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Antroman
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 Posted - 12/19/2007 : 19:04:24
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Can someone explain to me why Adams takes a two handed chop to the back of Steen's head knocking his helmut off and gets only a two minute penalty and then Colin Campbell suspends him for two games today?
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Guest7007
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Posted - 12/19/2007 : 19:21:29
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Originally posted by Antroman
Can someone explain to me why Adams takes a two handed chop to the back of Steen's head knocking his helmut off and gets only a two minute penalty and then Colin Campbell suspends him for two games today?
Or Koivu with no games for cross checking someone in the head at the end of the game. |
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Canucks Man
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Posted - 12/19/2007 : 19:54:40
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Because the suspension doesnt have anything to do with the on ice penilty, the NHL disaplenary board obviously thought it deserved 2 games, even if the ref didnt.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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Antroman
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Posted - 12/20/2007 : 05:45:47
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| It might help if I was to get the name right? It was GREG Adams and not Kevin. Sorry about that. It just seems peculiar that an on ice official would only give two minutes for a penalty this severe. It was a retaliatory penalty after both bumping in to each other at center ice. Do you think Colin Campbell would discipline the ref for not giving a match penalty? |
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PuckNuts
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Posted - 12/20/2007 : 06:35:32
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How do we know what the ref saw?
We have video replay so we can see things over, and over again at our leasure.
The only way to solve the ref inconsistency would be to mount a camera on their helmets, and then everyone would be able to see what the ref sees...Ref Cam...
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
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Beans15
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Posted - 12/20/2007 : 06:48:00
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OK, let's try a third time and make sure we all know the guys name is CRAIG ADAMS.
Now that is cleaned up, let's look back on the NHL's disciplinary style. Firstly, they look at the player. I believe this is the first suspension that Adams has received. Also, he's not know as being a dirty player and/or to log a ton of penalty minutes. The second thing the NHL looks at is the outcome. In this case, from what I have seen, Steen's helmet did not fly off(??), and the player was up, skated away, and had no ill effects. Thirdly, the intent. This is far from a McSorley type stick shot.
The ref viewed it as a high stick. Nothing more. No blood means a 2 minute penalty. I think that Campbell layed out the suspension to stay on the path they started this year. Honestly, 3 years ago this would not have been a suspension at all.
And Antro, I know people seem to attack you on here, mainly because you are a Leaf Fan. But I gotta tell you, between the McCabe Tragedy you spoke of and then this, I am thinking you may be a bit more bias towards things happening the Leafs. Just a Bit
This is hardle a 2 game suspension. The ref played it right.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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Antroman
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Posted - 12/20/2007 : 12:46:07
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| I was not taking sides in this but wondering why the ref only called two minutes for high sticking and Colin Campbell levied a two game suspension. Who was invovled in the incident is totally irrelevent? That is why I erred in the first name. That wasn't what I was asking opinions on. Yes, I am biased toward the Leafs. I don't think I am anymore biased toward them as others are biased against them. Yes, I got a little over the top in my referrals to the the player in the other incident but that was my passion talking and I apologize in that regard. If you do not have passion towards your team then I do not think you are a true dyed in the wool fan of that team. I still stick to my opinion in the other regard that it was an illegal play. The personal insults that are tossed my way because others do not agree are totally unnecessary just as my insults toward the player on the other team were unnecessary but were a result of the passionate disapproval of what I still believe regarding that play. I listened to Colin Campbell on Leaf's Lunch yesterday evening say that Adams hit our guy hard enough to knock his helmut off. He said he swung his stick in a reckless manner because the two players had accidently ran in to each other at center ice. I only seen the replay the once after the two minute penalty was assessed and I do remember Steen picking his lid up off of the ice but how it got there I do not know for sure? Once again I might have been overly biased by saying his helmut flew off. To get back to my post I was just wondering why an official would only call a two minute penalty for a two handed chop to the head and Campbell seen fit to suspend the guy for two games? I do not care which two players were involved or on which teams. In otherwords it seems to me their is quite the descrepancy in the way these guys are calling the games? That was what my intention was for this post. |
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hkalirah
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Posted - 12/20/2007 : 13:31:55
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I’m with Pucknuts on this one. Ref’s don’t have the luxury of instant replay. We don’t know what he saw. He could have just looked over when the stick was hitting the helmet and assumed High Stick.
As for Campbell, he wouldn’t be doing his job if he saw a clear infraction and still did not give a suspension just because the ref only gave two minutes. His job is to review what he’s seen and make his decision regarding a suspension regardless of what the call on the ice was.
If I recall correctly, Pronger’s headshot to Holmstrom last year resulted in no call by the ref (I could be wrong), but Campbell gave him a 1 game suspension afterwards.
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Guest5240
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Posted - 12/21/2007 : 22:48:12
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| You guys are pretty much correct with this one. I was gabbing with a couple of buds tonight and I brought this topic up. Apparenty one of the Toronto reporters asked Colin Campbell on one of the sport radio shows the exact same question and his response was that the ref has to make a split second decision on the ice and there is only two things he can call, a two minute minor for high sticking or a five minute match penalty for intent to injure. Unless the player was cut, which he was not, he has to decide on the spot which way to go. Colin apparently said that he looked at the play and decided he had no alternative but to issue the two game suspension because of the severity of the infraction. Maybe there should be a rule that allows the officials to call a double minor on a play like that? As it stands, it looks like the play was resolved correctly. Glad we got that baby cleared up!!!! |
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Antroman
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Posted - 12/21/2007 : 22:49:43
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| Sorry, that last post was mine. |
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Kevin Adams Gets Two Games? 
