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polishexpress
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Posted - 11/30/2009 :  17:30:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What do you think of Ballard hitting his own goalie? Ballard must feel awful, almost kills his own goalie!

sharksfan44
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Posted - 11/30/2009 :  17:35:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
wow lol we made the same topic at the same time haha
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Alex
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Posted - 11/30/2009 :  19:14:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In general, I think it's totally immature to break sticks, throw water bottles, slam bench doors, etc. out of frustration. It's a sport. If you made a mistake, do NOT try to look cool, do NOT make it seem like you "should have had it", do NOT try to blame the stick, the bench, the water... Ballard, you were late on the play. Even if you weren't, what right do you, or anyone, have to publicly display the frustration you harbour towards fellow teammates? None.

Childish.
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Canucks Man
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Posted - 11/30/2009 :  19:32:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It was not Frustration towards a teammate, you think he wanted to hurt his goalie? He clearly was looking at the post and wasn't thinking about where Vokoun was. It was Frustration towards himself for Kovalchuk having beating him then scored. Players aren't trying to look cool when they do stuff like that, they are people and get frustrated and act out like any of us would. They aren't thinking "Oh it would look great on TV if I break my stick" One time I was golfing and missed a 4 foot putt to break 80 for the first time ever and when I missed it I threw my putter at my bag, I wasn't thinking about how cool it would look to throw a club, I no its Childish, I was pissed because I just f***ed up what should have been an easy shot and threw my club out of a moment of anger.

My question is do you think he should be suspended? 2 game for stupidity or something. I realize I sort of just defended him but you still have to control your actions. He should have been aware of where Vokoun was or any other players around him. Of course he probably learned his lesson.

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sharksfan44
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Posted - 11/30/2009 :  20:16:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the only way i see him getting suspended by the league would be if they want to send a message to other players telling them to stop breaking sticks, throwing water bottles etc.
i do think though that he could possibly be suspended by his team. maybe sit him out for a game or two and let him learn his lesson.
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Beans15
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Posted - 11/30/2009 :  20:27:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You don't think he learned his lesson already?? Do anyone actually think that this guy will ever do it again??

I mean Ballard is one of the cleanest players in the game. He gets the average number of PIM's for an active physical d-man, but he has never been suspended for anything.

Really people, mountain out of a mole hill?? It was completely un-intentional. Smart?? Nope, not at all. But how often has a player been suspend or 'sat' by his team for making an honest mistake.

People break sticks over the net or on the boards nearly every game. This was completely unfortunate, but that's where it ends.
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Posted - 11/30/2009 :  22:48:17  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alex

In general, I think it's totally immature to break sticks, throw water bottles, slam bench doors, etc. out of frustration. It's a sport. If you made a mistake, do NOT try to look cool, do NOT make it seem like you "should have had it", do NOT try to blame the stick, the bench, the water... Ballard, you were late on the play. Even if you weren't, what right do you, or anyone, have to publicly display the frustration you harbour towards fellow teammates? None.

Childish.



exactly, emotions or not its not game 7 of the playoffs grow up and set a better example for children
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Canucks Man
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Posted - 11/30/2009 :  23:25:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Exactly before you break your stick think about the children. Give your head a shake, those players are not thinking about the any of the 10 people who were in attendance he was thinking he messed up his team got scored on and he wants to hit his stick as hard as he can on the post. Everybody get angry and upset, it was a compete accident and there is really no reason To start talking about thinking about the people watching the game. Ballard made a mistake, he was not the first person to break his stick and he won't be the last. There really isn't a need to start bringing up silly things like "think about the poor children, oh my god what If a child saw that!" honestly people.

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Alex116
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Posted - 12/01/2009 :  01:15:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Totally agree....guys get frustrated and these things happen. While i do agree to some extent that they are role models, give them a break! Let them show some emotions! They're freakin' human beings! I have no problem with this action (aside from the Ballard taking out his own goalie).......
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Posted - 12/01/2009 :  06:21:44  Reply with Quote
All though he does not really deserve it - he should get a fine or suspension - whatever.
He cannot get away with nothing.
Even if he did not chop Vokoun's ear off, it's his actions he should get reprimanded for.
As should any other players swinging their sticks at someone else's property.
He'd be in jail if his stick was swung at your window, wouldn't he?
Everyone gets frustrated at some time or another at their "work place". But all professionals at any job do not destroy property.
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sharksfan44
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Posted - 12/01/2009 :  07:17:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest7752

