck, if you want a sports messiah, you should watch golf or tennis...Those are the only two sports right now where one player is substantially better than the rest.
Sugar Ray over Hasek any day! |
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PENSFAN8771
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Posted - 05/10/2007 : 13:51:07
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Why do all my snide remarks back at IHC get edited off and his (including the title of this thread) are allowed to remain? Just saying I sense some bias . . . .
But I digress, just saying to watch a whole series to see something is a bad argument. There are certainly times when Crosby skated off the ice without speaking to a ref and other times when he was and should have been talking to a ref. IHC can't tell me that he's never discussed a no-call with a ref or gotten upset over some play if he actually has any major hockey experience, which I think he does. So I say without specific examples, you really are not answering the question.
And I'm glad you think you're winning this debate, I never thought that was the purpose. Aren't forums like these for fun? Sorry I just don't really care if I win, so much as if my opinions are heard. I would never make such a boastful claim. |
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fly4apuckguy
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Posted - 05/10/2007 : 19:01:43
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A Leafs fan that calls Crosby a whiner....that's classic.
Can you say "Darcy Tucker"?
As for your love-in with Luongo, wasn't he the guy flipping his head around and flopping on the ice (I call it "pulling a Hasek") every time someone passed within three feet of him during the playoffs this year? Wasn't he the goalie that was chasing down and yelling at the ref every five minutes begging for an interference penalty?
Why don't you face it? Crosby is not the only hot head in the NHL, but he is the only guy who scored 120 points this year. You act like he's the only guy who complains at the refs. My god man, do you ever watch hockey? That's all half the players do anymore.
Time will prove me right about him, and you'll be onto the next guy to drag down to make yourself feel better about the fact that the last time the Leafs won a Cup they celebrated by going out and inventing fire.
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I HATE CROSBY
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 05/10/2007 : 21:31:24
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I am aware that Luongo has a fabricating habit, but, this might sound realy odd, but I have no problem with goalies doing that....Goalies are typically more tightly wound on the ice than skaters...THEY SHOULD BE. Unlike a skater they have to stay focused non-stop, they get breathers when the pucks in the other end, but they have to be substantilly more alert than players...So, I give goalies a pass with weird antics. They're position is much more tough mentally than any other players. Sure I was a goalie for 14 years and may be a bit biased, but if you ever played goalie, you'd understand where I'm coming from.....I once had my entire team flip out at me in the playoffs, because I didn't go behind the net to play the puck once...Just for that!!!!!! Goalies are typically the scapegoats of narrowminded viewers "critiques"....Can you blame them for slight eccentricities? So if a goalie wants to embellish calls, that's something I'm willing to accept...Cause even if Sid apparrently has to "save the league", I think most people would take that pressure over that of a goalie (eg: just think of being a goalie in game 7 OT).
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Beans15
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Posted - 05/10/2007 : 21:59:58
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IHC, I totally disagree.
It doesn't matter what sport, what position, what era of sport, what situations. Every single person who has ever been coached at any sport are taught the same thing:
YOU PLAY UNTIL THE WHISTLE IS BLOWN!
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fly4apuckguy
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Posted - 05/10/2007 : 22:42:34
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Where I come from they call that a double standard.
Luongo can flop and complain and that's acceptable because he's a goalie, but if Sid (who is 8 or 9 years younger) does it he's a whiner and you hate him.
Yeah, that makes no sense to me.
I never played goal, but I usually think they either get too much credit or too much blame. As for being tightly wound, that's not always true. Look at Kipper. The guy looks like he's half asleep most of the time. Great goalie, though.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. - Gretz |
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I HATE CROSBY
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Canada
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Posted - 05/10/2007 : 23:26:33
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Ok, I thought something like this would happen......I'm just gonna say 2 things and then leave it alone, and whatever you say you say.......flyforapuck, I think Patrick Roy is the best example of my point, who in my opinion is the greatest player in NHL history (he does hold the record for most Conne Smythes, and unlike Gretz, Mario and many other greats, he was VERY effective until he called it quits), Kipper is an exception, not the norm.........Beans, In games when I wasn't playing, and was on the bench, I recall a number of great players just kinda unwinding on the bench between shifts, sure they were focused, but not how a goalie is ALL game. I completely stand by my remark about goaltending, and for those who doubt me, think of this, sure a goalie can't win a game all alone, but he can lose one...That's Pressure (well, in sports terms. obviously some covert op might call that child's play hahahaha).
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PENSFAN8771
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USA
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Posted - 05/11/2007 : 05:21:52
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| So is there no point when a goalie is going overboard? |
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Beans15
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Posted - 05/11/2007 : 09:01:57
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IHC, I don't disagree that your points on goaltenders being a little higher strung. And Roy is a perfect example of that.
But what does that have to do with playing until the whistle is blown??
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 05/11/2007 : 11:37:34
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i've been a goalie for 14 years aswell,, and to me staying focused is about blocking the ref out and concentrateing on what you're there to do, steal goals, maybe it was different for you IHC but when i lose my cool in the net i lose my edge,, patrick roy is by far my favorite goalie of all time i love th way he played the game but you hate crosby for being a whiner? we're talking about a guy who didn;t go to the olympics cuz he was worried marty would be the starter! when i play the game im calm,, its what works for me... chaseing refs to get calls for me is the captains and the assistants jobs (which i believe crosby were's an A) mine is to keep my game on, and i;m pretty sure roberto was looking at the ref for a call when scotty put a softy thru his legs to end that series!
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fly4apuckguy
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Canada
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Posted - 05/11/2007 : 13:54:51
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quote:
Originally posted by Pasty7
patrick roy is by far my favorite goalie of all time i love th way he played the game but you hate crosby for being a whiner? we're talking about a guy who didn;t go to the olympics cuz he was worried marty would be the starter!
Ouch. Good point.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. - Gretz |
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Guest4943
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Posted - 10/29/2007 : 12:09:47
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| i agree he jus goes on gis knees to look better. hes like oo i got free goal might as well go on my knees to look beter |
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hkalirah
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 10/29/2007 : 12:17:08
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C’mon folks, the answer as to why Sid goes down on one knee is simple.
Baseball players crouch down and step into their swings to get more power. Sid’s doing the same thing. He’s getting down on one knee and then rising just as he takes the shot which allows for a harder shot. Kovalchuk does the same thing, so did Hull.
With the new composite sticks, it’ll also allow for more bend/torque.
Sid does have his issues, jaw-jacking is one of them, but his play allows him to do so.
Wings are used to fly, Leaves only fall. |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 10/29/2007 : 19:27:45
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quote:
Originally posted by Guest4943
i agree he jus goes on gis knees to look better. hes like oo i got free goal might as well go on my knees to look beter
Wow, what a great point. Not.
I'm guessing you are 14 or younger. Please tell me I'm right. |
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Guest0441
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Posted - 10/29/2007 : 19:56:14
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| haha its obvisiously working for him tho:P |
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hkalirah
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 10/30/2007 : 06:29:57
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Obviously someone failed grade 12 physics. Oh wait, he's a Wild fan, explains it all.
Wings are used to fly, Leaves only fall. |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 10/30/2007 : 19:52:57
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quote:
Originally posted by hkalirah
Obviously someone failed grade 12 physics. Oh wait, he's a Wild fan, explains it all.
Wings are used to fly, Leaves only fall.
Failed Grade 12 physics? That's a good one. I guess you are saying I'm not that intelligent. Bro, I forgot more information before breakfast than you've learned your entire life.
The reason the Wild logo is my avatar is because I have a buddy who plays for them, and I'm loyal to my friends.
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Get off your knees Sid, you're blowing the game!!! 
