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irvine
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Posted - 05/13/2010 :  22:51:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Poll Question:
Should the Pittsburgh Penguins trade Evgeni Malkin this off-season?

Irvine/prez.


Results:
Yes   [57%] 8 votes
No   [43%] 6 votes


Poll Status: Open  »»   Total Votes: 14 counted  »»   Last Vote: 05/26/2010 11:04:22 

Edited by - willus3 on 05/17/2010 15:10:00

irvine
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Posted - 05/13/2010 :  23:05:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I recently just read an article, which spoke of the Penguins trading Center, Evgeni Malkin. And, in honesty, it may make some sense.

The Penguins offensive core is built solely on their Centers. Crosby, Malkin & Staal.

With Crosby & Malkin both at a $8.7MM Cap Hit, and Staal at a (I believe) $4MM Cap Hit, it leaves no room for adding proper, skilled wingers.

If the Pens traded Malkin, or atleast, shopped him around... they could open up $8.7 Million in cap space. Along with freeing that up, they could essentially add a talented winger to play with Sidney Crosby for the first time in his early NHL career.

Staal, would then be able to play 2nd line minutes. The minutes, he should be getting but doesn't, due to Malkin.

Staal is not as offensively talented as Malkin. But, with more minutes and responsibility, Staal I believe, could produce at a higher pace than he currently does. While still, playing his physical, defensive role too.

Also, with the space freed up, talented winger signed/traded for in the deal, they could also either re-sign Gonchar, or let Gonchar walk, and build a deeper blueline with the money saved from Gonchar, and extra space from Malkin.

Just some thoughts.

An idea was also pitched of this:

Malkin and a fifth round pick to Edmonton for the first overall selection, Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson and Sheldon Souray.
-- TheHockeyNews Pitched this trade.

I'm not buying in to it. I don't see the Pens needing/wanting Sheldon Souray. Svensson and the 1st overall pick, yes. Souray, no.

Anyhoo, your thoughts on Malkin being traded? Or atleast, shopped?

I can see some good coming out of trading Malkin. But, then again. He is an elite NHL player. Hard to part ways. Perhaps easier though, when you have the elitest NHL player already on your squad too.

Irvine/prez.
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Alex116
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Posted - 05/13/2010 :  23:28:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Interesting stuff Irv, but i read that proposed trade, or at least the Souray part, as him needing to be added for Edm to make this deal. I don't particularly think that the Pens would want Souray but the Oil would need to shed his big salary. Know what i'm saying? I think Paarjarvi-Svensson and the first pick are enough if not too much so the Oilers would want them to take Souray as part of it as well?

Regardless, there's prob a million trade scenarios we could look at, the question here is, will they trade Malkin? Never thought they'd even consider it, but what you say makes complete sense and i could see them quietly shopping him around to see what they could get in return?
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Posted - 05/14/2010 :  05:03:44  Reply with Quote
Not a chance that offer gets you Malkin.

I am all for trading Malkin but he is an elite talent and it will take a lot more than that.

I am guessing 3 roster players and at least 2 picks.
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slozo
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Posted - 05/14/2010 :  06:29:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was going to say the same as the guest - you'd need a lot more than that to get Malkin, one of the top centers in the league today who has many more years to play.

Staal should be a second-liner, and has 80 point potential in my mind playing with another skilled winger - which one could get, if dealing Malkin.

I think the Pens would be very smart to deal Malkin for the best two scoring/playmaking wingers they can find, then put them with Staal and Crosby . . . and guaranteed they get at least a spare part or a pick along with the two roster players.

Hmmm . . . who has two skilled wingers and wants an elite centre? Or better yet, who wants Malkin for an elite winger and a prospect, and the Pens can spend the extra dough on another scoring winger?