All though he does not really deserve it - he should get a fine or suspension - whatever.
He cannot get away with nothing.
Even if he did not chop Vokoun's ear off, it's his actions he should get reprimanded for.
As should any other players swinging their sticks at someone else's property.
He'd be in jail if his stick was swung at your window, wouldn't he?
Everyone gets frustrated at some time or another at their "work place". But all professionals at any job do not destroy property.



i completely agree. beans ur probably right and he probably has learned his lesson and im sure he feels terrible about it, but this was just too serious of an incident to go unnoticed. as unitentional as it was, something has to happen. maybe he doesnt have to be suspended, maybe not even fined, but it should at least be adressed to ballard ant the team that stuff like this shouldnt happen.
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Beans15
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Posted - 12/01/2009 :  07:43:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Who is going to suspend him??? Injuring your own team??? C'mon people, think logically for a second. Think of how many times a player has been seen breaking a stick in frustration?? Did they all get suspended??

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Posted - 12/01/2009 :  08:18:26  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

Who is going to suspend him??? Injuring your own team??? C'mon people, think logically for a second. Think of how many times a player has been seen breaking a stick in frustration?? Did they all get suspended??




Maybe it's time to start fining "all" people that abuse arena property.
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admin
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Posted - 12/01/2009 :  09:58:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sharksfan44 has a similar thread going and provided this link so that other could see the incident.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=300597 the video is on the right side of the screen
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sharksfan44
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Posted - 12/01/2009 :  12:03:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

Who is going to suspend him??? Injuring your own team??? C'mon people, think logically for a second. Think of how many times a player has been seen breaking a stick in frustration?? Did they all get suspended??





many times, unfortunatley this time someone got hurt and i really think it should at least be addresed. and who could suspend him? his own team could bench him. it may not be an offical suspension but his team could not play him.

we see players do this all the time and they never get in trouble whatsoever, your right there. i would just like to see this as something addressed to everyone. ya u get caught in the heat of the moment but its still uneccessary and this time someone got hurt.
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Canucks Man
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Posted - 12/01/2009 :  12:18:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest7752

All though he does not really deserve it - he should get a fine or suspension - whatever.
He cannot get away with nothing.
Even if he did not chop Vokoun's ear off, it's his actions he should get reprimanded for.
As should any other players swinging their sticks at someone else's property.
He'd be in jail if his stick was swung at your window, wouldn't he?
Everyone gets frustrated at some time or another at their "work place". But all professionals at any job do not destroy property.


If he Broke your window he would get charged with destroying someone elses property, all he was doing was breaking his own stick! He didn't do any damage to arena or league property I doubt even paint chipped off the post. People would also be arrested for bare knuckle brawling in a bar or work place would they not? If you body checked someone on the street it would be assualt would it not? If you beaked a guy for wearing a pink shirt or doing something stupid you could get arrested, right? Face it theres no need for any punishement here.

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Leafs81
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Posted - 12/01/2009 :  12:20:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Al MacInnis, of all people, once slam his stick on the bench and broke his teamplayer's fingers. So stuff like this happens, it's stupid to do, but to hurt your player will give you more of a lesson then a suspenssion, a fine or anything else.

And yeah it is unsportsmanlike and dangerous to slam your stick anywhere.
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Tiller33
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Posted - 12/01/2009 :  12:22:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
haha dont worry I think we wont be seeing much of ballard after this probably be playing out his days for one of our local senior A teams

There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
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Posted - 12/01/2009 :  17:00:40  Reply with Quote
although he obviously wasn't it, kind of looks like him pissed at vokoun for not stopping that and hitting him because of that
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Alex116
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Posted - 12/01/2009 :  22:21:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No way does he get anything (fine, suspension, etc) from the league and likely not from his own team. He messed up, prob feels as bad as the action made him look, but that's as far as it'll go.

Yeah, the rules do state you have to be in control of your stick at all times, blah, blah, blah, but you don't get a high sticking penalty if you clip your teammate.

