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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 06/03/2010 :  04:42:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What free agents would you like to see your team sign on July 1st,They must have never played for your team for you to choose them.

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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 06/03/2010 :  04:45:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would like to see the Sharks sign....

Wojtek Wolski
Jaroslav Halak or Carey Price
Peter Mueller
Anton Volchenkov

Trade Setoguchi for Voracek

Then the Sharks roster would look like.
Wolski-Thornton-Voracek
Heatley-Marleau-Mueller
Couture-Malhotra-Pavelski
Clowe-Nichol-Vesce
Wingels

Demers-Boyle
Murray-Vlasic
Doherty-Volchenkov
Huskins

Halak or Price
Greiss

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slozo
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Posted - 06/03/2010 :  06:00:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'd like the Leafs to sign:
Marleau - C (would be tough to keep him under 7 mil/year, but he is the entire package)
M. Cooke - LW (good on pk, agitator, experienced)

Along with that, I'd trade away Grabovski, Wallin, and yes, Kaberle, almost all for picks except that I'd get a scoring RWer in the Kaberle deal (for argument's sake, l'll say it's someone like . . . Frolik from Florida). Then with Kadri coming up and playing a full season, the line-up would look something like this:

Kulemin - Marleau - Kessel
Stalberg - Kadri - Frolik (scoring RW with potential, needs size)
Cooke - Bozak - Lundmark
Sjostrom/Caputi - Mitchell - Orr

D remains the same minue Kaberle, and Giggy and the Monster mostly tandem until one is clearly the starter.

Really, the key is a #1 centre for me, and right now, the only free agent that fits the bill for Toronto is Marleau in my eyes - and he would fit the "Burke mold" perfectly. Other than him, I'd have to look for a trade . . . but valuable centres like that don't grow on trees, and you'd have to give up maybe more than a Kaberle to get a player of that calibre.

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
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Alex116
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Posted - 06/03/2010 :  08:16:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by slozo
M. Cooke - LW (good on pk, agitator, experienced)



Slozo, is this Matt Cooke you speak of? The one currently with Pittsburgh? The one who always shows up on most peoples "most hated players list" at or near the top (maybe just behind Burrows in some cases?)

Well, props to you for being honest about actually wanting this guy! I know most on here will have something to say about your desire to obtain his services for the Leafs!!!!
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slozo
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Posted - 06/03/2010 :  08:49:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yep, that Matt Cooke.

He was a very valuable piece to the Pittsburgh puzzle when they went to the finals twice and won once, and the Leafs need a "smart" agitator. Tucker was good for a year or two, but became stupid. Corson was ok in the past, but there were non-hockey issues and he had to be moved. But since those guys, the Leafs have been wanting for such a character, and I think they need one.

And Rambo - Marleau's natural position is centre, no? Why would you move your best player away from their natural position? The only reason Marleau plays RW (or is it LW?) for San Jose is because of Thornton being the top centre. See? Top centre doesn't move, the other guys have to move.

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
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lyall
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Posted - 06/03/2010 :  09:24:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would like the OIlers to sign Marleau. 6.5 M for 3 years.
Also i would like to get Milan Jurcina for a about 5 years at around 3 M a year.
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 06/03/2010 :  11:43:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by slozo

Yep, that Matt Cooke.

He was a very valuable piece to the Pittsburgh puzzle when they went to the finals twice and won once, and the Leafs need a "smart" agitator. Tucker was good for a year or two, but became stupid. Corson was ok in the past, but there were non-hockey issues and he had to be moved. But since those guys, the Leafs have been wanting for such a character, and I think they need one.

And Rambo - Marleau's natural position is centre, no? Why would you move your best player away from their natural position? The only reason Marleau plays RW (or is it LW?) for San Jose is because of Thornton being the top centre. See? Top centre doesn't move, the other guys have to move.

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug



I was thinking that...but when you look at Bozak's numbers to end the year, not to mention his FO%, Bozak can develop into a #1 sooner rather then later...
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Pasty7
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Posted - 06/03/2010 :  13:26:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jumbo Joe Rocks

I would like to see the Sharks sign....