For a lark:
To the NY Isles - Malkin
To the Pens - Moulsen, Okposo, and a 1st round pick

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Alex116
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Posted - 05/14/2010 :  08:10:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by slozo


For a lark:
To the NY Isles - Malkin
To the Pens - Moulsen, Okposo, and a 1st round pick





I'd take the Edm package over this. Prob try to get Edm to pay part of Souray's salary or something but i like the youngsters in their package better, even though they're yet to play in the NHL. That part admittedly is a gamble......

I think the Pens could do better than either of these offers!

How 'bout:

Malking to St Louis for two of (D. Backes / B. Boyes / D. Perron) and a dman, either B. Jackman or E. Brewer? I'm not familiar with St. Louis's prospects but maybe a prospect or a pick to sweeten the deal?
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 05/14/2010 :  08:41:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, he's a great center, and that's the problem.

The Pens need to trade their stud center for a stud winger to play with Crosby. Simple as that.

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nuxfan
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Posted - 05/14/2010 :  11:02:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think trading Malkin makes sense too - they are going to have to get rid of one of the 3 that they have, and he's making Sid bucks without Sid production. I think that Malkin would shine with a team where he was the top guy.

I too would take the Edmonton trade over the one someone proposed for the NYI - to be able to get the first overall pick would be awesome, and one could argue that you can draft your stud winger for Crosby to play with, instead of trading for someone else. Souray - I don't think his hockey days are done yet and once out of Edmonton he'll bounce back. The Pens will need someone on the PP in the event that they cannot/will not sign Gonchar back - they would be similar cap hits. I don't know enough about Paarjarvi, except that he's an unproven talent, but a blue-chip prospect at that.

There is a potential trade for Malkin with any team in the league. If I were Gillis, I'd consider Cory Schneider, Ryan Kesler, and Kevin Bieksa plus a draft pick for Malkin. I'd be loathe to give up Kesler, but to take 8.7 M per year you have to shed somewhere.
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Posted - 05/14/2010 :  15:36:37  Reply with Quote
Leafs should try for malkin get rid of kaberle, and whatever else it takes, malkin is one of the best players in the league. if the leafs were smart they would go after kovalchuk or malkin, either one is amazing but i would prefer malkin.
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Beans15
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Posted - 05/14/2010 :  18:18:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If that Edmonton deal is factual and happens, I will literally find a new team to cheer for. That is the stupidest trade in the history of hockey.

Hall and Seguin should both be legitimate #1 line players. Paarjarvi-Svensson is also a #1 line player potential. Then you throw in Souray?

C'mon. Would anyone in their right mind trade Toews, Kane, and Sopel for Malkin???

It's dumb and complete speculation.
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Posted - 05/14/2010 :  19:24:23  Reply with Quote
thats ridiculous
comparing hall and seguin to toews and kane is a joke
at most those are best case scenarios in a few years

hall souray and svensson arent worth malkin

only cause of the trouble the penguins are in should they ever trade
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Beans15
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Posted - 05/14/2010 :  19:32:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Absolutely, that is best case senario.

Would you, as a GM of an NHL team, give up the chance at a Kane AND Toews singularly for Malkin???

That deal is foolish. The Oilers are firstly not giving up that #1 pick for ANYTHING unless it's so far in their favor is sick. Like Malkin, Crosby, Ovechkin, Backstrom straight up for the #1.

Likewise, the Oilers have committed to a rebuild. Unless the players is over 30 or is highly overpaid, they are not leaving Edmonton. They are rebuilding from the draft and with their prospects, not through trade or FA's. Whom ever the #1 is this year, Eberle, Svensson, Omark, et al are not leaving Edmonton any time soon.

That being said, I would think Pitt may be shopping one of their other 2 centres be it Malkin or Staal. I think Gonchar signing or not will have a huge impact on that. If they sign Gonchar, the logical move would be Malkin out for a legitimate wing man for Crosby and a #2 or #3 defensemen. If Gonchar does not resign, it will still be a legitimate wing man for Crosby, but a lesser wing man as they will need a #1 puck moving PP specialist defensemen.