I would have no problem if the league changed the rules and gave out unsportsmanlike penalties for this sort of behaviour. The NFL penalizes guys if they boot the ball away after a miss. The NBA does similar by throwing technical fouls at guys if they throw or swat the ball away after a miss or a foul or something? But, for this instance, Ballard's likely gonna get off with nothing but the embarrassment and likely a dinner or two bought for his goalie?
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slozo
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Posted - 12/02/2009 :  04:34:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am surprised that some of you don't seem to think that players should be culpable for ALL of their actions - whether it is intentional, mildly unintentional, or totally unintended. We cannot measure intent very well for the most part after all, and it is so much easier to levy fines, suspensions and penalties without trying to measure how much a player "meant" to do something.

1. It was clearly very careless use of the stick.
2. It was not a hockey play.
3. The action resulted in gross injury.

Thus, the player should be punished accordingly . . . I would think in the range of 3-5 games.

And no, I don't think the NHL willl do that.

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug

Edited by - slozo on 12/02/2009 04:35:51
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Posted - 12/02/2009 :  07:18:26  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Canucks Man

quote:
Originally posted by Guest7752

All though he does not really deserve it - he should get a fine or suspension - whatever.
He cannot get away with nothing.
Even if he did not chop Vokoun's ear off, it's his actions he should get reprimanded for.
As should any other players swinging their sticks at someone else's property.
He'd be in jail if his stick was swung at your window, wouldn't he?
Everyone gets frustrated at some time or another at their "work place". But all professionals at any job do not destroy property.


If he Broke your window he would get charged with destroying someone elses property, all he was doing was breaking his own stick! He didn't do any damage to arena or league property I doubt even paint chipped off the post. People would also be arrested for bare knuckle brawling in a bar or work place would they not? If you body checked someone on the street it would be assualt would it not? If you beaked a guy for wearing a pink shirt or doing something stupid you could get arrested, right? Face it theres no need for any punishement here.

CANUCKS RULE!!!



Punishments are not only dependant on the damage or injuries sustained. They are equally based on the "intent" to damage or injure.
If someone intends to beat the crap out of you but does not touch you because he tripped and broke his finger before his fist hit you - he still gets "punished".
And so should Ballard for intending to beat the sh*t out of the net, which is not his property, nor the NHL's property.
Maybe the arena ownership should get involved and sue him for intended vandalism.... just to set an example to the rest of the players that this behavior is not acceptable.
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slozo
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Posted - 12/02/2009 :  08:33:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
People, you have to remember - this is the same as an unintentional stick swing against an opponent, with a slightly different twist that makes it worse:

It happened after the play, and was not a hockey play.

So, to make a comparison, this stick swing SHOULD be worse than, say, a big swing for a slap shot that pokes an opponent's eye . . . or a chippy play where the player while lifting his stick jabs an unseen opponent behind him in the face. All unintentional - all illegal offences (careless use of the stick, high sticking, etc.)

So, this incident took place after a goal, which means: the play is dead. And, he swings his stick in a non hockey play that would often get (and SHOULD get) a penalty as well, on its own. And on top of all that, he severely injures a player while doing this - which happens to be his own player.

Definite penalty, definitely worthy of a suspension.

Anything less says, "it's ok to do this, and you should be careful, otherwise you might hurt someone if you are careless, and you'll be punished with your own guilt".

Does anyone saying no suspension think players should be governing their own behaviour with guilty feelings?

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
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Beans15
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Posted - 12/02/2009 :  08:38:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Slozo, I don't completely disagree, however if this is the case, where does one draw the line. If a water bottle is thrown, will someone get a suspension?? If they angrily slam the door to the penalty box, will there be a suspension??

If the NHL or a team is going to discipline on something like this, there needs to be some kind of guidelines.

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slozo
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Posted - 12/02/2009 :  09:43:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Beans - if you don't completely disagree . . . where exactly do you disagree?

You ask "if a water bottle is thrown, will they get a suspension??"

Wow, I don't know Beans . . . when is the water bottle thrown, at whom is it thrown, who does it actually hit, and is there an injury as a result, and how sever is the injury if so?

I'll answer your hypothetical 'accusation' then. OR let me put it to you this way: if the bottle is thrown by a player or coach on purpose towards the referee and it causes the ref slight injury or at the very least makes him duck - then yes, suspension is warranted. That would fall under assaulting the referee, and is a serious charge.

Give me an actual scenario, and I'll answer that question - but I have a feeling you were just posing a ridiculous, rhetorical question.