Wojtek Wolski
Jaroslav Halak or Carey Price
Peter Mueller

Trade Setoguchi for Voracek

Then the Sharks roter would look like.
Wolski-Thornton-Voracek
Heatley-Marleau-Mueller
Couture-Malhotra-Pavelski
Clowe-Nichol-Vesce

Demers-Boyle
Murray-Vlasic
Doherty-Huskins

Halak or Price
Greiss

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i ve said this like a 100 times price and halak are RFA's you cant just sighn them you would have to make an offer sheet and the habs could match

Pasty
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Leafs81
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Posted - 06/03/2010 :  16:01:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't think the Habs will keep both. And yes they are RFA but I think one of of them will be traded, mostly Price, just like the Bruins did with Kessel.

Also I don't think Marleau signs with the Leafs unless Burke fires Ron Wilson.

So yeah fire Ron Wilson and then sign Marleau, I would be one happy Leafs fan after that.
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FLYING -V
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Posted - 06/03/2010 :  16:02:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

list of UFAs


http://www.sportscity.com/nhl/2010-nhl-unrestricted-free-agents-by-position/

list of RFAs
http://www.sportscity.com/nhl/2010-nhl-restricted-free-agents-by-team/

thought they'd be helpful to the discussion

Its not worth winning if you cant win big!
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The Duke
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Posted - 06/03/2010 :  16:02:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
marleau would be great for the leafs...i agree with slozo, matt cooke may be this or that but these type of players WIN...claude lemieux comes to mind. Yes, every opposing player hates these guys but they are winners. I would also go after colby armstrong
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FLYING -V
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Posted - 06/03/2010 :  16:13:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hopefully niedermayer comes back (unlikely) and we can re-sign him. We're also going to have to re-sign RFAs Bobby Ryan and james wisniewski. I'd like to see the ducks pick up a big ticket UFA(ie.Marleau,Kovalchuk), but realistically, we won't have anywhere near the cap room to pull in one of those guys in. A player we could realistically go after is Dan Hamhuis, who i feel is extremely underrated and could help ease the pain of losing Scott

Its not worth winning if you cant win big!
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redneck76ca
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Posted - 06/04/2010 :  01:57:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by FLYING -V

hopefully niedermayer comes back (unlikely) and we can re-sign him. We're also going to have to re-sign RFAs Bobby Ryan and james wisniewski. I'd like to see the ducks pick up a big ticket UFA(ie.Marleau,Kovalchuk), but realistically, we won't have anywhere near the cap room to pull in one of those guys in. A player we could realistically go after is Dan Hamhuis, who i feel is extremely underrated and could help ease the pain of losing Scott

Its not worth winning if you cant win big!


There is alot of talk that Hamhuis will be a Canuck next year.
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 06/04/2010 :  05:52:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Trade D Tomas Kaberle to Philadelphia for C Jeff Carter (If Marleau won't sign for less then $7M)
Sign LW Tomas Holmstrom (Size to play with Kadri and Kulemin)
Sign F Wade Belak (Bring back T.O.'s favourite agitator!)

Jonas Gustavsson is the clear cut number 1. Look at his numbers post-olympics last year...

Use Keith Aullie (Aquired in Phanuef deal) to fill the 6 spot on defense...

1) Phil Kesel - Jeff Carter - Tyler Bozak
2) Tomas Holmstrom - Nazem Kadri - Nikolai Kulemin
3) Luca Caputi - Mikail Grabovski - Victor Stalberg
4) Wade Belak - John Mtchell - Colton Orr

1) Carl Gunnarson - Dion Phaneuf
2) Francois Beachemin - Luke Schenn
3) Mike Komisarek - Keith Aullie

1) Jonas Gustavsson
2) J.S. Giguiere

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Pasty7
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Posted - 06/04/2010 :  06:09:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rambo2305

Trade D Tomas Kaberle to Philadelphia for C Jeff Carter (If Marleau won't sign for less then $7M)
Sign LW Tomas Holmstrom (Size to play with Kadri and Kulemin)
Sign F Wade Belak (Bring back T.O.'s favourite agitator!)