Staal definately has the chops to step up as the #2 centre and Malkin can play #1 centre for most teams in the NHL.

It definately makes sense.

Edited by - Beans15 on 05/14/2010 19:34:08
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Posted - 05/15/2010 :  04:09:39  Reply with Quote
Beans you contradict yourself.

I have seen you write on here that it would take a deal similar to Lindros to land Malkin, or Crosby.

I am an oiler fan but comparing 2 prospects to Kane and toews is nuts and include an overpriced band aid makes no sense.

I don't want them to do that deal either because of the price you get the prospects and how far the oilers are from winning but a team closer to winning the cup is going to pay for Malkin.

LA maybe

Doughty and someone but I don't think LA wil give him up but they have a boat load of d.
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Posted - 05/15/2010 :  04:11:26  Reply with Quote
[quote]Originally posted by Guest4050

Leafs should try for malkin get rid of kaberle, and whatever else it takes, malkin is one of the best players in the league. if the leafs were smart they would go after kovalchuk or malkin, either one is amazing but i would prefer malkin.
[/quote

You would have to include the CN tower, and the rodgers center. Who do you think the penguins want from your team?

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Posted - 05/15/2010 :  04:18:33  Reply with Quote
haha very good call guest...but you can see as to why i want him on my team. in my opinion malkin was the reason for the cup last year more so than crosby and i think it's his turn to be recognized as the number 1 guy on a team
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ryan93
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Posted - 05/15/2010 :  05:19:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't see why the Pens need to make any major changes at all. It's extremely difficult to win the Stanley Cup in this league, and to go deep in the playoffs in general. With the Crosby/Malkin/Staal combination, the Pens went to the SCF in 2008, won the SC in 2009, and came within 1 win of making the Eastern Conference Finals this year.

That said, yes i'd at the very least explore this route just to have an idea of the type of package a guy like Malkin could yield. If he was ever dealt, i think Jordan Staal is a better offensive player than his numbers have shown thus far, and it think he still has more to give. So they'd still be very strong down the middle.

If the Pens are wanting to shed a bit of salary, i'm honestly not sure if i'd resign Sergei Gonchar. Kris Letang was solid down the stretch, and he was sensational in these playoffs. With Letang & Goligoski, the Pens still have 2 above average offensive defensemen.
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Posted - 05/15/2010 :  11:40:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

If that Edmonton deal is factual and happens, I will literally find a new team to cheer for. That is the stupidest trade in the history of hockey.

Hall and Seguin should both be legitimate #1 line players. Paarjarvi-Svensson is also a #1 line player potential. Then you throw in Souray?

C'mon. Would anyone in their right mind trade Toews, Kane, and Sopel for Malkin???

It's dumb and complete speculation.



This may be the most ludicrous comparison I've ever heard. The oilers will be lucky if Hall/Seguin turns out to be even close to as good as Toews, and the fact remains neither of them have ever played an NHL game and will take a few years to pan out(assuming the Oilers' pick doesnt end up a bust). Paarjavi-Svensson on the other hand, is a solid young prospect who has possible top six potential and might crack the Oilers line-up next year. But comparing him to Patrick Kane, one of the game's best players and a former # 1 draft pick is even sillier than the first comparison. While Sopel and Souray are similar in skill. You ignore the fact that Souray makes almost double his salary and is injury prone. I agree this trade is extremely lobsided, but if I were an Oilers fan, I wouldnt be complaining.





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Utemin
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Posted - 05/15/2010 :  15:22:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Why would the pens trade their best player?

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irvine
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Posted - 05/15/2010 :  17:54:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
@Utemin: Firstly, Malkin is not the Penguins best player. Crosby is.

And, they would trade him because his cap hit is $8.7 Million per, playing the second line. Not to mention, the return they could get for him.

