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tbar
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Posted - 01/09/2008 :  08:12:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am coaching a 15 year old Midget hockey team and my Captain has been out for close to 2 months. I gave a deserving player an "A" for the time being. Our team was huvering just below .500 when our captain was in the line up and as of the last month weve really got on a roll (.800). My captain is going to be ready to go in the next week or two. I didnt expect my "C" to be out of the line up for this length of time and the player who filled in as a "A" captain has really rose to the occasion and I dont want him to loose all of his confidence.

I would like people who have coached and understand the situation to comment on how they would handel this.
I have played threw the junior ranks and started playing senior leauges but it is my fist year coaching. I cant recall as a player, a situation like this where the "C" goes down in the first month and is out for two months while the other players take over the leadership rolls.

As of right now I am leaning towrds giving one guy the "C" for home games and the other for away games....they both have the respect of the dressing room needed to be a good captain.

MSC
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Posted - 01/09/2008 :  08:22:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's simple, let him keep his "A" and give the "C" back to the original captain.
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tbar
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Posted - 01/09/2008 :  08:27:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Then i have to strip a "A" off a diferent player. You cant have a letter on every jersy....Not so simple.

Edited by - tbar on 01/09/2008 08:28:45
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MSC
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Canada
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Posted - 01/09/2008 :  08:31:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ask yourself this, is it easier to strip an "A" or strip a "C". Either way someone is losing out. Why don't you ask the team and see how they feel about it first before you do anything.
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PuckNuts
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Canada
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Posted - 01/09/2008 :  08:39:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You never gave away the "C", you added an "A".

When the Captain returns to the lineup he will still have the "C", and then the last player you added the "A" to has to understand that he will lose that "A".

Most teams have 1 "C", and 3 "A" on the team, how many do you have?

Of coarse you know that this means war!
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/09/2008 :  09:18:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'd say not to mess with what's working. You have to ask yourself if the reason you are on the roll is because of the leadership of the kid you added the "A" to or for other reasons.

In the end, if you think the kid you originally put the "C" on is not the guy, give him an "A" and explain to him that it's best for the team to go with 4 "A" rather than a "C" and three "A'" (if you league allows this.) If the original "C" is a team player, he'll be ok with it as long as he, you, and rest of the team beleive it's best for the team as a whole.

Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!!
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tbar
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Canada
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Posted - 01/09/2008 :  09:59:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Pucknuts we have as many letters as allowed.

The teams play as of late is coming from our team building. Our captain has missed out on most of this because he hasn’t come to most of our games. At the start of the year it was a bunch of small groups like a normal team but now they have all earned each others respect and trust and Hess missed out on allot of this. And the guy which whom I gave the "A" to when the "C" went down has allot to do with the team moral. The reason this is harder than in most cases is Hess pretty much led the team to where were at and now in logic because he wasn’t originally wearing a letter I strip his. I cant strip a different "A" because then they’ll think they did something wrong. 15-year-old kids are not as understanding as players in the jr. ranks and so on are.
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PuckNuts
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Posted - 01/09/2008 :  12:17:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you are allowed as many Assistants as you want, then I do not see your dilemma.

The original Captain can still come back as Captain, how do you know that the players will not respond positively to his return?


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Guest4188
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Posted - 01/09/2008 :  15:24:17  Reply with Quote
your team is no good
I would no
Goodluck in the playoffs
Happy elimintions

Edited by - willus3 on 01/10/2008 07:46:09
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irvine
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Posted - 01/10/2008 :  00:16:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4188

your team is no good
I would no
Goodluck in the playoffs
Happy elimintions



It's a shame you can't properly use "no" and "know." Poor kid.

Don't be so ignorant, not towards a guy coaching 15 year old kids.

great job tbar, keep up the good work man.

Irvine

Edited by - willus3 on 01/10/2008 07:46:39
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Pasty7
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Posted - 01/10/2008 :  06:54:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i would do one of two things i'd have to know both kids in order to decide but i would take the one with the best head on his shoulders aside explain the situation and then explain to the kid that the A or C is not what made him a great leader all the A or C does is allow you to talk to the ref you still lead this team weather you have a letter on your sweater or not,,, personally i would lean to doing this with the kid you gave the A too,,, i coach aswell not a team but in the sport etude programs and i find a lot of kids respond really well to being straight forward and treating them like adults

Pasty
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Guest5043
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Posted - 01/10/2008 :  07:08:16  Reply with Quote
think of this as a lesson in life for the kids too. There are times when decisions are made that not everyone will be happy with - happens at work all the time. But teens, employees, whoever, will understand provided they're included in the discussions.

Did you establish any ground rules - the classic, "can't lose your position to injury?", or did you tell the new "A" when he got it that this was only until the injured player returned?

I'd suggest, call your four leaders into a confidential closed door session, and present your position. Let them discuss. Let them all know how valuable they are to the leadership of the team, with or without a letter. You, however have to make the final decision, present your game plan of returning the C to the Captain, demoting the last guy to get the A and see if they agree (or whatever your preferred game plan is). Give each a real chance to talk. Be open to the discussion, if all four want a different scenario then be willing to talk and change, but in the end let them know you're the coach. Overall, it's a good lesson for them in understanding roles and responsibilities, and in understanding positions of authority.
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tbar
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Canada
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Posted - 01/10/2008 :  07:42:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey thanks for the imput guys. Pasty i think your idea is the most logical idea as well as guest 5043........and for guest 4188 i wish you were a 15 year old kid playing against the boys on my team. With that attitude youd be laying on your back all night.
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