Jonas Gustavsson is the clear cut number 1. Look at his numbers post-olympics last year...

Use Keith Aullie (Aquired in Phanuef deal) to fill the 6 spot on defense...

1) Phil Kesel - Jeff Carter - Tyler Bozak
2) Tomas Holmstrom - Nazem Kadri - Nikolai Kulemin
3) Luca Caputi - Brayden Irwin - Victor Stalberg
4) Wade Belak - John Mtchell - Colton Orr

1) Carl Gunnarson - Dion Phaneuf
2) Francois Beachemin - Luke Schenn
3) Mike Komisarek - Keith Aullie

1) Jonas Gustavsson
2) J.S. Giguiere



hahaha wow this made me laugh a 25 year old Carter who is a top 10 arguably in the league for a 30 year old Kabby who is nowhere near the same class as carter straight up,, you would have trouble getting a first rounder for kabby thats why he still is a leaf noone would give burke what he wanted,,, and his valu is only going down because the great contract he is sighned to is ending after this season wow.... there is no way this could ever happen!

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Pasty7
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Posted - 06/04/2010 :  07:44:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
oh and Holmstrom just extended his contract with the wings

Pasty
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/04/2010 :  12:02:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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There is alot of talk that Hamhuis will be a Canuck next year.


Here's hoping. I'd love to see him here, we have a big Mitchell hole to replace. I'd like to see either him or Volchenkov, but there is a lot of talk that Volly will be off to Washington to play with the the other Russians.

Rambo - Carter for Kaberle? Seriously? I know why Burke would consider it, but why do you think the Flyers would even consider that deal?

There are so many UFA's to choose from, I don't know where to begin. IMO the Canucks could use 1 top-6 wing forward (use the 4M that Demitra was making to get them) and one top-9 forward. Lots of UFA names that would be good fits, as well as potential trades with teams that need to dump salaries (would be nice to get Sharp from CHI if we could).

Also need 1 top-4 dman and 1 top-6 dman to fill in the holes. Preferrably one offensively minded and one stay-at-home. Hamhuis would be a good one, Paul Martin would be a good one... again there are so many names to choose from.

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irvine
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Posted - 06/04/2010 :  13:06:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Plenty of UFA available as of right now, altough the list will drop substantially by July 1.

For the Sens... well, we need some work.

First thing first, we need to fill the hole left by Volchenkov. This hurts, bad. Vol is highly underrated in the league. He's a top shot blocking, shut down d-man. Losing him, is going to hurt the Sens big time.

So, we need to try and fill that hole. Hamhuis could be a good fit, altough i'm unsure of his overall style of play. Don't get to see a lot of him.

We need a true goal scorer too. To play with Spezza. Finding one, within budget will be tough.



Irvine/prez.
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Deaner
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Posted - 06/04/2010 :  13:46:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm hoping the leafs go after marleau or kovalchuk. it's nice to dream....
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 06/04/2010 :  15:10:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by slozo


And Rambo - Marleau's natural position is centre, no? Why would you move your best player away from their natural position? The only reason Marleau plays RW (or is it LW?) for San Jose is because of Thornton being the top centre. See? Top centre doesn't move, the other guys have to move.

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug


Slozo, I am sorry but I have to say I hate your team. Nothing personal, but c'mon, Marleau? Have you watched hockey at all. Marleau was moved to the wing this season because he is not a good center man....he shoots the puck too much. A center man should be more of a playmaker, and with Kessel on our team a playmaker is exactly what we need. Marleau is nowhere near a playmaker, and his skating is sloppy at best to be a center man.

He was moved to the 2nd line RW spot with Joe Pavelski this year, and he had one of his best offensive totals. He is better on the wing, and although he can play center, he sucks at that position.

Do you think we honestly need another overpaid player who will find no chemistry with the team?
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Pasty7
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Posted - 06/04/2010 :  15:44:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by leafsfan_101

quote:
Originally posted by slozo


And Rambo - Marleau's natural position is centre, no? Why would you move your best player away from their natural position? The only reason Marleau plays RW (or is it LW?) for San Jose is because of Thornton being the top centre. See? Top centre doesn't move, the other guys have to move.