The Penguins could solidify their top line, adding a winger (or two), to complete Crosby. Imagine Crosby, with legit Wingers? Not that of Guerin & Kunitz.

Also, it would allow Staal to step up and play the second line. Something that, he is perfectly capable of doing. There is no longer room for three Centers of that caliber in Pittsburgh, I don't believe. One should go, to help free up room and to complete the team overall, not just down the middle.

They could trade Staal for a legit Winger, but his cap hit is less than half that of Malkin. And, Staal is the Penguins best penalty killer. Hard to move the guy making half of the other, and is so valuable to the defensive side of your game too.

Am I saying the Pens WILL trade Malkin? Absolutely not. Am I saying, perhaps they should consider it? Yes.

They should atleast open up the phone lines, to hear offers.

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Beans15
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Posted - 05/15/2010 :  19:49:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't see how people think that the comparison of Hall or Seguin and Svensson is that far off from Toews and Kane??

At their drafts, Toews and Kane both were discussed with the same potential as Hall and Seguin are today. The Svensson call might be a bit of a stretch, but my point is that the Oilers are NOT going to trade a draft pick that is as close to a sure thing one can think of, another skater with legitimate #1 line abilities AND a defensemen(when healthy) is good for 20+ goals a season for Malkin. It's too much, it doesn't fit the long term plan. It's just dumb.

Like I said, this would literally make me cheer for another team as it would be the stupidest move in the history of hockey and tell me very clearly that Edmonton does not care to win at all.
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Posted - 05/15/2010 :  19:59:52  Reply with Quote
If Malkin leaves Pitt, that's the end of any chance of a cup for them, unless the trade back is ridiculous. Pitt would be even easier to play than they are now, and an eighth seed just reduced Crosby/Malkin to basically non-factors. If it was just Crosby as an elite offensive forward? I'd send one shadow player + a defencemen on him 24/7 and Pitt would lose. Only reason Crosby is effective as he is, is because teams have to also worry about Malkin on a night to night basis. They also play together alot in key situations, despite the people who believe Crosby never plays with elite talent.

Welcome to the salary-cap era. It is extremely difficult to forge dynasties because everyone becomes too expensive. Pitt can't keep Crosby/Malkin/Staal/Fleury unless the rest of the team suffers. The only way to win is to have a solid young core, with more than a few bargain contracts, and try to maintain it until it comes apart. Which, for teams like Pitt, Chicago and Washington, it will sooner than later.
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Posted - 05/15/2010 :  20:24:01  Reply with Quote
c'mon malkin is the best player in the league, trade him so he gets some spotlight,
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Posted - 05/16/2010 :  09:15:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

I don't see how people think that the comparison of Hall or Seguin and Svensson is that far off from Toews and Kane??

At their drafts, Toews and Kane both were discussed with the same potential as Hall and Seguin are today. The Svensson call might be a bit of a stretch, but my point is that the Oilers are NOT going to trade a draft pick that is as close to a sure thing one can think of, another skater with legitimate #1 line abilities AND a defensemen(when healthy) is good for 20+ goals a season for Malkin. It's too much, it doesn't fit the long term plan. It's just dumb.

Like I said, this would literally make me cheer for another team as it would be the stupidest move in the history of hockey and tell me very clearly that Edmonton does not care to win at all.




Hall and Seguin are not sure things. In all likelyhood they will become stars in the NHL, but ther's always an element of risk involved with prospects. I mean look at Alex Daigle, Patrik Stefan, Doug Wickenheiser, The list of # 1 overall busts goes on. I'm not saying I think this will happen, but it is a possibility. Toews and Kane are proven NHLers, Hall/Seguin and Svensson are question marks, who knows how they might pan out. Souray's only asset is his booming point shot (which the pens already have in Gonchar). Malkin is one the best players in the league with an art ross and a conn smythe under his belt. I mean Malkin's a top 2 pick who panned out and then some, I mean who do you want, a proven superstar or some kids who might be stars and an overrated, over the hill defenceman