Then you ask, "if they angrily slam the door to the penalty box, will there be a suspension??"

What the heck closing a penalty box door has to do with this incident is beyond me . . . and what is also beyond me is why you take an aggressive, accusatory tone (double question marks will do that) that implies I am being ridiculous to suggest
that a suspension should be levied for careless use of the stick after the play that resulted in a serious concussion.

Yes, obviously the NHL needs better, clearer guidelines - I have been saying so ever since I got on this site, and have thought this for quite some time. The arbitrary (see: thought up out of Colin Campbell's imagination) nature of suspensions in the NHL as it is today is ludicrous.


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fat_elvis_rocked
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Posted - 12/02/2009 :  09:48:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I do wonder why the refs don't utilize the existing Unsporstmanlike Conduct penalties that are available to them.

That is simply what this was...unspotsmanlike conduct, that went awry. I realize it is serious, but let's take a breath and get a grip a bit here, some would see him tarred and feathered.

The rules allow for various levels of punishment for the aforementioned penalty, from a minor to a match and everything in between. Maybe if the call would be used with more discretion and frequency, the childish behaviour could begin to be controlled a bit.

I understand the frustration, but they are professionals, and in these particular instances need to maybe be reminded of that. 2 minutes in the penalty box, and giving the opponent a power play, after they just scored, would cause much introspection methinks.
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slozo
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Posted - 12/02/2009 :  10:10:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Fat Elvis - assuming you were referring to me when you say that some here want to see Ballard "tarred and feathered":

Is 3-5 games suspension for causing a serious concussion after the play "tarring and feathering" in your world? Because it ain't in mine.

You are right - penalty should have been called. It's in the rulebook. Terrible reffing.

Injury as a result of a non-hockey play after a goal? Suspendable.

I'll ask you this, Fat Elvis: What if the hockey player in question had skated to the bench, broken his stick in frustration over the boards, and a flying shard of wood from the broken stick flew through the protective mesh and landed in some kid's eye, causing it damage? It's even more unlikely obviously, but it's also a similar circumstance, and just as unintentional.

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
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Tiller33
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Posted - 12/02/2009 :  10:18:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
He doesn't have a serious concussion just a couple stitches. No signs of concussion of hearing impairment and is sitting out tonights game as a precaution.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=AtnycxaAmWNa_glZekTDkalivLYF?slug=rotowire-omasokounillotlayedn&prov=rotowire&type=fantasy

Imagine if a hockey player ate a peanut butter sandwich then came to the rink coughed and some peant particles landed on another player who went home and snuggled with his wife who was allergic to peanuts, went into anaphylactic shock and died.

Really come on its getting rigoddamndiculous it was a retarded move on Ballard's part and not even close to a suspendable act hence the reason the league came out and said they never even considered looking at it.

There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
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Posted - 12/02/2009 :  10:19:14  Reply with Quote
That's the problem here - nobody reminds the players of anything having to do with respect anymore.
By reminding the players, I mean calling these penalties you mention for any unsportsmanlike conduct.
Hockey always was, and should remain a rough, hard hitting sport - but what’s missing in hockey is the respect for the opposition, respect for the refs, respect for the game, and respect for the rules. I think that's why hockey will never be on a world-class scale as other sports much more popular all over the world.
Incidents such as this are laughed at and pushed away as venting frustrations... which are wrong.
How can we sell hockey all over the world with attitudes like this, as well as attitude that if you don't like this - then go away.
Ovie himself is taking this too far with his knee-on-knee, followed by what I believe to be a "fake" injury to undermine the incident.
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fat_elvis_rocked
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Posted - 12/02/2009 :  11:46:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Actually Slozo, I wasn't singling anyone out, I was using a coined phrase as a summation of various poster's comments.
Try not to assume my friend, you assume I'm being confrontational and argumentative, I then assume you're being paranoid and defensive, you assume...I assume...we both ass...ume.

My point is simply as I stated, the rules are there, use them. The problem, is the age old one that rules try to enforce, mostly unsuccessfully, that of intent versus result.

Should the punishment fit the crime? Of course....tempered with judgement regarding intent. I would bet my children's college funds that Ballard did not intend to whack the bejeepers out of Vokoun. Unfortunate circumstance.