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug


Slozo, I am sorry but I have to say I hate your team. Nothing personal, but c'mon, Marleau? Have you watched hockey at all. Marleau was moved to the wing this season because he is not a good center man....he shoots the puck too much. A center man should be more of a playmaker, and with Kessel on our team a playmaker is exactly what we need. Marleau is nowhere near a playmaker, and his skating is sloppy at best to be a center man.

He was moved to the 2nd line RW spot with Joe Pavelski this year, and he had one of his best offensive totals. He is better on the wing, and although he can play center, he sucks at that position.

Do you think we honestly need another overpaid player who will find no chemistry with the team?



really? i watch a lot of hockey and i have seen Marleau play a lot over the course of his career, but sloppy he sucks at the center position i have to respectivly disagree, he is probably a top 15 center in the league in my opinion and he can make plays 40 plus assists this year is nothing to snub,,, he would be the leafs best player forsure maybe you could make the argument for kessel being better but thats it...

Pasty
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 06/04/2010 :  21:25:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Patty Marleau has surpassed the 80 point plateau only twice, and has only cracked over 40 assists once. He is currently on a much better team than Toronto is, with much more support and depth. He barely reached 30 assists playing with the likes of Heatley, Thornton, Pavelski, Clowe, and Setoguchi. He comes to Toronto, and he has Kessel and Bozak.

I have seen Marleau play quite a bit, and he is not the fastest, nor is he remotely a good playmaker. It is crazy to suggest he could produce 40 assists on another team. He is definitely not centerman material, as shown by this year.

Explain why he had the second best point totals of his career this year, yet played primarily as a winger? Don't believe me? This year he was fifth on his team in faceoffs, behind the other top four centerman on that team, Thornton, Pavelski, Nichol, and Malholtra. Also, if you think back, he was the LWer on the Marleau - Thornton - Heatley line both during the regular season and Olympics. He was them moved to a 2nd line RWer role, playing with Pavelski and Ryan Clowe. Also, Pasty, explain why he was also a winger during his best pro season, playing on the wing as Thornton centered himself and Cheechoo.

So Pasty, I will have to respectfully disagree with you. he is not a good centerman. He is a good winger, yes, but we do not need to pay 7 mil for a slightly better version of Jason Blake. In fact, 7 mil is inasne for his services. If I was a GM, I'd go with something in the 5-6 million dollar range.

Bottom line is, Marleau is not, nor should be, a Toronto Maple Leaf.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/04/2010 :  23:51:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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So, we need to try and fill that hole. Hamhuis could be a good fit, altough i'm unsure of his overall style of play. Don't get to see a lot of him.


Irvine, I don't think that Hamhuis is going to go for much less than Volchenkov will. If the Sens are not going to sign Volchenkov, what makes you think they'll go after Hamhuis?
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/05/2010 :  05:35:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Marleau is not a good centreman? Have you watching him play a different sport?? Must have, because in hockey he is one of the better one's in the league.

Topped 80 points only twice??? Well, how many players crack 80 points in a season?? 17 this past season. Marleau is one of the top 20-30 producing players in the league (not just centremen, players), year after year.

Cracked 40 assists only once?? Try twice, and missed that number by one assists this past season. Again, how many players in the league crack 40 assists in a season?? Well, a lot. But when you look at centremen, there are around 20 that will get 40 or more assists. Consider this year, playing with one of the best playmakers in the NHL, where Marleau still managed to muster up enough assists to be the 11th highest left winger in the league.

Most importantly, do you have any idea how many players had more than 35 goals AND more than 35 assists??? This past year:

Crosby, Stamkos, Ovechkin, Gaborik, Kovalchuk, Semin, Heatley, Parise, and????


Patrick Marleau.



For a guy who claims to watch a ton of Marleau, I think you missed the boat complete. I am not saying that Marleau is going to put up Sedin/Thornton/Savard kind of assists. But you will consistently get 35 and 35, you will get a guy that can literally play every forward position on any line, you will get a legitimate #1 centre on 24+ teams in the league today, you will get a #1 PP guy (including on the point if needed) and a #1 PK guy.