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Beans you are absolutely right....sven. will be a major star, this guy is big and GOOD, then you`ve got a no-miss guy like Hall. I would never make this deal as a GM. Plus you are picking up 9 MILLION in cap vs maybe 3 year entry level contracts for both of these potential star NHL players and then watch them grow, giving you more cap room space to work with for 3 years. Pittsburg would jump at this deal if given the chance, like beans said guys, this deal WONT happen because you dont see these stupid type of deals. Where was malkin last round when needed ?? don`t put too much faith in these 9 MILLION dollar hockey players who only play when they want too....give me a mike richards ( good old cdn. ) any day over a malkin type !!!
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willus3
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Posted - 05/17/2010 :  15:09:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Personally I would love to see Malkin and Iginla trade places. A guy who can actually score on Crosby's wing? Imagine.
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Posted - 05/17/2010 :  15:34:28  Reply with Quote
The oilers and penguins should make this trade except substitute Crosby for Malkin. Then you would see who the true superstar would be . Malkin would be a 140+ points per year.Crosby would be 80 to 90 on the oilers.
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Posted - 05/17/2010 :  15:41:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
First of a trade for a young superstar who is probably a top 5 forward in the league will take a lot. So for Edmonton to dump Souray's overpaid contract in a deal that would send two prospects would make sense. Sure they are doing great right now and they will probably be star one day, but you can never tell, at least with Malkin you know what you get. Also Edmonton has many young prospects, they will all ask big salaries sooner or later, and they wont be able to keep them all so to trade a couple in order to get one of the best player in the league who has an art ross, a conn smythe and a Stanley Cup at such a young age makes total sense to me. Plus having Malkin on the team would just take so much pressure off all the other young prospects. And like I said to dump Souray's salary along with it is just a bonus for Edmonton.

And I wont even start about the comparaison between Svensson and Hall to Toews and Kane.

Guys like Malkin, Toews and Kane are proven young superstar and teams would pay a lot to get a hand on one of those guys. It's not like they are over 30 years old. They are 23, 22 and 21 years old respectively.

Guys that young with that baggage behind them already is totally part of a team rebuilt plan. I would take a proven young (under 25) superstar anytime over a couple of prospects, no matter how good they could become. Unless it's a Crosby or a Ovechkin coming. But I think we all agree Hall is not in that catergory.
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Posted - 05/17/2010 :  16:24:52  Reply with Quote
I cant see malkin going anywhere and if he were to leave I dont believe Sourays name would be in the same sentence. Now the Flames on the other hand are apparently eyeing the possibility of moving Iginla an already established scorer with tons of grit and immediate chemistry with Crosby from international play and makes 2 mil less then Malkin. That would make sence to me and would seem more logical then a pittsburgh-oilers trade.Not to mention Iggy is great on the wing. I cant really think of any other immediate impact trades pittsburgh would swing,,,but ya never know
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Posted - 05/17/2010 :  18:40:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by willus3

Personally I would love to see Malkin and Iginla trade places. A guy who can actually score on Crosby's wing? Imagine.





Oh, hugely agree. Unfortunately, I think Iginla's a little long in the tooth to be involved in a Malkin straight up deal.

Although, I wonder if Dutter would be interested in a Iginla/Regehr(as you dislike the guy anyway) for Malkin and a 4thish round draft pick???

Although I am not supposed to like the guy because he plays for Calgary, Iginla is the classy, hardnosed kinda guy that you just have a hard time hating. I think he will be this generation's "best player without a Cup" if he doesn't leave Calgary and soon.
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willus3
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Posted - 05/17/2010 :  19:41:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

quote:
Originally posted by willus3

Personally I would love to see Malkin and Iginla trade places. A guy who can actually score on Crosby's wing? Imagine.





Oh, hugely agree. Unfortunately, I think Iginla's a little long in the tooth to be involved in a Malkin straight up deal.

