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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
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 Posted - 11/18/2007 : 07:17:10
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Poll Question:
Are hockey players today getting payed too much?
GO PREDATORS GO
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Edited by - nashvillepreds on 11/18/2007 07:17:36
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MSC
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2007 : 07:25:43
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| All they're doing is making as much as someone is willing to pay them. How can you blame them for that? Would you yourself turn down more money? I know I wouldn't. |
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Guest9642
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Posted - 11/18/2007 : 10:56:21
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| If you actually look at the economics of pro sports, they are not overpaid. In the real world how well are the top doctors, lawyers, and executives paid? Pro sports players have such a unique skill that is in such high demand. Short supply + large demand = $$$. This applies in the "real world" and in hockey! |
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2007 : 11:49:22
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| It's weird though if you think about it. Take Derek Boogard for example, he gets two minutes a night just to go fight someone and he's still getting payed some pretty good money. It should depend. A guy like Chris Pronger who is doing EVERYTHING for his team should get payed more then a guy who just does on thing. |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2007 : 11:49:27
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Definitely not. I always get a laugh out of people who say they are. Would you take it if you were offered $3 million a year to do YOUR job?
They get paid what they market demands. The day my job demands a multi-million dollar paycheque, I take it and don't look back.
Oh wait, should I stop and examine how I am getting paid in relation to other working people, and then decline it? Hmmmm...yeah, right. |
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andyhack
PickupHockey Pro
Japan
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Posted - 11/18/2007 : 12:28:53
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No doubt, the economics explanation make sense. But let's face it, even if you are a "free market" type of guy, which I basically am, this is one case where the forces of the free market has very strange results.
No offense to Hal Gil, but I am going to take him as an example because he has a short name and because he is the first kind of average player that came to mind.
What does he make? Anyone know? Something like 2 million a year maybe (wow, the Leafs are paying too much for him, come to think of it). Anyway, even if he were "only" being paid 1 million a year, it raises the same point to me. If you forget about the economics/free market thing for a second and just think about 1 million a year generally, and then think about what a high school teacher makes (think of one of the GOOD ones you had/have too!), I don't know, I find it wacky that the guy who is making a significant contribution every day to future generations for the benefit of society, is making a fraction of what Hal Gil is making.
I am not a school teacher by the way
You can repeat the economics/market value thing to me again and again, and I understand it, and don't really quibble with it, and you can talk to me about the grind of 82 hockey games and I'll understand that too (though a lot of the season sounds like fun to me too!), but STILL, a world where Hal Gil is getting paid many times over today's version of Mr. Mitchell, a great teacher of mine way back in the 70s, well that is one wacky, absurd, INSANE world.
But it's still a beautiful world too! |
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PuckNuts
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2007 : 14:14:12
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The reason their salaries are so high is 15,000 to 20,000 watch each game live, then you have televised games, and millions see you...
If managers, supervisors, teachers, etc. were allowed to beat up the stupid people in their place of work, it may be interesting enough to sell tickets, and have television rights...
Imagine the salaries that they could demand...
Hal Gill deserves evey pennie he gets, $2,050,000...
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2007 : 20:46:55
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Originally posted by andyhack
No doubt, the economics explanation make sense. But let's face it, even if you are a "free market" type of guy, which I basically am, this is one case where the forces of the free market has very strange results.
No offense to Hal Gil, but I am going to take him as an example because he has a short name and because he is the first kind of average player that came to mind.
What does he make? Anyone know? Something like 2 million a year maybe (wow, the Leafs are paying too much for him, come to think of it). Anyway, even if he were "only" being paid 1 million a year, it raises the same point to me. If you forget about the economics/free market thing for a second and just think about 1 million a year generally, and then think about what a high school teacher makes (think of one of the GOOD ones you had/have too!), I don't know, I find it wacky that the guy who is making a significant contribution every day to future generations for the benefit of society, is making a fraction of what Hal Gil is making.