You will get exactly what Slozo and Pasty suggest. That is one of the top 15 Centre's in the league. You can't fault Marleau for his coach putting him on the top line on the wing??? C'mon, that's a joke. You make comments like Marleau on the 2nd line is a demotion??? Often times coaches will move their stars around to get other line going.


All of this, however, is a moot point. If any centreman is leaving SJ, it's Thornton. I firmly believe that Marleau will get paid by the Sharks as they realize that HE is the player that brings it in crunch time, not Thornton.
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 06/05/2010 :  06:04:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sign Either Z. Michalek or A. Sutton and M. Cullen call up Wiercoch give Cowen 1 more year of junior

Forwards
Regin Spezza Alfredsson
M. Michalek Fisher Foligno
Kovalev Cullen Winchester
Neil Kelly Ruutu

Defence (If Z. Michalek signs)
Phillips Z. Michalek
Kuba Karlsson
Carkner Wiercoch

If Sutton signs
Phillips Kuba
Sutton Karlsson
Carkner Wiercoch

Goalies
Lecalaire
Elliot

You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/05/2010 :  06:57:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To the question at hand, I hope the Oilers don't sign a single UFA this year other than Jason Strudwick. He is a heart and soul kind of guy and solid to bring some players along.

Any other UFA the Oilers sign is simply a player getting over-paid and taking the minutes of a younger player who could be getting experience.

The only UFA's I would like to see in Oilers jerseys are Marleau and Kovalchuk. However, they will be grossly over paid and not worth it.
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 06/05/2010 :  08:25:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

Marleau is not a good centreman? Have you watching him play a different sport?? Must have, because in hockey he is one of the better one's in the league.

Topped 80 points only twice??? Well, how many players crack 80 points in a season?? 17 this past season. Marleau is one of the top 20-30 producing players in the league (not just centremen, players), year after year.

Cracked 40 assists only once?? Try twice, and missed that number by one assists this past season. Again, how many players in the league crack 40 assists in a season?? Well, a lot. But when you look at centremen, there are around 20 that will get 40 or more assists. Consider this year, playing with one of the best playmakers in the NHL, where Marleau still managed to muster up enough assists to be the 11th highest left winger in the league.

Most importantly, do you have any idea how many players had more than 35 goals AND more than 35 assists??? This past year:

Crosby, Stamkos, Ovechkin, Gaborik, Kovalchuk, Semin, Heatley, Parise, and????


Patrick Marleau.



For a guy who claims to watch a ton of Marleau, I think you missed the boat complete. I am not saying that Marleau is going to put up Sedin/Thornton/Savard kind of assists. But you will consistently get 35 and 35, you will get a guy that can literally play every forward position on any line, you will get a legitimate #1 centre on 24+ teams in the league today, you will get a #1 PP guy (including on the point if needed) and a #1 PK guy.

You will get exactly what Slozo and Pasty suggest. That is one of the top 15 Centre's in the league. You can't fault Marleau for his coach putting him on the top line on the wing??? C'mon, that's a joke. You make comments like Marleau on the 2nd line is a demotion??? Often times coaches will move their stars around to get other line going.


All of this, however, is a moot point. If any centreman is leaving SJ, it's Thornton. I firmly believe that Marleau will get paid by the Sharks as they realize that HE is the player that brings it in crunch time, not Thornton.



I don't doubt that he is not a good player. But I do doubt his ability to play center. His best season as a pro came in 05-06. That season the Sharks managed to steal away Joe Thornton from Boston, and had the scoring prowess of Jonathon Cheechoo. Was Marleau the one who dished passes to Cheechoo which led him to score 52 goals? Probably in some part, but I would venture to guess that Marleau's point totals were more of a beneficiary of Thornton and Cheechoo.

Marleau is a shoot first kind-of-player. If you cannot agree with that than you must either be ignorant to dumb. His style of play fits perfectly on the wing, as evidenced this year as the LWer on aline with Thornton and Heatley.