Although, I wonder if Dutter would be interested in a Iginla/Regehr(as you dislike the guy anyway) for Malkin and a 4thish round draft pick???

Although I am not supposed to like the guy because he plays for Calgary, Iginla is the classy, hardnosed kinda guy that you just have a hard time hating. I think he will be this generation's "best player without a Cup" if he doesn't leave Calgary and soon.



Yes, should have stated I didn't mean straight up. And no I don't want Regehr to go to the Penguins. I like the Penguins. I believe he has a no trade clause anyway.
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Posted - 05/17/2010 :  20:13:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Alright then Willus, what's the deal?? Who do you move from Calgary to get Iginla with Crosby, move Malkin to Calgary, and make in interesting enough for both teams to do??
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Posted - 05/17/2010 :  21:36:59  Reply with Quote
malkin for iginla, stajan, 1st rounder
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Posted - 05/17/2010 :  22:49:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Now, allow me to begin by saying that I in no way 'endorse' this trade, nor do I believe it will ever happen.

But, if PIT were to trade Malkin to CGY, I'd think something like:

To Calgary:
Evgeni Malkin
PIT 3rd Rd Pick

To Pittsburgh:
Jerome Iginla
Mikael Backlund

would suffice.

The Flames receive a top 5 Center in the NHL, something they have lacked for some time now. And, a 3rd round pick.

The Penguins, receive a talented, high end Winger with world class to play along side Sidney Crosby. Something, they have lacked.

With Iginla being older than Malkin, although, 31 isn't over the hill. The Penguins would require somebody young coming back with Iginla I believe. And what better than another Center to develop further, in Backlund. Who, could fit in Staal's old spot on the 3rd line, as he'd be moving to the second with the trade occuring.

Iginla is world class, but right now, Malkin is ahead of the game. So I don't see it being far fetched adding Backlund in to the mix, when Malkin goes the other way.


*** Also, I could see other players (ones, not really of great significance) and late round picks mixed in to the deal. Going either way, just because we can't see two big names moved, without adding a ton of extras.

Irvine/prez.

Edited by - irvine on 05/17/2010 22:52:03
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Posted - 05/18/2010 :  16:45:18  Reply with Quote
Those of you praising Staal clearly do no watch Pens games regularly.Staal is SOOO slow, he is awful at faceoffs, he is really not all that physical. But his statistics would obviously increase if he played with any gifted talent. He did put up 49 points playing with Kennedy and Cooke, hardly world class offensive talent.

I understand the idea of trading Malkin, we need a physical big name dman because Fleury is a mediocre goaltender. The Pens probably have the worst wingers of any team in the league, but have the best centers. But Rupp, Adams, Talbot, Staal, Malkin and Crosby are all centers or have played center in the past. WE NEED WINGERS!!!
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Posted - 05/19/2010 :  05:38:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4384

Those of you praising Staal clearly do no watch Pens games regularly.Staal is SOOO slow, he is awful at faceoffs, he is really not all that physical. But his statistics would obviously increase if he played with any gifted talent. He did put up 49 points playing with Kennedy and Cooke, hardly world class offensive talent.

I understand the idea of trading Malkin, we need a physical big name dman because Fleury is a mediocre goaltender. The Pens probably have the worst wingers of any team in the league, but have the best centers. But Rupp, Adams, Talbot, Staal, Malkin and Crosby are all centers or have played center in the past. WE NEED WINGERS!!!