Had the play been followed up with a significant penalty, and accompanying review, for careless unsportsmanlike conduct, it would have then sent a message that you are responsible for your actions regardless of circumstance.

A suspension for inadvertently injuring your own teammate, in my opinion, shouldn't garner said suspension, leave that for the team to deal with, if they so choose.

Had the inadvertent injury occurred to an opponent, well, then, that would....wait that's getting into the 'what if' world.

I choose to deal with 'what ifs' with my own little analogy,
'What if your Aunt Martha had a package, would she then be your Uncle Marty?'....

The situations need to be defined individually, not in
'what ifs',

In this case, I would have preferred to have seen, a major penalty, or perhaps a game misconduct for unsportsmanlike, with the ensuing 2 minute PP, based on the results from this unintentionable, yet punishable, offence.

Just my opinion, and remember, ASS/U/ME

Edited by - fat_elvis_rocked on 12/02/2009 11:51:00
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Tiller33
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Posted - 12/02/2009 :  12:06:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest7752

That's the problem here - nobody reminds the players of anything having to do with respect anymore.
By reminding the players, I mean calling these penalties you mention for any unsportsmanlike conduct.
Hockey always was, and should remain a rough, hard hitting sport - but what’s missing in hockey is the respect for the opposition, respect for the refs, respect for the game, and respect for the rules. I think that's why hockey will never be on a world-class scale as other sports much more popular all over the world.
Incidents such as this are laughed at and pushed away as venting frustrations... which are wrong.
How can we sell hockey all over the world with attitudes like this, as well as attitude that if you don't like this - then go away.
Ovie himself is taking this too far with his knee-on-knee, followed by what I believe to be a "fake" injury to undermine the incident.



Wow

So in baseball the respect for the game and rules is shown in massive use of steroids over the last 2 decades where most of the icons of our generation are now questioned to be worthy of the Hall of Fame

Football respect for the game and rules is shown through prominent use of performance enchaning drugs which is only a 4 game suspension and guys like Shawn Merriman get suspended and still voted into the Pro Bowl

Soccer arguably the most popular sport worldwide is founded on the ability to sell a fake injury to the referees ergo lieing and not respecting them.

Basketball became such a joke that the Commisioner had to institute a dress code for players.

Ya this makes hockey way more embarassing than the other major worldwide sports ...

There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
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Guest7752
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Posted - 12/02/2009 :  12:16:05  Reply with Quote
get real sir....
there are other non-american sports out there...
cylcing
speedskating
rugby
racing
etc....
get your mind out ot toronto... it's not representative of the entire world
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Tiller33
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Did you seriously just compare cycling and speed skating to Hockey in a hockey forum??????

Other than the Tour De France name a bike race you could have at least said Tennis or Golf or even Cricket something relevant

There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
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Posted - 12/02/2009 :  12:21:41  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tiller33

Did you seriously just compare cycling and speed skating to Hockey in a hockey forum??????

Other than the Tour De France name a bike race you could have at least said Tennis or Golf or even Cricket something relevant

There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem


who the he*l is comparing... can you not read man!!!!
you're so paranoid!!! what are you afriad of... we're not all out to hang you by your ba*ls
you're worse of than i thought
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phlyguy90
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Posted - 12/02/2009 :  12:24:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i have no problem with the action of breaking a stick on a goal post out of frustration....in fact i have done the same thing numerous times, but in this instance i think a 2 game suspension is in order....totally irresponsible.
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Tiller33
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quote:
Originally posted by Guest7752

quote:
Originally posted by Tiller33

Did you seriously just compare cycling and speed skating to Hockey in a hockey forum??????

Other than the Tour De France name a bike race you could have at least said Tennis or Golf or even Cricket something relevant

There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem


who the he*l is comparing... can you not read man!!!!
you're so paranoid!!! what are you afriad of... we're not all out to hang you by your ba*ls
you're worse of than i thought



This is great what am I paranoid about exactly?

And what am I worse of?

And leave my balls out of this

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Canucks Man
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Posted - 12/02/2009 :  12:38:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest7752

quote:
Originally posted by Canucks Man

quote:
Originally posted by Guest7752

All though he does not really deserve it - he should get a fine or suspension - whatever.
He cannot get away with nothing.
Even if he did not chop Vokoun's ear off, it's his actions he should get reprimanded for.
As should any other players swinging their sticks at someone else's property.
He'd be in jail if his stick was swung at your window, wouldn't he?
Everyone gets frustrated at some time or another at their "work place". But all professionals at any job do not destroy property.