But you do not get a best-of-the-best centerman, especially if his price will be over 7 mil.
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slozo
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Posted - 06/05/2010 :  08:30:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the back-up on Marleau guys, but the comment about him being a terrible skater and sub par player were so ridiculous as to to not warrant a reply. I mean, he scored 44 goals this year playing a third of the time on the second line, and two thirds of the time on the "superstar" line with Heater and Thornton. Um, yeah, you are playing with a guy who is known only for his assists in Thornton, so yes, goals should go up and assists down, and as well, you have Heater there who was considered the more talented, younger more dynamic sniper. Yet Marleau scored 5 more goals than him . . . weird, for a crappy player.

Playing mostly on the second line in his career, point out to me another second line guy (besides Malkin, I will submit that's more like line 1 b) ) who gets that many goals and points on a consistent basis? Back in 05/06 when Marleau got his highest point totals, he played mostly on the second line with such superstars as Michalek and Bernier . . . there aren't too many players who can challenge for 80 point seasons with players like that on the second line.

No, I truly think Marleau is the big catch this year, closely followed by Kovalchuk, closely followed Price who will certainly leave Montreal. I have soured on Kovalchuk a bit, and I just think Marleau is more of a leadership/team guy who will also help your dressing room big time.

If the Leafs miss on Marleau, like I said, I think they should target a playmaking top line centre (not saying that is what Marleau is, he is more of a Sundin type, more dynamic) through trade by dangling Kaberle and a prospect, of which we have a fair bit now acquired through trades and whatnot.

But I think Marleau, on a different team, is ready to break out and blossom . . . but that's just a gut feeling.

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 06/05/2010 :  08:58:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by slozo

Thanks for the back-up on Marleau guys, but the comment about him being a terrible skater and sub par player were so ridiculous as to to not warrant a reply. I mean, he scored 44 goals this year playing a third of the time on the second line, and two thirds of the time on the "superstar" line with Heater and Thornton. Um, yeah, you are playing with a guy who is known only for his assists in Thornton, so yes, goals should go up and assists down, and as well, you have Heater there who was considered the more talented, younger more dynamic sniper. Yet Marleau scored 5 more goals than him . . . weird, for a crappy player.

Playing mostly on the second line in his career, point out to me another second line guy (besides Malkin, I will submit that's more like line 1 b) ) who gets that many goals and points on a consistent basis? Back in 05/06 when Marleau got his highest point totals, he played mostly on the second line with such superstars as Michalek and Bernier . . . there aren't too many players who can challenge for 80 point seasons with players like that on the second line.

No, I truly think Marleau is the big catch this year, closely followed by Kovalchuk, closely followed Price who will certainly leave Montreal. I have soured on Kovalchuk a bit, and I just think Marleau is more of a leadership/team guy who will also help your dressing room big time.

If the Leafs miss on Marleau, like I said, I think they should target a playmaking top line centre (not saying that is what Marleau is, he is more of a Sundin type, more dynamic) through trade by dangling Kaberle and a prospect, of which we have a fair bit now acquired through trades and whatnot.

But I think Marleau, on a different team, is ready to break out and blossom . . . but that's just a gut feeling.

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Nowhere did I say he was a crappy player. But he is not a good centerman. You bring up the point that he got a majority of his points on the 2nd line, both this year and throughout his career. In fact, that is incorrect. Marleau was on the top line LWer this year, then moved dwn to the 2nd line. Is it impressive he still played well on the 2nd line? Yes. But did he do it playing center? No. In his prior years, did he light it up as a centerman? No, in fact he had hid worst pro season as a star player in 07-08. Do the San Jose Sharks even consider him a centerman on their team? No, as evidenced by taking the 5th most faceoffs. That doesn't prove it? The Sharks website has him as a LWer on their depth chart. NHL.com does aswell.

I'm confused as to what you want here Slozo. I'm guessing that you want that dynamic, playmaking center I'm sure most of us in Leafs Nation do. But Marleau is shoot first, pass 2nd option. Do you agree? He is a great winger, sure, but he leaves much to be desired as a center man, and one the Leafs the should no pursue.
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slozo
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Posted - 06/05/2010 :  10:07:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In 05/06 he played almost entirely at centre on the second line. He only played with Cheechoo and Thornton on the pp. In fact, the next year they got Mark Bell if I remember correctly because of a lack of a left winger to play with Thornton.