I am not a school teacher by the way
You can repeat the economics/market value thing to me again and again, and I understand it, and don't really quibble with it, and you can talk to me about the grind of 82 hockey games and I'll understand that too (though a lot of the season sounds like fun to me too!), but STILL, a world where Hal Gil is getting paid many times over today's version of Mr. Mitchell, a great teacher of mine way back in the 70s, well that is one wacky, absurd, INSANE world.
But it's still a beautiful world too!
Well, thanks for the plug. I AM a teacher, and I like to think a pretty good one.
I don't mind sharing what I make...about $65 000 a year. It doesn't make me rich, but in rural Saskatchewan where our nice 1600 sq foot house cost us only $61 000, I guess it's not too bad.
As good as I think I am, no one seems to want to pay to watch me teach, so I'm not upset about what the NHLers make. My math classes are killer, though. Tickets for next week's class (back row only) are on sale now.
Are you guys going to expect me to have perfect spelling and grammar all of the time now? |
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andyhack
PickupHockey Pro
Japan
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Posted - 11/19/2007 : 02:29:35
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Flyguy - I don't know if I personally would pay to see your class (unless Beyonce or someone does your halftime show - hey, that's your point!), but I highly value the fact that there are a number of kids every year who are gaining the benefit of your efforts and wisdom.
My comment was just a philosophical observation on the way the free market sometimes works. It was not really a criticism (I qualify with "really" cause I need to think about that a little more maybe). But I can't disagree with what anyone is saying. All I am saying is that when we take a step back from the economics of it, and just think about it in terms of REAL value to society, well, it seems WAY out of wack to me anyway. 2,000,000 divided by 65,000 equals ****? Well, you're the Math teacher, you do the math!
Sure, for my entertainment I may pay to watch a bunch of guys skate around some ice with some sticks chasing after a little round black thing, but that doesn't mean I value what they do more than what you do. It just means I'd rather see it more (though I am sure your math classes provide "scintillating" end to end action and non-stop entertainment for the kids ).
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 11/19/2007 : 11:15:09
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These people are highly skilled. Consider that there are maybe 500 people in the world that can play hockey at a high enough level to be in the NHL. It's like anything else. If only a few people can do it, there value is very high on the market.
I'm not saying that a hockey player's impact to society is the same as a teacher or doctor. However, the money in the league is generated by the players playing the game. They are highly skilled at that and are compensated based on the market they are in.
No different than a King Crab Fisherman as an example. Few people in the world do it well and are willing to take the risks involved. Therefore, they get huge sums of money for short period of work. Their impact on society is low, but they work in a lucrative industry with specific skills. Another that comes to my mind are off-shore oil drillers. Big $ industry, highly skilled, big compensation.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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LeafsFan4Life
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 11/19/2007 : 12:56:13
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They way i look at this is:
A hockey season goes for 82 games -- the most minutes in a game is 60:00 + a 5 min ot period which is 1hr and 5 mins of work potentially if a player was on the ice a whole game.. multiplied by 82 games which equals 123 hrs of work if a player was on the ice for every minute of every game which is just about 3 weeks and 3 hours of work for a regular person. and they get paid lets say as an average about 2 million dollars for a good player, so they get paid about 16260 dollars an hour aprox. Regular blue collar workers get paid about $30000 a year for working full time hours of about 2080 hours a year for a full time employee. So when you really look at it they are very over paid for the job that they do.
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1053 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2007 : 15:07:48
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I'm not saying that they are overpayed but look at guys like Alexei Yashin. The guy was making the most money in the NHL. He then threatened to leave long island if they didn't give him a salary bonus.
Most players aren't like that but if you look at it that way, it seems like that they are only playing for the money.
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 11/19/2007 : 15:51:49
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First off, Leafs Fan, the life of a hockey player is more than just time on the ice. What about practice, pre-game, post game, meetings, public appearances. Also, don't forget about Travel and off season preparation. It is far more than just the minutes on the ice. Most NHLer's are about hockey all of the time.
Nash, I hear ya. But that happens all the time in the world. A guy can get offered a job with a different company and demand all sorts of things. Stock options, vacation time, bonus, etc. Hockey Players are just more public, and the money is much higher, so it "appears" to be more out of sorts.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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