Staal slow? not physical? hmmmm

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Posted - 05/19/2010 :  06:52:35  Reply with Quote
Trade Malkin to Boston for Tim Thomas 4mil per year, Micheal Ryder 4 mil per year Blake Wheeler 1mil and the number 2 overall pick( maybe Hall). Theres three wingers, two with upside potential and the math fits. The key being Pittsburghs willingness to go for Thomas.
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Pasty7
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Posted - 05/19/2010 :  08:03:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Guest2748

Trade Malkin to Boston for Tim Thomas 4mil per year, Micheal Ryder 4 mil per year Blake Wheeler 1mil and the number 2 overall pick( maybe Hall). Theres three wingers, two with upside potential and the math fits. The key being Pittsburghs willingness to go for Thomas.



thomas is 5.6 million a year and no wont happen

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slozo
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Posted - 05/19/2010 :  09:42:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Staal is NOT slow, and he is quite physical . . . this is why he was kept as a third line centre behind Crosby and Malkin, because you do need more hard-nosed, physical players on the third and fourth lines. However, this is all at the cost of his offensive talents, which are wasted there . . .

In Staal's rookie season, he scored 29 goals, and if memory serves correctly, he occasionally played on the wing with Malkin. If Staal can consistently score 20 goals on the third line behind Malkin and Crosby who take up the lion's share of minutes, and if he can score 29 goals playing very occasionally with a talented player like Malkin out of position . . . it certainly stands to reason that Staal could up his totals big time, on the second line - paired with another talented winger of B+ quality or better - and getting more minutes and more pp time.

In other words, Pittsburgh could be getting full value for him . .. which they aren't right now. And, I would argue that they are also not getting full value for Malkin either, but that is debateable.

Regardless, this is as good a reason as any to trade Malkin, and get full value for the great talents Pittsburgh already has, and then augment them with your return.

I know Crosby hasn't clicked with everyone, but the closest he has come to playing with real talent is a short try-out with Hossa. He has had an old Recchi, an old Guerin, Kunitz, Satan, even an old Roberts for a second.

Can you imagine Pittsburgh with Crosby and Heatley on the top line, and with Jordan Staal and Frolov on the second line? Because that is the kind of return you could get for Malkin through trades and free agent signings due to opened up cap space . . . and it's certainly food for thought.

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug

Edited by - slozo on 05/19/2010 09:43:38
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nuxfan
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Posted - 05/19/2010 :  12:26:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
None of these trades make sense - personally I only seem the Pens trading Malkin to free up cap space, so why would they send 8.5M in salary one way and bring back 8-12M in salary? They can't do it.

The Pens cap hit is not bad next year, they 10M to spend on 7 players. However, for 11/12, they only have 10 players under contract and over 40M in cap hit - even if the cap goes up to, say 58M, the would have to sign 13 players for 18M. Thats an awful lot of mediocre players to surround their superstars with.

Beans, I agree with you, if I were an Edmonton fan I'd hate the prospect of acquiring Malkin for that price. But if I'm in charge in PIT, thats exactly the sort of trade I'd be looking for - shed a proven superstar with a superstar salary for some potential blue-chip prospects to build up another cup winner on the cheap. Ideally, shed 8.5M and take on 4-5M - one salary dump like Souray and 2 other budding stars on entry level deals.

Oh and Beans, surely you weren't serious about comparing Toews and Kane with "currently-undrafted-and-has-done-nothing-at-the-NHL-level" and "drafted-but-unproven-in-nhl-and-maturing-in-sweden"...
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Posted - 05/19/2010 :  13:39:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Finally, from the cheap seats, I was not comparing Toews and Kane to Hall/Seguin and Svensson. I am saying the potential is there.

Why is it so hard to fathom that Hall could turn into as good if not a better player than Patrick Kane??

Ultimately, it's like the Kessel deal. More often than not, deals for established players for very high draft picks don't work out. How about the Lindros deal??

Bottom line and the main point was that a deal for anyone currently in the NHL for the #1 pick, Svensson, AND Souray is dumb.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 05/19/2010 :  13:46:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Finally, from the cheap seats, I was not comparing Toews and Kane to Hall/Seguin and Svensson. I am saying the potential is there.


I know, just giving you a kick to the shins

Its the ultimate bet - do you go with proven star or unproven potential?
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