What was your point again? I am not sure what YOU are getting at, if just to prove how clever you are . . . but getting over 50 assists on the second line is pretty damn dynamic and pretty darn awesome.

My contention is that Marleau plays better as a centre, and his points will rise if he's a #1 centre on another team.

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Posted - 06/05/2010 :  10:12:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by slozo

In 05/06 he played almost entirely at centre on the second line. He only played with Cheechoo and Thornton on the pp. In fact, the next year they got Mark Bell if I remember correctly because of a lack of a left winger to play with Thornton.

What was your point again? I am not sure what YOU are getting at, if just to prove how clever you are . . . but getting over 50 assists on the second line is pretty damn dynamic and pretty darn awesome.

My contention is that Marleau plays better as a centre, and his points will rise if he's a #1 centre on another team.

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Actually, he played on the top line that year. Nice try though.

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Posted - 06/05/2010 :  13:47:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Leafsfan 101 - you are foolish, very foolish indeed, if you think a pre-season posting about what the coach planned to do was how it actually panned out during the year.

I actually went through old boxscores before posting my assertion, as I am not a Sharks fan and had to do the research to figure out if I had remembered correctly. I had. For the most part that year, Thornton and Cheechoo played with a string of young guys, and once in a while it was Marleau . . . but only when their offence was struggling. This happened rarely that year, as both Thornton and Cheechoo lit it up.

Go through the old boxscores yourself. In almost every case, if Marleau and Thornton teamed up on the same goal, it's a pp marker.

Get your facts straight next time, please.

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slozo 1 leafs fan 0, the only words you should be typing now are you`re right i`m wrong,, the word sloppy should never be used in the same sentence as Marleau unless we re talking about how he eats his spaggetti, sure he is not worth 7 million but most players getting 7 millon plus are not,, and he will get it or damn close ,,, think about it how many players deserve the contracts they re getting,, guys like marleau are rare,, a true north south player a true work horse and a true talent he is very close as to what in the baseball world we call a 5 tool player,, in any situation on a team as stacked as san jose marleau is the guy getting the tap to go on the ice,, i watched a lot of his playoff games this year and he was by far san jose `s best player on the ice and that is exactly what he is supposed to be if you dont want marleau on the leafs thats fine he can come play for my blue blanc et rouge and you can face him and my boy cammy 6 times a year

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Posted - 06/05/2010 :  14:09:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just went through every boxscore for 2005/06, and throughout the regular season, Thornton had 0 assists on any of Marleau's even strength goals, and had 9 assists on the pp. He scored 34 goals that year, 20 on the pp, btw. Basically, even on the power play, they only played together half the time that year.

Marleau played with Sturm, Dimitrakos, Cheechoo at times, Michalek, Stevenson, McCauley, Langfeld, Bernier. But I don't think they even had him and Thornton together for a full game, from reading the boxscores, which is hilarious considering you pressing this point!

Marleau is awesome, and a fantastic centre who can clearly create all kinds of offense all on his own. Just admit it!

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Posted - 06/05/2010 :  14:30:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As I have said, I do not think he is a bad player. I was incorrect to think that he played with Thornton during the 05/06 season, so to that I do apologize. But do not tell me he does not look to shoot before he passes.

It is true, Marleau has a good shot. He does open up the offense, and he has a very good north-south game. Just not as a centerman. I watched some Sharks game when they were doubleheaders early in the year, and Marleau was quickly moved off to the wing. He flourished there. In the playoffs, I watched every single Sharks game. With Pavelski centering him, he was dynamite. But can he do it as a full time centerman, and really be that one-two punch with Kessel? Maybe, but I doubt it.

In fact, if Marleau had not had such a great season this year, we would be talking about how he must prove himself because he hasn't played up to par since that 2005/2006 season.

I would much rather a playmaker over Marleau, especially with the makeup of our current squad. I really do hope that the Leafs do not pick up Marleau. I really don't.