If he Broke your window he would get charged with destroying someone elses property, all he was doing was breaking his own stick! He didn't do any damage to arena or league property I doubt even paint chipped off the post. People would also be arrested for bare knuckle brawling in a bar or work place would they not? If you body checked someone on the street it would be assualt would it not? If you beaked a guy for wearing a pink shirt or doing something stupid you could get arrested, right? Face it theres no need for any punishement here.

CANUCKS RULE!!!



Punishments are not only dependant on the damage or injuries sustained. They are equally based on the "intent" to damage or injure.
If someone intends to beat the crap out of you but does not touch you because he tripped and broke his finger before his fist hit you - he still gets "punished".
And so should Ballard for intending to beat the sh*t out of the net, which is not his property, nor the NHL's property.
Maybe the arena ownership should get involved and sue him for intended vandalism.... just to set an example to the rest of the players that this behavior is not acceptable.


Ohh Man, I have not laughed that hard in a while. Intending to beat the sh*t out of the net? Big metal post vs stick that will break if you take a shot the wrong way, the only message you would be sending is that it is not ok to be human, I feel like breaking my key board when I read some of the posts on this topic. Honestly unsportsmanlike conduct? Ovechkin can dance over stick after he scores and make an ass out of himself after every goal but a guy can't show a little frustation on the ice? You don't think Ballard didn't already learn his lesson? The only way Flordia makes the playoffs is if Vokoun plays well enough to get them there, plus Vokouns got the Oylmpics in a couple of months. Theres nothing in the rule book that says this is unsportsmanlike conduct, and you don't get a penalty for high sticking your own teamate no matter how careless it was. this was just a freak accident.
and Tiller33 it looks like we will actually be seeing Ballard in the NHL tonight, playing the Colorado Avalanche.

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Tiller33
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Posted - 12/02/2009 :  12:43:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yep it looks like he has been made to feel shame and probably owe's Vokun a few more blocked shots.

Ya its a joke if any one of you guys posting for a suspension can honestly say you have never done anything like this getting mad on the ice then like canucksman said you're not human. I've hextalled more than a few sticks over the net in my time.

There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
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Posted - 12/02/2009 :  13:12:37  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Tiller33

Yep it looks like he has been made to feel shame and probably owe's Vokun a few more blocked shots.

Ya its a joke if any one of you guys posting for a suspension can honestly say you have never done anything like this getting mad on the ice then like canucksman said you're not human. I've hextalled more than a few sticks over the net in my time.

There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem


You sound more like you've hit a few posts with your head in your time.
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fat_elvis_rocked
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Posted - 12/02/2009 :  13:29:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We've all done it.....
He's only human...
show a little frustration...

I hear what you guys are saying, but does that it make it acceptable? Is it sportsmanlike conduct? Breaking a stick?

What's next?, punching the dog? 'Yeah, I went -4 tonight, s'okay tho, i'll beat the crap out of the dog when I get home, caused I'm only a frustrated human and we've all done it'....

Please, we HAVEN'T all done it. Been frustrated while playing hockey due to a bad play, for sure, but degenerate into a neandrethal and break things? Speak for yourselves, and I for one, would like to be able hold professionals to a little higher scrutiny.

They cash the cheques, they have to be accountable for their professional behaviour like the rest of us when working...
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 12/02/2009 :  13:49:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree with FER, this should never be acceptable, but it does happen....

I seem to remember Roenick tossing a water bottle at the refs after getting high sticked with no call. Hell, a week ago Alfredsson threw his stick at Zach Parise because he had a breakaway on an empty net, since when was it ok to throw hockey sticks?


Back to what FER said, I have a buddy on my hockey team who goes through sticks like he goes through cigarettes. Every game he breaks at least 1, on purpose! f***ing $200 hockey sticks are smashed to peices because he took a penalty, or the other team scored or we lost the game, just stupid s*** and it pisses off everyone on the team. We finally had to sit him down and tell him to stop, its completley unacceptable.

Something like this thing with Ballard is just more proof that its never a good idea to start smashing things with a hockey stick. its just dumb and it makes you look like a sore loser.


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