Edited by - leafsfan_101 on 06/05/2010 14:51:03
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Posted - 06/05/2010 :  19:40:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
pasty...dont under-estimate brian burke, i think any1 who can bring in a world class 24 year old player like phaneuf ( for stagen and hagman..lmao ) can obtain a dmmmm good player for kaberle. i think people are going to be surprised what burke will bring back for kaberle and maybe prospect package.
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Hey Beans, I agree with you, the only UFA's I want the oilers to sign would be Marleau or Kovy. They might be worth it if they could unload Horcoff somehow.

Volchenkov might be worth a look by the Oilers due to his defensive grit.

I would rather get Marleau- Oilers need good centers, then they could draft Hall as a winger, without having to think that they need Seguin as a centreman.
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Posted - 06/06/2010 :  07:15:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looking over this years crop of UFA's, well it's a rather underwhelming list. As a Rangers fan my #1 hope for the off-season is that they are able to get rid of the mistake that is the Wade Redden contact. He simply can't continue to eat up that much of the salary cap as a 3rd pairing defensemen. It would be nice to shed Chris Drury's contact as well, but while he's now just a 3rd line center, unlike Redden at least Drury still brings lots of tangibles to the table.

If they were able to make Redden go away (or Rozsival for that matter...though i do like Rozsival so hope he stays, even at $5 mil), then i would like to see Dan Hamhuis on the Rangers. However, not if he's looking for a big long term contract in excess of $6 million a season. If he was willing to sign something like a 4 year $20 million deal, than i'd be all for it.

Unless management feels Chad Johnson is ready to step in & play 15-20 games, then the Rangers need to sign a quality backup to take some of the pressure off of Henrik Lundqvist. Whether that means taking back Alex Auld, or signing someone like Johan Hedberg or Martin Biron. Lundqvist already eats a big chunk of the cap, so you don't want to spend too much on the one position, but all 3 of the above should be looking for deals in the $1 million range.

Offense is the biggest need for the Rangers. Sure i'd love to see Ilya Kovalchuk in a blueshirt, but they already have 1 star winger making big bucks in Marian Gaborik. Kovalchuk will likely be looking for a deal in the $9-10 million range if he decides to stay in the NHL, and that's simply too much. Same with Patrick Marleau, obviosly would love to have him on board, but not for the salary he'll be looking for. If he would sign for $4.5 to $5 million definitely, but that won't be the case.

I'd like to see them bring back Vinny Prospal. He's a very versatile player and had a solid first season in NY. He split the season playing both center & wing, and seemed to have decent chemistry with Gaborik. If he moveson though, i wouldn't mind them taking a chance on Gaborik old buddy, Pavol Demtira. At this stage in his career though anything over the $2-3 million range is too much.

As much as i like Dubinsky, the Rangers do need a true #1 centermen, but i don't see that happening through UFA. After Marleau, there is a huge drop off.
They have some good center prospects coming up, but they're all a few years away yet from making an impact.
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Posted - 06/06/2010 :  07:17:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Volchenkov...again i'd like to see him in NY, but not for the price/term he'll be demanding.

Paul Kariya is a guy i wouldn't mind them signing as long as it was a short term deal, but it'd have to be a big paycut from his last $6 million a season deal.

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Posted - 06/06/2010 :  07:53:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by The Duke

pasty...dont under-estimate brian burke, i think any1 who can bring in a world class 24 year old player like phaneuf ( for stagen and hagman..lmao ) can obtain a dmmmm good player for kaberle. i think people are going to be surprised what burke will bring back for kaberle and maybe prospect package.



oh a good puck moving d man is obligatory for any teams sucess which makes kabby extremly valuable but no where close to as valuable as a 25year old very close to being a top tier player in the league if he isn`t already espcially when kabby wouldn`t even be a top 3 on the flyers,, they already have a extremly tight and good defensive core,,, this trade will never happen!

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Posted - 06/06/2010 :  15:03:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'd welcome Kaberle to the Rangers with welcome arms...but the price will probably be fairly high. I don't want to see the Rangers trade away any young core roster players like Dubinsky, Callahan, Del Zotto, etc...or prospects like Kreider, Stephan, Grachev, etc.
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